On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
AHAHAHAHAHA
You are the one making the claim that he is a narcissist due to your armchair psych evaluation. When there is no evidence, the default position is NOT narcissism/greed/ulterior motives. Do you know how evidence works?
Guess what guys, You say you have ten years of psychology experience but I think you are actually a bear from outer space based on absolutely no evidence and 10 years of space experience and both of our opinions hold equal weight!
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You having no direct evidence other than from watching his videos where he is acting and putting on a show. Me having actually met him. Anecdotal yes, but is yours anywhere close to that? Since it's obvious you aren't qualified to analyze him psychologically since he's not on your couch, mind humbly putting a cork in it?
Thought it was pretty obvious that he's fake when broadcasting... but why does that even matter? Most, if not all, broadcasters are much different on air vs in person (TV, radio, etc. etc.)
You guys are the sore of humanity. Giving other people shit cause they make too much money or they give you the best impression when your go up to them like a fuckin fangirl to get your breasts signed at EVERY DAMN competition.
And pro players turning against him huh? What a bunch of assholes... Jealous cunts, Go fucking win something instead of hating on people or giving us your bullshit opinion on things.
Day 9 is a pillar of the scene. Id be damn proud of myself for that if I was in his shoes. And now we have the pseudo psychologists giving us their bullshit analysis.
As they say, haters gotta hate, but for god's sake guys try to use your brain for for a change, or please get your genes out of the gene pool, darwin says thanks.
EDIT: edited out any direct accusation. The few phrases on that show werent enought to really start opening fire like that...
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
As I said, I personally don't know if he ever planned on making this much. I can almost guarantee you if Starcraft 2's foreign scene was anything like BW, he wouldn't be doing his dailies for the community. He cares about the money. Is he making profit from casting, dailies, subscriptions, etc? Absolutely. If he didn't care about the money, he could dump every penny of profit back into tournaments, etc. I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
Yeah, he totally cares about the money. /sarcasm
I don't think he ever planned on making any money from the daily. It was only after many many many fans BEGGED him to let them donate that he made the option.
Ehhh people are just finding something to hate again now it's been relatively quiet. Not surprised a lot of this is coming from Reddit. I'm glad that most people in this thread that are calling bullshit on this.
I don't want to be the one to bring up post count but it's pretty obvious that some of the people who think Day9 is fake are not even aware of what he was like years and years ago.. he didn't just pop up in the scene when SC2 came out and got popular.
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
On May 24 2012 17:41 SeaSwift wrote: I reckon that Idra is right. Day[9] is probably a pretty nice guy IRL - I've never seen footage of him acting like a douche - but his financial situation and the whole donating thing seems a bit shady. Not enough to warrant criticisms of his psychological state (seriously guys?) but enough to warrant a little bit of scrutiny.
Starcraft fans, Know that this day, we have uncovered the Day[9] Cocaine trafficking enterprise
yeah srsly i was wondering this too. Unless day9 is smuggling in immigrant workers, or doing some miscellaneous illegal shit,(which I seriously doubt) what right do we have to snoop into what he does with this money?
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
maybe he was making an important update to the tournament FB page? or to some other tournament? (ahgl?) or had to sort out an issue with a recent daily vod?
Facebook chat CAN be used for important things too.
or having a convo with someone about something important to do with the tournament or something personally important?
or he had to start casting in 5 mins and only just got to sit down and wanted some personal non sc2 time before casting for 10 hours.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You would know then that a key component of science is that the burden of proof relies on the claiment to prove what he is saying is correct, not on the other person to prove it is wrong.
I do agree though, This thread may as well not exist
Yes, the burden of proof is on everyone who claims they know anything about Day9 one way or the other. However, nobody here is qualified to give that kind of proof, because nobody here knows him. Therefore, why should my assessment of his personality be any more scrutinized than that of someone like you who comes in with one-liners supporting him? It's a thread, in a forum, full of opinions, and I gave mine based on more evidence than the majority of posters here.
Then I have to ask, why assess him at all? Your post would only serve to destabilize the thread and is based, as you just admitted, on evidence based solely of your own experience, and not of his. As you know with your psychology experience, dissorders manifest, and effect others in different ways, and one person's accedotal evidence cannot be used as evidence to attribute to anyone other than themselves
Anyway, i'll stop. I have said all that I'd really like to on this subject.
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
Guess what? EVERYBODY cares about money. At least in the way you describe it. A man's gotta eat, right?
There was never monetary motivation in the beginning. It was his hobby that he was doing while going to college. He then discovered that his fans were rabid enough to donate to him. He still probably doesn't make tons of money off of a FREE show that costs tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
I don't think he ever planned on making any money from the daily. It was only after many many many fans BEGGED him to let them donate that he made the option.
I have no idea about the context of the situation you bolded. Did he get paid for it? Did he know there was going to be pay? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, case and point right there. I'm sure he loves what he does, but with the fame he currently has, I'm sure you wouldn't see him flying out to the next MLG out of his on pocket to cast for free.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
maybe he was making an important update to the tournament FB page? or to some other tournament? (ahgl?) or had to sort out an issue with a recent daily vod?
Facebook chat CAN be used for important things too.
or having a convo with someone about something important to do with the tournament or something personally important?
or he had to start casting in 5 mins and only just got to sit down and wanted some personal non sc2 time before casting for 10 hours.
Honestly, I don't care what Day9 was doing, it's his downtime. They should have asked, but instead they were rude, and that's all there is to it. Day9 politely declined, and they continued shoving shit in his face.
Guess what? EVERYBODY cares about money. At least in the way you describe it. A man's gotta eat, right?
There was never monetary motivation in the beginning. It was his hobby that he was doing while going to college. He then discovered that his fans were rabid enough to donate to him. He still probably doesn't make tons of money off of a FREE show that costs tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
PLEASE quote where I said no one would do the same. I specifically stated, ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE, would do the same. I'm not arguing a thing about if he's a good or bad person, I'm arguing about how people could be silly enough to think there is no monetary motivation behind his dailies.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You would know then that a key component of science is that the burden of proof relies on the claiment to prove what he is saying is correct, not on the other person to prove it is wrong.
I do agree though, This thread may as well not exist
Yes, the burden of proof is on everyone who claims they know anything about Day9 one way or the other. However, nobody here is qualified to give that kind of proof, because nobody here knows him. Therefore, why should my assessment of his personality be any more scrutinized than that of someone like you who comes in with one-liners supporting him? It's a thread, in a forum, full of opinions, and I gave mine based on more evidence than the majority of posters here.
In science, as in real life, the proper course of action is to withhold judgement.
Speaking of which, it's not like we have 0 information regarding his personality. He has done a lot of things for the community, and has done a lot of things in the past with brood war.
This is at least weak bayesian evidence for him being a nice guy who is not just trying to make a quick buck (there are easier ways, guys).
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
As I said, I personally don't know if he ever planned on making this much. I can almost guarantee you if Starcraft 2's foreign scene was anything like BW, he wouldn't be doing his dailies for the community. He cares about the money. Is he making profit from casting, dailies, subscriptions, etc? Absolutely. If he didn't care about the money, he could dump every penny of profit back into tournaments, etc. I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities. It was different from sc2 dailies because it was high level analysis intended for long time foreign bw audiences which already have some understanding of the game and progaming. SC2 BW are more for casuals, people new to RTS , new to Starcraft , new to Professional Gaming.
Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course Day9, Artosis, Tasteless, Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.
And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.
People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.
Day9s a business man. I dont doubt that he loves this game and eSports in general, but ya he does a lot of things to keep doing what he's doing. Ya he puts on the jolly front and all that; more power to him. A small trade off for making a living doing what you love. Day9 knows his shit, and he gets paid to talk about it. So what is there to talk about here?
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
Err go back and watch the BW Daily's. They were't simply "casting" in any way shape or form. He talks a lot about strategy, etc.
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