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On August 21 2012 23:10 ZXRP wrote:
There have been quite a few posts regarding the strength of the widow mine. Here is a suggestion that might make it both balanced and interesting.

When the mine attaches itself to a unit, it doesn't do the damage in one explosion but rather over time (starting right after the attachment), essentially exactly like irradiate in BW. This would do AOE damage to both friendly and enemy units (to make it more interesting and to address possible balance issues).

This would mean that, although you cannot avoid taking damage on the primary unit, you can't completely avoid taking damage on some of your other units either - if they are bunched up. This means that, even if the mine attaches itself to a ling, it will not be a total waste of money and supply for the terran player.

In addition, this will allow the zerg player to send "irradiated" units into the enemy force to get some payback.

As a final bonus, this would make the mine more noob friendly with regard to drops in the mineral line, as it would not kill all the workers seemingly without warning. You would the "units under attack" alert, and then have a few precious seconds to separate the workers out.

In conclusion, I believe this would address most, if not all, of the issues currently experienced and debated.

On August 21 2012 23:12 Snowbear wrote:


I really never read such a bad idea in my life, wow! The mine would be useless. The only thing the mine has to do atm is to act like the BW spidermine: explode and do splashdamage.

On August 21 2012 23:17 Deleuze wrote:


You shouldn't theorycraft on a game that's not yet in public Beta.

On August 21 2012 23:10 ZXRP wrote:
There have been quite a few posts regarding the strength of the widow mine. Here is a suggestion that might make it both balanced and interesting.

When the mine attaches itself to a unit, it doesn't do the damage in one explosion but rather over time (starting right after the attachment), essentially exactly like irradiate in BW. This would do AOE damage to both friendly and enemy units (to make it more interesting and to address possible balance issues).

This would mean that, although you cannot avoid taking damage on the primary unit, you can't completely avoid taking damage on some of your other units either - if they are bunched up. This means that, even if the mine attaches itself to a ling, it will not be a total waste of money and supply for the terran player.

In addition, this will allow the zerg player to send "irradiated" units into the enemy force to get some payback.

As a final bonus, this would make the mine more noob friendly with regard to drops in the mineral line, as it would not kill all the workers seemingly without warning. You would the "units under attack" alert, and then have a few precious seconds to separate the workers out.

In conclusion, I believe this would address most, if not all, of the issues currently experienced and debated.

On August 21 2012 23:12 Snowbear wrote:


I really never read such a bad idea in my life, wow! The mine would be useless. The only thing the mine has to do atm is to act like the BW spidermine: explode and do splashdamage.

On August 21 2012 23:25 ZXRP wrote:


Could you please elaborate as to why you disagree with my suggestion?

I think the mine would certainly be more useful than in the current build where, if you micro it away the targeted unit will be the only unit lost (or damaged). Dustin Browder mentioned specifically that part of what they are struggling with in balancing the mine is to make the cost and supply just right so that it will not be over- or underpowered.

If you were suggesting that the mine explode immediately upon attachment (or at least, with a very short time window), the fear is that, with the pathing and unlimited unit selection, a unit that costs 1 supply could do 200 AOE damage from a fairly large range. This feels extremely powerful and unforgiving.

I believe that my suggestion is a good middle ground.

On August 21 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:

the spider mine was recently changed so it does explode immmediately buit deals less AoE damage

On August 22 2012 04:31 monx wrote:
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On August 22 2012 04:34 LOLItsRyann wrote:


I did get a Starcraft 2 beta key. No joke.

in my opionion the mechanism of lowground pylons for highground warpins made the game much more interesting and dynamic as its very good for harras or some light aggression (maybe from multiple angles) that does not go through the front door.

On August 21 2012 01:55 Grumbels wrote:

you can do that with warp prisms too and having scattered pylons around is more interesting gameplay because it's more positional