EPTO>o all this drama is so blown out of proportion.
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
O>o all this drama is so blown out of proportion. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6190 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:45 Orracle wrote: Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money. http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-1-flash-vs-hero-3515432 that's his first daily. Of course the dailies in BW aren't like the ones in sc2 he just started doing them and made changes and improvements along the way which is perfectly logical. But yea he does do it for the money but you don't know what he wants to do with that money. It's like saying someone who earns 100k$ a year and gives 60k away blatantly cares about money. Or on the other hand he might be someone who makes 100k$ and only spends 10k$ of it back in e-sports and he does do it for the money but like I already said we don't know that. | ||
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zawk9
United States427 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:30 Vimsey wrote: Well they are not just two random guys, they work for ESL as casters for other games the same as Rotterdam does for SC2, ESL being the people behind the event who have paid to fly Day9 over there. Joe is also friend of 2GD and has cast with him on many occasions so that may explain a few things. Okay they both are employed by the same organization for the event. Does the fact that their coworkers change that its rude to walk up demanding an interview when the guy is busy? My point stands. If an event organizer who is employing me as a caster walks up to me with a camera i might be a bit annoyed but i would put down the game I was playing to talk to them about the event I have come to cast. A lot of people seem to turn up to IEM events not knowing who is who in Europe, something Carmac likes to use at their expense a lot. I think it depends on the specifics. Putting down everything immediately to talk about my job performance at the tournament, my schedule for the dat, etc? Ok. If its for a to-be-public interview or shout out session I never agreed to? I'd still want five-ten minutes to finish what I was doing and a chance to put my computer down. Maybe theres something there maybe there isnt but I would rather people like Idra and 2GD say it to my face and and they will. Also we can all be rude sometimes during a tiring day while working I know I am grumpy as hell sometimes. I never said any criticism at all was off base(maybe theirs merit to what Idra, JP, and 2GD say etc.)- I specifically said that the specific claim that he was a complete primadonna based on that video did not follow at all. I stand by that he handled it pretty gracefully all things considered. Does that mean he's a saint or that theres not legitimate criticism that can be hurled in his direction? No, but if theirs going to be said criticism it should be good as opposed to a hack job like using that video to try to show anything. ..and of course we can all be rude lol | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:52 Orracle wrote: PLEASE quote where I said no one would do the same. I specifically stated, ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE, would do the same. I'm not arguing a thing about if he's a good or bad person, I'm arguing about how people could be silly enough to think there is no monetary motivation behind his dailies. The bolded part of Xeris point was to show that money is not the motivator for him going to events cast, even if he gets paid to do so it is a bonus. I am arguing that it is silly to think that there IS monetary motivation behind his dailies. I even went so far as to call it a "pipe dream". I could have been extremely rude and just said "Really? Are you fucking high?" 3 years ago streaming was NOT a big thing. Monetizing esports content had NOT been figured out. To think that he started the daily because of monetary motivation is beyond silly. It's backward and stunted thinking. It's fucking retarded. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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Shaddar
675 Posts
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sharky246
1197 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
We have too figure out if Day9 ever said Gook or Nigger in his life, so we can bring him to justice. | ||
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:55 dtz wrote: Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities. Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course Day9,Artosis,Tasteless,Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free. And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't. People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene. Please link me to any casts of his that are anything like his current dailies. He casted Broodwar, he played Broodwar, he enjoyed it. He enjoys SC2 too. Nazgul, Artosis, etc all played the Broodwar because they enjoyed it. There's nothing wrong with it. I have no idea if they ever expected SC2 to be as big in the foreign scene as it is. I never once mentioned anything about Day9 anticipating people would start donating him money. What I'm saying is Day9 likely had monetary motivation with his Dailies. | ||
algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
Legit well written threads on aspects of the game get shut down because of apparent balance discussion (what's wrong with discussing balance?). But threads where a contributor to the community is repeatedly attacked and slandered for things they may or may not have done (things that are not even immoral let alone illegal) are allowed to multiply posts to the thousands. Who benefits from the hate threads on TL? Only people get hurt. Shut it down mods. Day9: You rock dude. Keep it rocking on! | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
However, regarding Sean's apparent behaviour at events, I'd cut him some (a lot of) slack. The truth is, fans are annoying as hell, and fans who line up or follow people around to take pictures and autographs are the worst. Seriously, that has to be the cheapest, most primitive, and ugly form of expressing "fandom" that it made me cringe every time I've seen it. You guys are so obsessed about turning players and casters into some sort of media superstars. Is it so surprising that some of them have finally started acting the part? There's nothing wrong with Sean. He just adapted to the inevitable shift from the "best community in the world" environment to the environment where he's the brand, and you are the consumers. Have fun. On May 24 2012 18:02 algorithm0r wrote: But threads where a contributor to the community is repeatedly attacked and slandered for things they may or may not have done (things that are not even immoral let alone illegal) are allowed to multiply posts to the thousands. The term "contributor to the community" used to refer to people who didn't do it for money. The term is for the most part outdated today (even though there are a few volunteers that still do an amazing job). | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
How much he makes is irrelevant, he can make as much money as he wants as long as they were legally earned. In terms of his skill in SC2, not really important, casters dont need to be good as long as they understand theories and are coherent. I dont know him personally so i can't talk in terms of IRL, but from what i've read, most social encounters seem positive, whether he puts a different front or not, can be your own judgement. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Are some actually that bored of the game that they put so much focus on everything around it? Acting like casters are some kind of big shots to be questioned at their every move. The so called spotlight is you who blow shit so much out of proportion till you yourself believe it to be true. No matter the money behind it. Sean is still the guy in his living room talking about a game. No matter what Tastosis wear they are still nerds casting a game. This all could be over in a matter of years, why don't you all enjoy it for what it is and just stay away from the stuff that doesn't appeal to you. I see no one hating on Desperate Housewives because he hates the show. Because it's a lost cost. No one gains anything from it. Why so narrow minded? What good does it do to you? Take a step away from it because your hate seriously needs to stop. This should be about the game and the players playing it. If Sean would stop today I couldn't care less. Just like Boxer when he stopped BW. Yes he's iconic but that shouldn't be the god damn reason you stick to Starcraft. If you're here for the drama train just pack your stuff and piss off and let the community be. | ||
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Shaddar
675 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:00 Jakkerr wrote: You guys are all missing the point of this thread... We have too figure out if Day9 ever said Gook or Nigger in his life, so we can bring him to justice. Im pretty sure he's a racist, I don't remember him ever having an African American SC2 player on or even a featured game of them on his dailies. | ||
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Cybren
United States206 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:04 Shaddar wrote: Im pretty sure he's a racist, I don't remember him ever having an African American SC2 player on or even a featured game of them on his dailies. indeed... wtf man we are on to something here | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
Just ask yourself one question. Is having Day[9] in the SC2 scene a good thing? If you answer this question with no, then there is something seriously wrong with you. He gives us loads of content, tournaments, and brings new people to the scene, and at this point he is possibly even bringing new companies and sponsors into the scene, and for most of us he is a positive person to watch, regardless of how much of it is an act. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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MrMcIntosh
Australia91 Posts
Now I'm not defending what Day[9] did, but I think it is selfish and uninformed to suggest that it was a personal insult. I think that Richard Lewis is majorly overreacting to the situation and not taking the right steps to solve it. Contacting him directly and resolving the issue is more efficient than whining about it on some shitty forum. He claims he can resolve issues civilly - Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. I think this rant classifies as being rude. | ||
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:56 RvB wrote: http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-1-flash-vs-hero-3515432 that's his first daily. Of course the dailies in BW aren't like the ones in sc2 he just started doing them and made changes and improvements along the way which is perfectly logical. But yea he does do it for the money but you don't know what he wants to do with that money. It's like saying someone who earns 100k$ a year and gives 60k away blatantly cares about money. Or on the other hand he might be someone who makes 100k$ and only spends 10k$ of it back in e-sports and he does do it for the money but like I already said we don't know that. That's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm sure he enjoys the game. I'm sure he enjoys casting, doing dailies, etc, but I can guarantee if the foreign scene was stagnate, he wouldn't be doing what he is right now. There's money involved that's keeping him this active with the community. It's fine with me. Just to claim there isn't a monetary motivation is silly. | ||
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