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Taug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
May 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#1901
This is what i'm goin to tell my friend, 'yo remember that idiot Destiny?, he said some racist shit after getting raped in a sc2 game and he got kicked out of Quantic, AHAHAHAHA'
The Golden Rule
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
May 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#1902
The question imho is:
Why did Razer step in?
I only see two possibilities:
a) they agree with the "white-knights" and think it's not proper behaviour for their players to shout racist insults
b) a ton of people complained - so to protect their interests (sell products) they cut him lose

If it's a), well looks like the "white-knights" are actually right (of course you're free to send your explanation why Destiny can say what he wants to Razer and convince them of your opinion).
If it's b), it basically shows that not enough defenders & fans of Destiny did tell Razer how awesome they are for sponsoring him prior to the incident. So to prevent something like "white-knights" ruining a player/team - go ahead and mail every sponsor of your favourite player/team right now. And repeat this every 1-3 months. Because if it's b) it's just simple math for Razer "More complainers than supporters - lets kick him".
ClydeFrogSC2
Profile Joined December 2011
United States29 Posts
May 04 2012 19:48 GMT
#1903
On May 05 2012 04:24 Silvertine wrote:

I appreciate your response.



We can disagree.....but be friends? :D


I think we're breaking the internet.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#1904
On May 05 2012 04:46 Zocat wrote:
The question imho is:
Why did Razer step in?
I only see two possibilities:
a) they agree with the "white-knights" and think it's not proper behaviour for their players to shout racist insults
b) a ton of people complained - so to protect their interests (sell products) they cut him lose

If it's a), well looks like the "white-knights" are actually right (of course you're free to send your explanation why Destiny can say what he wants to Razer and convince them of your opinion).
If it's b), it basically shows that not enough defenders & fans of Destiny did tell Razer how awesome they are for sponsoring him prior to the incident. So to prevent something like "white-knights" ruining a player/team - go ahead and mail every sponsor of your favourite player/team right now. And repeat this every 1-3 months. Because if it's b) it's just simple math for Razer "More complainers than supporters - lets kick him".

razer stepped in? what did they do?
Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
May 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#1905
On May 05 2012 04:46 Zocat wrote:
The question imho is:
Why did Razer step in?
I only see two possibilities:
a) they agree with the "white-knights" and think it's not proper behaviour for their players to shout racist insults
b) a ton of people complained - so to protect their interests (sell products) they cut him lose

If it's a), well looks like the "white-knights" are actually right (of course you're free to send your explanation why Destiny can say what he wants to Razer and convince them of your opinion).
If it's b), it basically shows that not enough defenders & fans of Destiny did tell Razer how awesome they are for sponsoring him prior to the incident. So to prevent something like "white-knights" ruining a player/team - go ahead and mail every sponsor of your favourite player/team right now. And repeat this every 1-3 months. Because if it's b) it's just simple math for Razer "More complainers than supporters - lets kick him".


Any reasonable person would agree that it is completely improper behavior for professional players to shout racist insults.. The question is if Destiny should have been fired for it. Personally I don't really mind that he was since he was warned about it previously and this isn't the first case of racism controversy that surrounds him.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 04 2012 19:50 GMT
#1906
Destiny wants to make a stand and that's what he did. Orb apologized and AFAIK he's back in the casting business, albeit short that one gig with EG. Destiny didn't want to apologize, didn't want to change, and that's what caused him to be dropped from the team.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
May 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#1907
On May 05 2012 04:43 Chocobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 04:33 BlueLanterna wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:31 ClydeFrogSC2 wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:28 Black knight wrote:
Get Idra fired. He called both July and Ensnare faggots, amongst everyone on his stream, and constantly calls people retards, even in live showmatches.

Get Huk fired. He tweeted "nigga".

Get Incontrol fired. He ridiculed a porn star about her profession to the point of tears on the most prestigious public sc2 podcast.

Go ahead, white knights. Do your fucking jobs.


LOL.
I agree with your sarcasm, but the people who flip out have a point, even if it is a bit over the top. They just wanna see e-sports legitimized, not relegated to internet sub-culture like some people in the fighting community are trying to keep it.


This is what I don't understand at all, guys. Does it really validate you to be able to use language like "Rape that fucking bitch!" or "Taking dumb nigger risks"?

I never use that language that don't approve of it when anyone else says it. But something I'm very much in favor of is for people to be allowed to use that language if they want to, without fear of losing their employment because of someone running to their employer and making threats.

Everyone seems to be focusing on Destiny's actions, what he should and shouldn't be able to do without repercussions, what is and isn't OK for someone of his standing. Well, I think people should be considering what is and isn't appropriate for the "I'm offended!" group to be doing.

If you're offended by something or you don't like something, don't watch it. How difficult is that?

Why is there any need to do something more? Why can't you leave Destiny and his stream alone, why is there a need to get revenge on him?

How is it the right thing to do, to run to someone's employer and stir up shit and try to get him fired?


Why do people need to talk about their displeasure of someone high-profile in a community they're a part of using such ignorant and hateful language, even in jest? Leave Destiny and his stream alone? People aren't going to do that when he was signed by a professional e-sports team, which lends support to his viewpoints, which SURPRISE SURPRISE, people are going to be offended by. Do you really expect people to keep quiet when they see something outright offensive on TV? That they hear on the radio? You're being completely unrealistic in your expectations of what people should put up with.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
May 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#1908
I'll post the same thing I posted in the blog talking about this:

Context is king; there is a big difference between using a word, and actually meaning to be defamatory or derogatory with it. I've seen it here more than any other online community I've been part of, and that's this idea that people are somehow morally superior because they whine about the use of a word.

I've never seen so many thin-skinned people that aren't even part of the group/ethnicity/etc... being "insulted." They just like to announce their upstanding ethical nature to pump themselves up, and to protect something that they aren't even part of. Like many people have expressed on this website, even if my group/ethnicity was to be used in a negative way, it won't bother me cause I'm bigger than that.

Whether you want to believe they meant what they said or not, choosing to be offended doesn't accomplish anything other than showcasing your mental weakness. The thing we used to all be taught as kids (sticks and stones) seems to have evaporated in this online realm and that worries me. Are we breeding a psychologically weak generation bent on complaining their way to things?

And sure, TL can run their website however they want, but if there isn't consistency, you can bet people will be all over that. If TL is projecting itself to be a certain place where rules and actions are upheld, and they only follow through some of the time, it breaks down this notion that they are operating in a certain way. It also reeks of favortism and an individual attack on the very person that they dish punishment out to.
Skype: divito7
R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
May 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#1909
On May 05 2012 04:44 Deathmanbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 04:29 BlueLanterna wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:28 Black knight wrote:
Get Idra fired. He called both July and Ensnare faggots, amongst everyone on his stream, and constantly calls people retards, even in live showmatches.

Get Huk fired. He tweeted "nigga".

Get Incontrol fired. He ridiculed a porn star about her profession to the point of tears on the most prestigious public sc2 podcast.

Go ahead, white knights. Do your fucking jobs.


Yeah all of these are the same situation as Destiny's. You should have made your first post in the UFO thread or something, you obviously have no comprehension of relevancy.


the point is all these people said something very offensive just as destiny did. Not one of them has ever been witch hunted for it because they are the heros of the scene. Its 100% BS, the ONLY reason destiny was attacked the way he was is because people dont like him as much as they like huk or idra. Ive seen idra call people faggot all the damn time on stream and he has NEVER gotten in trouble from the community, nobody has gone and started a witch hunt to contact EGs sponsors over it. If TL is going to be some giant white night protecting the world from bad language then they need to take down their heros as well as their villains... have a stranded and stick to it


that being said i dont think any of those people should have anything done to them just like i feel destiny should of been left alone, but if TL is going to stand on some damn high ground they better not let anyone get away with it.


There's a difference between making a mistake and acting a certain way every time you stream and then trying to defend it. I've never seen Idra make a post about how everyone else is wrong and how people shouldn't be offended. Furthermore, in a relaxed setting, no other players acts that way. It's either in fun or in a fit of anger whereas Destiny acts this way all the time.
dmasterding
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States205 Posts
May 04 2012 19:52 GMT
#1910
On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them.


That's a terrible analogy :/
Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak).
No tears now, only dreams.
ClydeFrogSC2
Profile Joined December 2011
United States29 Posts
May 04 2012 19:53 GMT
#1911
On May 05 2012 04:49 Sithelin123 wrote:


Any reasonable person would agree that it is completely improper behavior for professional players to shout racist insults.. The question is if Destiny should have been fired for it. Personally I don't really mind that he was since he was warned about it previously and this isn't the first case of racism controversy that surrounds him.


I think that's the exact question that we should be asking us. No body is debating whether this language is offensive or not. Of course it is. Just the extent in which people go, at least in my opinion, can be a bit too far. Maybe they don't feel that if they just voice their opinion on these boards that they will be heard? Who's to say, but going to the sponsor for sure is a bit much.
FoeHamr
Profile Joined December 2010
United States489 Posts
May 04 2012 19:53 GMT
#1912
Well I guess that sucks for Destiny but it seemed like he left them and doesn't really care. Wish the E-SPORTS freaks would just chill but whatever.
I got 99 problems and a Terran ain't one
Stubentiger
Profile Joined January 2012
48 Posts
May 04 2012 19:53 GMT
#1913
After looking at the screenshot it looks like a normal 'Destiny' ragequit.

Normally he calls them 'stupid autists' or somethingh similar, which might not be nice to 'challenged' people.

So let us agree he is a 'dick'?. a mediocre player, but outspoken and entertaining.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
May 04 2012 19:53 GMT
#1914
On May 05 2012 04:40 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 04:34 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:11 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:08 BlueLanterna wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:05 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:02 Mordiford wrote:
On May 05 2012 03:54 Tyrant0 wrote:
People who actually judge what computer accessories they buy based on whether or not that brand sponsors a player who has said a racial slur are amazing. I guess that mouse just spontaneously falls apart the instant Destiny says the N word. Or, they'll start watermarking the entire box with the N word and refuse to sell it to black people.

Lynch mob 2012, coming to a sponsor near you.


A lot of people choose not to support companies that take certain stances on issues. In a market where there is a lot of comparable competition, supporting the organizations that your consumers support can be the deciding factor in a purchase.

It's about not wanting to support a company that finances a group you disagree with, the market for gaming gear is pretty competitive, there are plenty of comparable options, wanting to support a team can make the difference.


You disagree with Destiny. Not Quantic nor their sponsors.


No, people are disagreeing with Quantic's promotion of someone who uses this type of language. You're missing the point.


Quantic doesn't endorse the language. Do you really think because Destiny says Gook, Quantic suddenly watermarks Gook in the background on their website? Nothing actually happens. People just go out of their way to be offended. Don't watch his stream- problem solved.

You're missing the point that boycotting a sponsor's products, or at the very least threatening to do so in an e-mail is monumentally over-the-top.


Way to fucking strawman my argument, now I know you really have no point to make. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that Quantic would do that, but they are endorsing Destiny by proxy BY SUPPORTING AND SIGNING HIM TO THEIR TEAM. You're obviously too naive to understand what signing a player to a team means.



Strawman looked pretty relevant to me. Destiny says a racial slur, absolutely nothing happens other than people going out of their way to be offended and uproot an entire sponsor from a team. I could repeat my point, again, in response to your restatement, but then we'd just go in circles, so I'll simply inform you that my point is behind you on the wall, above your head.


Racial slurs are used to get specific people offended. Why are you surprised people were working to get Destiny removed? Your point is nonexistent. Don't bring up ridiculous assumptions like "WELL YOU MUST THINK QUANTIC IS GOING TO POST GOOK ALL OVER THEIR SITE BECAUSE OF HIM" You're a moron if you are going to use that statement as reinforcement.


Oh, I didn't know what a Racial slur was, my bad. What statement shall I reinforce with, then? What actually happens? Pretty sure it's nothing.
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
May 04 2012 19:54 GMT
#1915
Just think about ANY professional environment, and see where Destiny's personality would fit. I would like to see what peoples' thoughts are.

The only one I can really think of is comedy.
eSports or die tryin'
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
May 04 2012 19:54 GMT
#1916
On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them.


That's a terrible analogy :/
Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak).


if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
May 04 2012 19:56 GMT
#1917
watching the arguments on this thread develop has reminded me of this scene:



everyone is being so serious/defensive but to me you all come across as nincompoops
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
May 04 2012 19:56 GMT
#1918
On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them.




In the end some people need to understand that even it might look like u are alone when u are streaming or playing over the internet there are allot of people that watch u if u are a professional gamer.
Is that destiny decided to offensively express him while he knows 2k people are watching him and that’s stating something. You might be comfortable when u are at home streaming thinking u are alone but u are not. He doesn’t seem to be able to acknowledge that fact and starts blaming it on other stuff.
Internet is a media to be able to express your opinions but it’s also a media that allows u to be in the public from anywhere in the world. So as Quantic Destiny I believe he did wrong expressing himself like that on his streams and games but as an individual he is entitled to do whatever he wants.

So the questions u should ask yourself if u believe a professional athlete or gamer should be able to offensively using downgrading words to their opponent when the represent sponsors and teams?. The community seem to be clear that they don’t and I fully agree. Do I believe Destiny is the only one that should be hold accountable for this . My answer is No!.


I think EG should clean up there act on Idra. I think every team should make it clear to their players that they are not allowed to shout out words like fag,nigger ect when they are repesennting there team in sc2 games. They can do whatever they want on their free time or when they are alone. If destiny likes to rage on ladder his welcome doing it on a smurf account but I don’t se the point being like that when his representing his team.


your idea of "would you shout nigger in a mall" is so damn stupid it hurts my head. To watch destiny stream you have to go to TL, you have to click destinys player, wait for the site to load, sit threw a add and THEN you get to watch him. IT WAS YOUR DAMN CHOICE TO BE THERE! nobody forced you, nobody put a gun to your head, there is nothing you could possibly doing on that stream then watching destiny. At a mall your shopping, at a subway you're going some place, you are on it not to be entertained, not to listen to others, not to watch others, but for yourself. This is NOT the same with a stream, you are there ONLY to be entertained.... and if you get offended, and you are no longer entertained you can LEAVE! there are so many other streamers that you dont have to watch this one, you dont have to sit there and be offended. YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A DAMN WHITE KNIGHT AND TRY TO BRING SOMEONE DOWN. holy crap man, just like TV, if you dont like it, change the channel and stop the bitching.

No Artosis, you are robin
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
May 04 2012 19:57 GMT
#1919
On May 05 2012 04:51 divito wrote:
I've never seen so many thin-skinned people that aren't even part of the group/ethnicity/etc... being "insulted." They just like to announce their upstanding ethical nature to pump themselves up, and to protect something that they aren't even part of. Like many people have expressed on this website, even if my group/ethnicity was to be used in a negative way, it won't bother me cause I'm bigger than that.

Whether you want to believe they meant what they said or not, choosing to be offended doesn't accomplish anything other than showcasing your mental weakness. The thing we used to all be taught as kids (sticks and stones) seems to have evaporated in this online realm and that worries me. Are we breeding a psychologically weak generation bent on complaining their way to things?


Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that.
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
May 04 2012 19:57 GMT
#1920
On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them.


That's a terrible analogy :/
Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak).


if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs.


Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream.
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