Instead of getting all irate because there are Christians in the world, and you have issues with that, so in your anxiety you can't deal with it without shitting on them on some online forum....For God's sake talk about the actual game show !
On August 28 2012 08:52 Polar_Nada wrote: I really like how the winner gives the money to a charity. This is an awesome way of helping society!
WHY IS NO ONE MENTIONING THIS!? This is HUGE. It completely re-defines the 'Game Show' metagame, because instead of winning the tourney to get the prize money, and blow it on selfish stuff like some gear, party, or a trip, every prize you win goes to small struggling charities!
You see the stupid ammounts of money thrown around on these shows, and how depraved and desperate people get to selfishly win (selfish as in 'for me, only'), o hai Survivor. You see how trashy those are? It preaches the values of greed, backstabbing, selfishness, [being a slag] and 'doing whatever it takes' just to gratify oneself's lust for money. But without that greed complex motivating things, the values the show teaches are completely different. Generosity and philanthropy.
Don't be blind. Like it or not, this is a Christian show, and the 'for-charity' basis has a lot to do with that. Say what you will, but think about that.
Celebrity invites on stuff like 'Who Wants to be a Millionare', where the winnings are auto-given to charity, are a small minority of the funds in the game-show market. This show, ALL the funds go. Not the same thing, and my point is, not the same focus.
On August 28 2012 17:55 Silidons wrote: are they going to leave out all the bad parts of the bible like they do in church or are they actually going to test peoples knowledge?
real question
Probably not. The first thing that I found puzzling was that a bible trivia show is weird because there's a lot of trivia in the bible that people don't /want/ to know. But it's just a casual family show for charity.
On August 28 2012 01:54 fishjie wrote: i'd love to go battle it out against christians
as an ex-christian its pretty clear that the vast majority of christians never read the bible, and those that do, become ex christians, so it'd be nice to compete against the nubs in the church.
Dissecting that last sentence "as an ex-christian its pretty clear that the vast majority of christians never read the bible." Curious, what authority does being an "ex-christian" give you in determining whether all Christians read the bible? Many people become Christians only after reading the bible. Most of the Christians in the world don't even speak your language. Can you really speak for them?
And then "those that do, become ex christians." What? Would Christianity really be one of the most popular religions in the world if everyone who read their book ceased being a Christian?
well, its really simple. having gone to multiple churches in my life, it was obvious that the vast majority of christians i talked to had never read the bible. they even admitted to it! their knowledge was limited to what they heard the preacher read on sunday. then there are the christians you hear and read about on the news who complain about the gruesome violence and sex on tv or literature. its painfully obvious they've never read the old testemant, which should be rated NC-17 for the incest, rape, genocide, and depravity it describes. then there are the christians you hear and read about on the news complaining about gay marriage and whining that marriage has been REDEFINED! also painfully obvious they've never read the old testemant where marriage was defined as polygamy. king david, the hero of the bible, had tons of concubines. solomon, the wisest guy in history, had even more. again, painfully obvious christians have never even bothered to read their own shit.
most people become christians because their parents were christians, not because they read the bible. the religion of your parents is a far more predictive indicator of what your own religion will be.
as for your last sentence, the reason christianity is one of the most popular religions in the world is specifically because the vast majority of the believers have never read it (that and because rome adopted it, followed up by a successful campaign of persecution of enemy religions in the middle ages and up to present day). duh? i mean would scientology be one of the most popular religions in the world is people actually knew the idiotic crap that scientologists believed? exaaaaaaaaactly. same deal.
The better thing to have said then is that "the vast majority of Christians I talked to have not read parts of the bible," if that's what you meant. That's different than "the vast majority of Christians have never read the bible."
It would be nice if just this once Teamliquid could have a thread mildly related to religion, not devolve into a religious debate. Keep that shit in r/atheism or pm's ok?
I think if done well this show could be interesting and fun to watch. And they definitely should invite non-Christians like Atheists or Muslims or Buddhists on as well. Would be awesome if they managed to do a celebrity episode too.
the problem in my opinion is religion is one of the big things, that is wrong with the world today. regardless of which religion. I mean, I don't care what you believe, or to which supernatural being or deity you pray and believe in, as long as you do it on in your home or church or whatever.
BUT FOR THE UNIVERSE'S SAKE (see what I did there?^^), please don't expose children to your "faith". Don't brainwash and scare kids into believing that stuff. They should be able to decide whether to believe or not and what when they are 18+
Kids watch this stuff and might actually join in your loss of reality. If this shows airs past 11pm, I don't care. As long a kids get brainwashed and indoctrinated, I will fight this shit with whatever energy I have left.
On August 28 2012 17:55 Silidons wrote: are they going to leave out all the bad parts of the bible like they do in church or are they actually going to test peoples knowledge?
real question
Probably not. The first thing that I found puzzling was that a bible trivia show is weird because there's a lot of trivia in the bible that people don't /want/ to know. But it's just a casual family show for charity.
It would be one heckuva show if they did include all the subtle trivias in the bible. Haman, the antagonist in the book of Esther, being a descendant of Agag, an Amalekite King that Saul fails to kill, for example.
On August 28 2012 17:55 Silidons wrote: are they going to leave out all the bad parts of the bible like they do in church or are they actually going to test peoples knowledge?
real question
Just a note churches offer "read the entire bible in a year" studies. I have been to one. Read it two more times. This bad stuff, people take it out of context and/or forget that history has much of the same.
I don't think they will say "what happened to Jacob's daughter? What did his sons do about this? What was the fate of the amalekites supposed to be?". Because answers would be rape genocide total ahnilation down to the animals. Worse, what was amalekites daily practice? Or other canaanite practice? As this would educate people about evils they don't even want to know about and wouldn't want to practice.
So they will probably only mention Assyria to say "where did Jonah go, and why did God make him angry there?"
Really, there is some very messed up stuff in the Bible. Just wanted to clarify that that does not make it false... Or make churches never mention it. Yes some won't ever but then some just won't shut up about fire and brimstone...
Meh. If you want to slay me I suck at debate so yes Christianity is ... Therefore according to it I am to be pitied.
lol @people even pondering that the show might include the bible's racy parts. For those outside the US, this show is hosted by Jeff Foxworthy, who is a MASSIVELY successful comedian from the south. His schtick is basically "I'm proud to be a redneck"/"look at all these crazy things us rednecks do." This show is for midwestern and southern evangelical christians. It's not even close to some super serious religious studies program. One of the bits on the show is "The word of the Lord or The Lord of the Rings" in which they read some text and the person has to guess whether it's from the bible or The Lord of the Rings. It's just gonna be silly little stuff like that, and then they get a human interest story to feel good about at the end about what charity the money went to. Not gonna be very interesting for non-Christians in my opinion.
On August 28 2012 17:55 Silidons wrote: are they going to leave out all the bad parts of the bible like they do in church or are they actually going to test peoples knowledge?
real question
Just a note churches offer "read the entire bible in a year" studies. I have been to one. Read it two more times. This bad stuff, people take it out of context and/or forget that history has much of the same.
they selectively take certain parts out of context, only the "good" parts are in context it seems...
but seeing as how this show is hosted by jeff foxworthy, who also hosted "are you smarter than a fifth grader", i think we can all see where this is going
BUT FOR THE UNIVERSE'S SAKE (see what I did there?^^), please don't expose children to your "faith". Don't brainwash and scare kids into believing that stuff. They should be able to decide whether to believe or not and what when they are 18+
Kids watch this stuff and might actually join in your loss of reality. If this shows airs past 11pm, I don't care. As long a kids get brainwashed and indoctrinated, I will fight this shit with whatever energy I have left.
When you believe something is right, and you live accordingly to that, it will show. Obvious. The problem is that no matter what opinion you hold, when you live in that and present that, people will have to interact with that opinion. Take the very topical example of "its ok to do absolutely everything, stupid, yucky, nasty stuff to get money."
We have a scumbag society, that says its neutral, its free, liberal, non-defining, and lets you think whatever you want to think. Its a scumbag society because that isn't actually the case. Lots of people are brought up with lots of TV. TV is not an evil thing in itself, I'm just using it as an example of a prominent source of popular media.
"The TV doesn't teach me what to believe and value, its just there for my entertainment". Nope. Its setting examples for moral values and expectations all over the place; game shows are quite guilty for the above one (even down to silly ones like Fear Factor). TV packages these messages as 'something you want' 'something you need' and 'something that is right and worth watching more of'. When kids are left in front of the TV, THEY ARE "brainwashed and indoctrinated" to accept those values, because the TV teaches them that they are OK. Except you seem to not want to acknowledge it, because the values the TV sprouts are likely also largely your own. They're so 'normal' people don't notice that they are being conformed to believing them.
Our generation had it much more than the last, and I'm quite concerned about the next generation, cause now they haven't only got the TV to rot their brains be their nannys, but they've got all sorts of shit THE INTERNET can offer. They are too young to discern what is good, right, worth seeking, and what is wrong, disgusting, damaging and potentially scarring. That is precisely why you have parents and parental guidance, because its the parent's responsibility to raise and guide their kids, to teach them how to tell between those two, to help them grow into wise, discerning adults.
There's no way you could keep a kid off the internet till he's 18+, and I believe the internet has lots of stuff that is so horrid NO ONE should see it. The kid's got to learn how to think for themselves, and to recognize when something is seriously wrong and screwed up, and that they should change the channel to not mess themselves up. But with more and more absent parents (TV = nanny) that sort of intensive parenting, and "leading/teaching them to walk in the ways of righteousness" is plummeting. The popular media, with TV as its historic main outlet (but now internet more and more) does the job of parenting instead. IT teaches them what is a good value, and what is wrong.
OK, there have been lots of 'Christians' with a track record of being too overbearing, and teaching/enforcing rules (legalism) rather than really growing people and developping them (relationship [with God]). You're scarred by that; it’s also a pretty big stereotype, but my experience in the US, sadly it is still a notable reality.
What I'm trying to demonstrate is that regardless, ([y]our) kids will be taught by someone. Don't be deluded, [y]our kids will be "brainwashed and indoctrinated" i.e. raised. Someone or something will teach them what to value, what to seek, what it is that gives satisfaction. The TV already does that indoctrination (into today’s culture) to lots of kids. What I'm saying is I refuse to leave it up to [insert moral authority, e.g. for me ‘Pop culture’] to teach my kids what's right and wrong, I won't let it pump my kids full of the crap it worships. This may sound like I’m on the precisely opposite, but parallel, side of the dichotomy. Scumbag you sound like the sort of person who would blanket insert a vague and ill-defined ‘religion’ into that space.
Hypothetically in the future when I must choose a TV show to watch with the kids, I will at least make sure to put on something that doesn’t shove misguided, foolish values down our throats. The point is, discern the values that it promotes and teaches, be it secular or not. You wouldn’t want a kids cartoon to have an episode about lying, and how its fun to lie (or steal, or be really greedy etc) and how that’s all OK. That would be teaching them bad stuff. If I had to pick a game show to watch as a family, I would pick one that teaches/supports/lives by ‘good stuff’ (not saying all TV teaches that, but the idea is 'chose which values to tolerate in your relaxation entertainment'). To me, setting the example of ‘giving the winnings away’ is setting (and teaching) a good example. I’m not some crazy fundyy who would go “OMG ‘Bible’, we’ve GOT to watch this” (actually, if it’s on mainstream TV, absolutely q: ) , but from what I’ve read and researched this show teaches good values.
It can still have benefit as far as the values it promotes, even if it is a ~Christian~ show. Ironically the liberals wouldn’t be nearly as frisked if it was on Buddhism or something. And also, please seriously consider if your allegations about the extent this show forces THA BIBLE OMG JESUS JESUS onto you. Its really not that bad, its a family comedy show for Pete’s sake.
I think that, if this encourages more people to read the bible, that'd be interesting to see how it raises the number of Atheists in the United States, since, statistically, atheists have obviously read a lot more of the Bible.
@Above: The sad fact is, whether your kid is truly raised by pop culture, etc, comes to factors behind your control. To be frank, as proved by Milgrim's experiments, most human beings are idiots. I.E: We're mostly dumbasses, our society only got this far on the backs of the intelligent ones and in spite of the majority of us.
This is why religion is so prominent and why the political landscape is getting more and more bad and corrupt and mainstream media is becoming more of a bitch. And it won't stop anytime soon, because human beings aren't going to be getting any smarter.
You either defer to authority (and therefore, respond to propaganda) or you're intelligent (the minority of people). And though raising can have a large impact on that, you can't stop propaganda raising kids, you can just hope that your kid is in the top 20%.
I watched the ep1 clip. It doesn´t look that bad. It´s focused on what´s in the books, not about christianity or faith. For example, one of the questions was "Is this quote from the Bible or the Lord of the RIngs". The show tests how much they know, and it´s about an interesting subject, even for someone who is not very religious.
It looks interesting and entertaining. A little bit on the corny side, but that is okay. I would watch it.
On the upside, I am going to assume there is no filthy language or questionable content in the show. I wouldn't mind watching this show with my family. Not only would they learn good morals and not have to listen to the majority of filth on TV, but they would see an entertaining gameshow.
EPT
It would be nice if just this once Teamliquid could have a thread mildly related to religion, not devolve into a religious debate. Keep that shit in r/atheism or pm's ok?
