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Fumanchu
Canada669 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:08 fishjie wrote: well, its really simple. having gone to multiple churches in my life, it was obvious that the vast majority of christians i talked to had never read the bible. they even admitted to it! their knowledge was limited to what they heard the preacher read on sunday. then there are the christians you hear and read about on the news who complain about the gruesome violence and sex on tv or literature. its painfully obvious they've never read the old testemant, which should be rated NC-17 for the incest, rape, genocide, and depravity it describes. then there are the christians you hear and read about on the news complaining about gay marriage and whining that marriage has been REDEFINED! also painfully obvious they've never read the old testemant where marriage was defined as polygamy. king david, the hero of the bible, had tons of concubines. solomon, the wisest guy in history, had even more. again, painfully obvious christians have never even bothered to read their own shit. most people become christians because their parents were christians, not because they read the bible. the religion of your parents is a far more predictive indicator of what your own religion will be. as for your last sentence, the reason christianity is one of the most popular religions in the world is specifically because the vast majority of the believers have never read it (that and because rome adopted it, followed up by a successful campaign of persecution of enemy religions in the middle ages and up to present day). duh? i mean would scientology be one of the most popular religions in the world is people actually knew the idiotic crap that scientologists believed? exaaaaaaaaactly. same deal. The better thing to have said then is that "the vast majority of Christians I talked to have not read parts of the bible," if that's what you meant. That's different than "the vast majority of Christians have never read the bible." | ||
nadafanboy42
Netherlands209 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:26 Sinensis wrote: The better thing to have said then is that "the vast majority of Christians I talked to have not read parts of the bible," if that's what you meant. That's different than "the vast majority of Christians have never read the bible." ![]() I think if done well this show could be interesting and fun to watch. And they definitely should invite non-Christians like Atheists or Muslims or Buddhists on as well. Would be awesome if they managed to do a celebrity episode too. | ||
zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
Mostly, it just seems like a waste of time. The bible is overrated, and not just by the people that believe it. But I guess a "Great Gatsby" quiz isn't as exciting. | ||
starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:37 nadafanboy42 wrote: I think if done well this show could be interesting and fun to watch. And they definitely should invite non-Christians like Atheists or Muslims or Buddhists on as well. Would be awesome if they managed to do a celebrity episode too. yeah, that would be really interesting. I think every American should at least take a crack at reading the Bible, given how important it is to their country. note that you don't have to agree with it, but at least so you have an idea of what you disagree with. | ||
fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:26 Sinensis wrote: The better thing to have said then is that "the vast majority of Christians I talked to have not read parts of the bible," if that's what you meant. That's different than "the vast majority of Christians have never read the bible." no the vast majority of christians have never read the bible, as i clearly pointed out with the examples of the outrage over "redefining marriage" and complaining about movies/books with over the top violence and sex. oh and might as well throw in example of all the people in the bible belt who seem to hate liberals and any type of welfare program to help the poor, apparently they never read acts where all the believers pooled their resources together and shared everything, and of course jesus himself was a homeless person (even saying "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head") who hung out with other homeless people as well as prostitutes and other dregs of society. | ||
FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian. George Washington, first pres, founding father God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event. Thomas Jefferson, 3rd pres, author of the Declaration of Independence, founding father The country has a rich Christian heritage. The individual practices of these men are not perfect; neither are Christians. George Washington knew that being Christ-like was a more noble calling than a Patriot fighting for his country. Thomas Jefferson knew that liberties written out to be protected in the Constitution had a divine source. So that's a little historical glimpse in the American aside. Not too many Americans read the Bible often or take it as a meaningful book on their lives. In that respect, this show will more likely be a trivia game for the watchers. Heck, it is the world #1 bestseller after all for quite some years ![]() Even a secular book might have a small following with that distinction | ||
soccerdude
United States54 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:23 Danglars wrote: George Washington, first pres, founding father Thomas Jefferson, 3rd pres, author of the Declaration of Independence, founding father The country has a rich Christian heritage. The individual practices of these men are not perfect; neither are Christians. George Washington knew that being Christ-like was a more noble calling than a Patriot fighting for his country. Thomas Jefferson knew that liberties written out to be protected in the Constitution had a divine source. So that's a little historical glimpse in the American aside. Not too many Americans read the Bible often or take it as a meaningful book on their lives. In that respect, this show will more likely be a trivia game for the watchers. Heck, it is the world #1 bestseller after all for quite some years ![]() Even a secular book might have a small following with that distinction I've never understood the argument of America being a Christian nation in anything but its demographic. Is going to prison for murder really indicative of being a Christian nation? I've never really seen anything about America that strikes me as distinctly Christian. I can't name one law that can reasonably be argued as being derived from the Bible. The people are undoubtedly Christian, but the country is surprisingly devoid of Christian influences. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:34 zalz wrote: I've never understood the argument of America being a Christian nation in anything but its demographic. Is going to prison for murder really indicative of being a Christian nation? I've never really seen anything about America that strikes me as distinctly Christian. I can't name one law that can reasonably be argued as being derived from the Bible. The people are undoubtedly Christian, but the country is surprisingly devoid of Christian influences. It's pretty clear you didn't read my final 2 sections. Let me repeat because it directly addresses what you has issue with (Christian nation) The country has a rich Christian heritage. The individual practices of these men are not perfect; neither are Christians. George Washington knew that being Christ-like was a more noble calling than a Patriot fighting for his country. Thomas Jefferson knew that liberties written out to be protected in the Constitution had a divine source. So that's a little historical glimpse in the American aside. Not too many Americans read the Bible often or take it as a meaningful book on their lives. In that respect, this show will more likely be a trivia game for the watchers. A rich history of founding on Biblical principles, a current secular society. The ways the founding fathers did and did not base their laws on the Bible and other sources is beyond the scope of a discussion on the TV show. The text of the Declaration of Independence, and quotes by the writers of the Constitution would be a starting point in your search of this. | ||
PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" again, pretty obvious most christians have not read the bible nor have they studied american history. then again, america has had a history of genocide and slavery, so in that way it is based on biblical principles. | ||
Brindled
United States508 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:53 Danglars wrote: A rich history of founding on Biblical principles, a current secular society. The ways the founding fathers did and did not base their laws on the Bible and other sources is beyond the scope of a discussion on the TV show. The text of the Declaration of Independence, and quotes by the writers of the Constitution would be a starting point in your search of this. Including the thought that America is not a Christian nation, but rather a Judeo-Christian nation. The Liberty Bell's (the artifact that was rung after the reading of the Declaration of Independence) inscription is not a verse from the Christian gospels, but rather from the Torah. The American 1st Amendment to our constitution, guarenteed freedom of religion, is not a Christian value. Christians want others to also be Christian, but the same is not for Jews. The mode of thought that everyone should be able to worship what they want without disturbance from others of different religions is a very Judaic one. | ||
Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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29 fps
United States5720 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:34 zalz wrote: I've never understood the argument of America being a Christian nation in anything but its demographic. well, that's kind of the point. does it really matter whether the laws are based on the Bible? America is made up of people, and quite a lot of them are Christian, so the religion has an important influence on the country, whether or not the founding fathers intended it. it's the whole reason we ended up with things like "in God we trust" and "one nation, under God" and why almost all the presidents are Christian (at least in name). | ||
Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2739 Posts
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