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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
May 24 2012 09:13 GMT
#281
The topic of this thread makes me sad. I'm not even sure there should be any reason for me to give my opinion on his personal finances and life so all I'll say is: ♥ Day[9]
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Cybren
Profile Joined February 2010
United States206 Posts
May 24 2012 09:13 GMT
#282
In all seriousness though, this thread, and these kinds of threads aren't really useful to anyone. Day[9] publicly states he doesn't read forums anymore, most especially threads about himself, but even if he did, there's nothing constructive here. The takeaway is "don't be a dick", which is a pretty universal message.

I mean, if you want to criticize day[9] for something of substance, I think that's legitimate. I consider myself a day[9] fan but I don't really watch the daily anymore because it seems to be less and less about strategy/breaking down games and more and more monobattles o_O
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mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
May 24 2012 09:16 GMT
#283
On May 24 2012 18:06 Cybren wrote:
Finding out Day[9] is a secret asshole has only endeared him to me


I think everyone is a secret asshole. Some just are slightly worse at hiding it (me). At least it makes for some interesting life developments...
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hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 09:21:13
May 24 2012 09:18 GMT
#284
On May 24 2012 17:34 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 17:23 Aberu wrote:
On May 24 2012 17:21 GreYMisT wrote:
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote:
Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.

I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.


Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?


Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.


Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.

I don't know if it is true that you are a psychologist, but if so you are giving us a bad name. You don't get to just throw analysis around and claim that is founded in any expertise. People are right to call yo out on stuff like that.

There are many things wrong with your "analysis" but I'll keep it simple.

You can't just claim someone pathological with the same ease as other would claim they were normal. The burden of evidence lies with you as you are the one making the extreme case.

You base a so-called legit analysis on impressions you got from show videos and second hand knowledge. Context, context..

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but don't come here and say that you have evidence or expertise. If you have, you certainly haven't put it to use in this case. You ridicule psychology.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 24 2012 09:23 GMT
#285
it would interest me as to how much sc2/BW the people complaining about day9 have seen, i would bet they have watched 5 dailys or something and thats it, while the people like myself who have watched every daily since #1 and every tournament he has casted since day 1 of his casting career and cheered him on at during his BW career as a player etc are defending him
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aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
May 24 2012 09:24 GMT
#286
I didn't quite get the point of the post... you say you don't know anything yet your prepared to defend a guy because you like his product. It's simple if you don't want to hear how your nike shoes are exploiting children in Asian sweat shops then put your fingers in your ears and go 'yayayayayaya' however it doesn't change the fact that it happens and the community has a right to know.

These people bringing this information to us own businesses too and are in a much better position than you'll ever be to provide an opinion of the behind the scene's view, you on the other hand admit you know nothing and don't want to hear anything like wtf get out the way and stop blocking the TV
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
May 24 2012 09:25 GMT
#287
On May 24 2012 18:02 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 17:55 dtz wrote:

Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities.

Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course
Day9,Artosis,Tasteless,Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.

And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.

People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.


Please link me to any casts of his that are anything like his current dailies. He casted Broodwar, he played Broodwar, he enjoyed it. He enjoys SC2 too. Nazgul, Artosis, etc all played the Broodwar because they enjoyed it. There's nothing wrong with it. I have no idea if they ever expected SC2 to be as big in the foreign scene as it is. I never once mentioned anything about Day9 anticipating people would start donating him money. What I'm saying is Day9 likely had monetary motivation with his Dailies.


Pshhh, wanting to make money from his passion. He's no different from all those scum bag doctors, engineers, actors and scientists! Phonies every last one!
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 24 2012 09:26 GMT
#288
On May 24 2012 18:18 hefty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 17:34 Cel.erity wrote:
On May 24 2012 17:23 Aberu wrote:
On May 24 2012 17:21 GreYMisT wrote:
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote:
Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.

I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.


Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?


Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.


Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.

I don't know if it is true that you are a psychologist, but if so you are giving us a bad name. You don't get to just throw analysis around and claim that is founded in any expertise. People are right to call yo out on stuff like that.

There are many things wrong with your "analysis" but I'll keep it simple.

You can't just claim someone pathological with the same ease as other would claim they were normal. The burden of evidence lies with you as you are the one making the extreme case.

You base a so-called legit analysis on impressions you got from show videos and second hand knowledge. Context, context..

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but don't come here and say that you have evidence or expertise. If you have, you certainly haven't put it to use in this case. You ridicule psychology.

If he's a psychologist I'm the king of the world. Though I suppose you could interpet his statement that he's been seeing a psychologist for 10 years (more in line with the quality of his posts) and that somehow makes him qualified...
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 09:29:25
May 24 2012 09:28 GMT
#289
I'm sure "Sean" the every day dude is/can be rough around the edges, and more human than he wants his "Day9" personality to be. Unfortunately, the gap between the two makes people wonder, but it's not the worst that could happen. The only thing I ever thought was a bit weird was him asking for donations. It's up to everyone how much they want to engage with his content, and only slightly unfortunate for those who can't avoid him when he casts major events.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 09:31:08
May 24 2012 09:29 GMT
#290
On May 24 2012 18:02 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 17:55 dtz wrote:

Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities.

Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course
Day9,Artosis,Tasteless,Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.

And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.

People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.


Please link me to any casts of his that are anything like his current dailies. He casted Broodwar, he played Broodwar, he enjoyed it. He enjoys SC2 too. Nazgul, Artosis, etc all played the Broodwar because they enjoyed it. There's nothing wrong with it. I have no idea if they ever expected SC2 to be as big in the foreign scene as it is. I never once mentioned anything about Day9 anticipating people would start donating him money. What I'm saying is Day9 likely had monetary motivation with his Dailies.

Eh, if he had monetary motivations he's done a horrible job at exploiting it... He's got ample of opportunity to use his fame and followers to get more money but have chose not to. Of course money is a factor but to say it's the motivator seems quite the opposite to the facts that we have.
On May 24 2012 18:28 RogerChillingworth wrote:
I'm sure "Sean" the every day dude is/can be rough around the edges, and more human than he wants his "Day9" personality to be. Unfortunately, the gap between the two makes people wonder, but it's not the worst that could happen. The only thing I ever thought was a bit weird was him asking for donations. It's up to everyone how much they want to engage with his content, and only slightly unfortunate for those who can't avoid him when he casts major events.

How is it weird to ask for donations? He's been doing sc2 full time + school. It's not exactly the most lucrative thing you can do.
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
May 24 2012 09:30 GMT
#291
There will always be people who, no matter what you do, always care about the money, yet you're the one who's greedy! ahahaha.

There will always be people who are jealous, they'll hate on you for everything and anything.

Two groups of idiots that clearly don't mean anything, probably why Day9 doesn't read the forums much.
"He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
May 24 2012 09:34 GMT
#292
Oh gee, a vocal part of the starcraft community is hating on someone who has done nothing but promote and help build the starcraft community into what it is today.

Absolutely standard.

What a fucking joke. We deserve to have this all burn down around us.
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
May 24 2012 09:34 GMT
#293
Hating on the hate is still hating.

Try to be positive.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 09:36:38
May 24 2012 09:36 GMT
#294
Just care about the game and stay on TL, and this will almost never be an issue. Usually the first time I hear about drama like this is with threads like this one.
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FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
May 24 2012 09:37 GMT
#295
On May 24 2012 18:13 Cybren wrote:
In all seriousness though, this thread, and these kinds of threads aren't really useful to anyone. Day[9] publicly states he doesn't read forums anymore, most especially threads about himself, but even if he did, there's nothing constructive here. The takeaway is "don't be a dick", which is a pretty universal message.


But it may also be an universal problem that celebrities (and rulers) often become and remain dicks because they are constantly surrounded by sucker-ups and therefore never hear that important message. I won't accuse Day9 of anything though because I don't know any specifics about what he has or hasn't done. People shouldn't be judged based on rumors. I do think that many people's adoration for him is weirdly over the top, but that's their problem rather than Day9's.
parduebob11
Profile Joined May 2012
Bahrain20 Posts
May 24 2012 09:40 GMT
#296
I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9.
About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell.
day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Zoesan
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 09:42:55
May 24 2012 09:42 GMT
#297
On May 24 2012 18:04 TAMinator wrote:
Personally, I dont like his casting style, it's extremely fake and sarcastic. (Day9 has said before that there's a "Sean" and a "Day9" persona)


Of course there is. Do you think any talk show host always behaves like that?

Hell, I behave differently around different people. When I'm trying to woo a girl, I'm sure as hell going to act differently then when I'm talking to my parents or dicking around with my friends. I can go from being the nerdiest goofball to mature in less then one second if necessary and everyone does this.

Thinking that a person is identical in a private setting and in a setting as public as streaming for thousands or ten thousands of people is dumb beyond belief.
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Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
May 24 2012 09:42 GMT
#298
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote:
I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9.
About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell.
day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.


Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
May 24 2012 09:43 GMT
#299
On May 24 2012 18:36 zatic wrote:
Just care about the game and stay on TL, and this will almost never be an issue. Usually the first time I hear about drama like this is with threads like this one.


we can hide spoilers on the mainpage, now we need a "hide drama" box <.<
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
May 24 2012 09:44 GMT
#300
It's really hard to hate someone you don't even know... But personaly I really do not like his casting, and I enjoy what his brother is doing far more. Day9 for me is too loud, seems to be egocentric (not saying he is so, but when he casts I have that feeling), he's not funny, and I do hate his squeak:p

BUT, at the end I'm sure he's good person, and for sure it's worth to have friend like that. Just please don't cast anything that I want to watch
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