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On August 03 2012 08:31 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
I'm a noob (but watch a hell of a lot of GSL) but I can't see why Diamond players opinions are worth that much? I thought they had their own backend stats engine pulling data for ALL the matches world wide.
Combine that with grandmaster / pro opinions as well as DEFINITELY some casters, who know what makes for a good game. but Diamond seems to be going bit low for opinions :/
Diamond isn't the only prerequisite, its simply the only one the OP put in bold. The main prerequisite stated was that they "...have an in-depth knowledge of all three races and current strategies for each." I feel like Diamond was only added as a very loose requirement to somewhat minimize the amount of applicants.
Personally, I think they should have stated Master instead. Not saying that's because Master's players have a better understanding of the game than everyone below them (hell, I bet I'd have a better understanding of matchups and metagame than a lot of Masters players), just because there's already going to be a ton of GM/Masters Random's applying, there's no need to extend that down to Diamond imo.
Also, its not like this position is Lead Balance Design or anything, I think they're just looking for a player who knows the MU's and meta inside and out and can contribute to their current discussion, perhaps even offering a different perspective.
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I think random players that are atleast HIGH diamond.
just to leave some room for those who float between... but i like the idea of it, like asking the community and all but i feel like only 2 types of dia players exsist. Inactive play some games here and there and stay.. or super duper try hard... tryhards have the imba personaility usually
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the other requirements are pretty legitimate. why are people qqing
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On August 03 2012 08:46 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:31 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
I'm a noob (but watch a hell of a lot of GSL) but I can't see why Diamond players opinions are worth that much? I thought they had their own backend stats engine pulling data for ALL the matches world wide.
Combine that with grandmaster / pro opinions as well as DEFINITELY some casters, who know what makes for a good game. but Diamond seems to be going bit low for opinions :/ Diamond isn't the only prerequisite, its simply the only one the OP put in bold. The main prerequisite stated was that they "...have an in-depth knowledge of all three races and current strategies for each." I feel like Diamond was only added as a very loose requirement to somewhat minimize the amount of applicants.
Really? The main prerequisite as far as I can see is being a talented game designer, with secondary emphasis being on knowledge of the game at this point int time.
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On August 03 2012 08:49 Kenpachi wrote:
the other requirements are pretty legitimate. why are people qqing
Because that's what this community loves to do. The title and content of the OP were incorrect and the only intention was to to provoke people to complain about Blizzard and argue about ladder position vs game knowledge.
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On August 03 2012 08:12 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:08 nkr wrote:On August 03 2012 08:03 superstartran wrote:On August 03 2012 07:41 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Lol? Some commentators, who have great knowledge about the recent trends in strategy (and understand why they are doing that and such), are not in diamond, let alone play random.
The diamond requirement may seem like a joke, but it's just a low limit. There should be many with exceptions. What if someone is really intelligent but is handicapped or such?
Anyways...
DAMN I WOULD LOVE TO WORK FOR SC2 SHIT FUCK LOL
too bad it's temporary This is such a massive joke. The only people who understand or know about recent trends are people like Artosis and Day9, both who would utterly clown 95% of the people on this board if they were to play SC2 full time. Both are quite capable players in their own right, just not as good as say a tier 1 pro from Korea. There are other commentators who do some research, but their level of understanding will never be on the same level as Artosis or Day9. If you look at sports, the vast majority of coaches are former players that played at a very high level. Why? Because the experience as a professional player is necessary in order to be a coach. Being on a balance team obviously would require a high level of skill; you're not working with game design. You're working on balance. Massive difference. I don't know about the US and A, but in europe, in many sports, the coaches were often average at best at their sport. The very best ones in football (Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger) have no player career to brag about. Being good at the game is not always a must to be able to understand and solve the game and have others play it out. Average? You understand that to even be a coach in most sports you have to play at the professional level, meaning you are not "average" by any stretch of the imagination? That or you have to work from amateur levels all the way up to professional in the coaching world, which is no small feat either. Look at tennis, the most international sport of them all. Very few coaches do not have professional experience; the only two that come to mind that are successful are Toni Nadal, and Richard Williams, both who are coaches mainly due to their emotional bond with their player, not because of their technical skills (their players don't need "coaching" they need emotional support more than anything).
Yeah and the position is some temp job. You would have a point if it was like "Head of Balancing" or some other such top position, but it's not.
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On August 03 2012 08:51 Horseballs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:46 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On August 03 2012 08:31 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
I'm a noob (but watch a hell of a lot of GSL) but I can't see why Diamond players opinions are worth that much? I thought they had their own backend stats engine pulling data for ALL the matches world wide.
Combine that with grandmaster / pro opinions as well as DEFINITELY some casters, who know what makes for a good game. but Diamond seems to be going bit low for opinions :/ Diamond isn't the only prerequisite, its simply the only one the OP put in bold. The main prerequisite stated was that they "...have an in-depth knowledge of all three races and current strategies for each." I feel like Diamond was only added as a very loose requirement to somewhat minimize the amount of applicants. Really? The main prerequisite as far as I can see is being a talented game designer, with secondary emphasis being on knowledge of the game at this point int time.
I was more referring to the game balance side of the position, rather than the position in its entirety. My fault for not clarifying.
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On August 03 2012 08:49 Kenpachi wrote:
the other requirements are pretty legitimate. why are people qqing
Because having dedicated balance guys ruins the game and takes focus away from game design itself.
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SC2 people can fiddle around with numbers for balance for weeks, months and years and that game may one day achieve balance.
But only changing numbers aren't going to fix SC2, they need a new lead designer to create interesting units and not gimmicky ones.
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On August 03 2012 08:54 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:49 Kenpachi wrote:
the other requirements are pretty legitimate. why are people qqing Because having dedicated balance guys ruins the game and takes focus away from game design itself.
Interesting point. As someone who doesn't know a lot about video game development, I don't know much about what happens behind the scenes. What would you consider as the best alternative considering both aspects you mention are equally as important.
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On August 03 2012 08:54 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:49 Kenpachi wrote:
the other requirements are pretty legitimate. why are people qqing Because having dedicated balance guys ruins the game and takes focus away from game design itself.
Try reading the OP... This isn't a dedicated balance design job at all.
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Maybe they're just trying to get an opinion from those players. You can't get one from the internet, with everyone trying to make their ego bigger saying they're masters or grandmasters. If you say you're diamond ranked on the internet, everyone just shuts you down. 80% of the people won't even read past your first sentence if you say you're not masters.
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Blizzard should design the game for the OP. That would be a sure fire way to ensure success.1 angry person is always more representative of a million players than a group of people who by definition are in the top 10% of the player base in terms of skill and dedication.
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*.* Mfw when I am at least high plat random! Time to hit the ladder and join Blizzard's balance team lol
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The ideal candidate will rank at the Diamond level or higher as a Random race player on today’s ladder, and will have an in-depth knowledge of all three races and current strategies for each.
-rank at the Diamond level or higher, have an in-depth knowledge of all three races
-Diamond level, in-depth knowledge of all three races
-Diamond, knowledge
Bahaha no but really, funny that they are willing to employ someone to assist with balance when there are dozens of pro's who would give their advice for free to help create a better game. I wonder what strange individual will apply for and score this job.
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On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?
There is a top 16 GM random player who lives in Irvine.
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On August 03 2012 06:27 steff wrote:
There are hundreds of pro gamers that have a incredible understand of the game and its balancing, might be a better idea to turn to some of them rather than a random diamond. Well you would logically think so...
Hundreds of progamers who would be so heavily subject to racial bias. "I have an opportunity here to give myself an easier time", they may be tempted to take that opportunity.
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This is easily one of the worst OPs I've ever seen.
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I'm willing to bet there are current members on the balance team that aren't Master's or GM.
And I'm sure there will be applicants with previous game design experience and in higher leagues so it's not like Blizzard is hiring some random 16 year old diamond player. Have any of you even applied for a job? Companies don't hire applicants that barely meet job requirements over more experienced people.
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Shouldn't they invest much of their time with HotS design?
Balance comes in and go but the core mechanics stays with you for eternity.
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