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On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
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Can someone direct Crane to this thread so he can pull out before he gets fucked?
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On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real? Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
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On September 07 2012 10:04 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real? Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust. So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
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On September 07 2012 10:07 Blackfoger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 10:04 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real? Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust. So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL? We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
No you arent working with Dolby and you won't be announcing a sponsorship in 2 weeks. You said that exact same thing years ago. It was always "we will be announcing new sponsors in 2 weeks". You can't get big sponsors with a terrible reputation in blight and lack of results with your current roster. No company sponsors a team based on lies and old results from former teams.
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On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real? Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
I found that last part pretty funny considering your past dealings with the players you have screwed over.
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On September 07 2012 10:07 Blackfoger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 10:04 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real? Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust. So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL? We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
Who are you kidding, your own3d sponsorship came with v8 eSports and hinged on that LoL team. You screwed over that organization you tried to merge with last year, too. own3d may have given you partner status to receive some ad revenue, but no one streams enough for you to receive any money. You may not even receive that since the LoL team left due to your lack of morality.
I have no insight as to the Dolby sponsorship, but I can't see that being anything substantial as well. Even if it is, all they would have to do is read this thread along with all of the other articles to change their mind about their investment with someone who has such little business ethics.
PS: Looking for the r/leagueoflegends article on reddit which explains what happened with v8 eSports and their LoL team. Will post when I find it.
EDIT: To anyone wanting FURTHER proof of Blight being a blight, here is another article done by ESEA News describing an incident that left a fellow manager (TheWhiz) $1,500 USD in the hole bailing out Blackfoger's bad judgements. To this day, not one cent has been repaid (been a little over 2 years).
http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=8442
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http://blightgaming.com/2012/09/06/a-new-player-to-our-stellar-team/#.UElNZZb5PhA
Nice article.
“I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner
You decided to quote yourself in an article that you wrote yourself. A bold move. Also nice job spelling your own handle incorrectly. Very professional.
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On September 07 2012 10:31 TechNoTrance wrote:http://blightgaming.com/2012/09/06/a-new-player-to-our-stellar-team/#.UElNZZb5PhANice article. “I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner You decided to quote yourself in an article that you wrote yourself. A bold move. Also nice job spelling your own handle incorrectly. Very professional.
That quote is from blackoger not blackfoger so....:p
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On September 07 2012 10:31 TechNoTrance wrote:http://blightgaming.com/2012/09/06/a-new-player-to-our-stellar-team/#.UElNZZb5PhANice article. “I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner You decided to quote yourself in an article that you wrote yourself. A bold move. Also nice job spelling your own handle incorrectly. Very professional.
rofl, gotten so badly.
On September 07 2012 10:35 .kv wrote:That quote is from blackoger not blackfoger so....:p
AHAHAHAH
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On September 07 2012 10:07 Blackfoger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 10:04 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote:
they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing. No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence. We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past. I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them. Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon. Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names. I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real? Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust. So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL? We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
I'm honestly shocked this guy is still going on. Literally everyone knows the entire organization is horseshit and no one that knows anything about them (Sorry for Crane) will deal with them. Gus should work for these guys.
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Blackfoger - at this point you are going to have a hard time trying to get people to believe you, even if you slap an apology on. At this point there are far too many incidents involving you, and too many people claiming to be mislead, lied to and scammed. It's common knowledge you've been extremely shady, regardless if it was 100% your fault or not, you were involved and everything points back to you and your actions.
Here are some questions that will get you started into showing some real transparency:
1. Who is Blight Gaming
You seem to be only person operating Blight Gaming - your name is on everything, yet you keep referring to 'we'. You want to show transparency? Let us know all the non-players are working for the team - names/tags/positions. Who is in charge of what?
Also include names for the 'restructure' you refer to in your apology:
"We have added more Employee's ranging from EU managing director, Social media Marketer, Organizational Development Consultant, Talent Scouter, Content managers".
2. Where are your funds coming from
After spending nearly 70k out of pocket - where exactly did your money come from in the past, and where is it coming from now? Don't give a broad reponse!
3. Who is currently sponsoring Blight Gaming and to what extent
Name your sponsors and the depth of their commital to the team. Yes, we can understand some information can't be revealed regarding sponsor deals, but give us a good idea of what is happening here.
4. What is the entire extent of your player roster
Name all the players on the Blight roster & which game they are involved in. No walk-ins - actually playing under the Blight tag. Are these players getting paid?
5. How can you guarantee sincerity in the future?
Contracts are good and all, but we all know how flimsy gaming contracts can be. What are you going to do to guarantee teams & players that you will follow through with your promises in future. Will you pay upfront?
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If you can answer these questions with some truth instead of dodging, shifting blame, shrouding your answers, been vague - you might actually gain some ground with people.
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I tweeted crane... but i dont think he goes on twitter very often... tomorrow ill message his skype acc....
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On September 07 2012 11:16 essencesc2 wrote:
I tweeted crane... but i dont think he goes on twitter very often... tomorrow ill message his skype acc....
I don't think contacting his skype (unless you actually know him) is necessary. I'm pretty sure at least a few people already told him that the contract he signed is with some kid living in his moms basement and not an actual team and that the contract is in no way binding.
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Even if I didn't think blackfoger was being deceitful and untrustworthy, and instead thought he was being unjustly shunned, I probably wouldn't mind the abuse he's getting. His desperate clutching at straws is immensely entertaining. Keep at it, tiger.
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On September 07 2012 12:40 Archas wrote:Even if I didn't think blackfoger was being deceitful and untrustworthy, and instead thought he was being unjustly shunned, I probably wouldn't mind the abuse he's getting. His desperate clutching at straws is immensely entertaining. Keep at it, tiger.
yeah seriously, we need that guy back to do some more "explanations"
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Sometimes I wonder why evil is never allowed to die, but then I remember you and realize that evil won't allow itself to die.
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I will preface this post by saying I am new to the e-sports scene, and although the OP seems to have attracted a ton of hate and little support, evidence posted seems to indicate his guilt. That being stated:
This guy is like Kenneth Lay and the other goons from Enron: no one knows what he does or who he is. He gets his money from anonymous sources and his company generates revenue from a black box: as long as the money comes in, everyone's happy and no one questions it. The problem is, the money hasn't come in, seemingly on multiple occasions, and this guy's time is up. It's simply a gigantic Ponzi scheme. Except unlike, Lay, Madoff, and all of the others, he's not in prison after getting caught once. Actually, he's done it several times and is still on the loose.
In summary, no one knows who this clown is or where he makes his money. Anyone who does business with him is a fool, and should be properly warned before doing so. Crane should have no problem getting out of his "contract," as this knucklehead has no financial resources to recoup his imaginary investment.
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I'll be honest, I don't see much issue with using sponsorship income to pay down liabilities, new or old. Unless the prior entity files for bankruptcy, he must use retained earnings to pay them down, just like any other business. retained earnings generated by net profits that are generated by sponsorship revenue.
It should make no difference to the sponsor how the money is used, since (I assume) they pay that money for exposure and plugs that the team provides. Having just watched Djokovic beat Del Potro, I guess I would compare it to Chase (the US Open sponsor) dictating to the apt that their payment goes to one thing and not another. No... Chase pays for that sign on the wall, which they got. US Open can use that money on staff, promos, utilities, paying down liabilities, etc.
I'm not sure why everyone here seems to have a problem with that.
That being said, I'm still wondering what name this ficticious business is registered under. There sure isn't any Blight, LLC (the name he used) here in WA state (the state he claimed it was in). There is that company owned by Rich and Sue Larsen, but he is not a member of that LLC. I wonder what his contracts say?
I guess I would urge him to just fork over $250 to legalzoom, its not that hard to create a legit LLC. And that way, if he gets sued, liability does not go beyond the company. Shit, this is the first thing this guy should be doing. You definitely get the impression that he is not an adult and is going at this all alone.
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On September 07 2012 14:05 Brasi wrote:
I'll be honest, I don't see much issue with using sponsorship income to pay down liabilities, new or old. Unless the prior entity files for bankruptcy, he must use retained earnings to pay them down, just like any other business. retained earnings generated by net profits that are generated by sponsorship revenue.
It should make no difference to the sponsor how the money is used, since (I assume) they pay that money for exposure and plugs that the team provides. Having just watched Djokovic beat Del Potro, I guess I would compare it to Chase (the US Open sponsor) dictating to the apt that their payment goes to one thing and not another. No... Chase pays for that sign on the wall, which they got. US Open can use that money on staff, promos, utilities, paying down liabilities, etc.
I'm not sure why everyone here seems to have a problem with that.
That being said, I'm still wondering what name this ficticious business is registered under. There sure isn't any Blight, LLC (the name he used) here in WA state (the state he claimed it was in). There is that company owned by Rich and Sue Larsen, but he is not a member of that LLC. I wonder what his contracts say?
I guess I would urge him to just fork over $250 to legalzoom, its not that hard to create a legit LLC. And that way, if he gets sued, liability does not go beyond the company. Shit, this is the first thing this guy should be doing. You definitely get the impression that he is not an adult and is going at this all alone.
This is why there will always be a written agreement between all involved stakeholders when a business deal is made. You don't just hand over a check simply because you had a few phone conversations. It just doesn't work like that.
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