EPTOn May 05 2012 04:48 ClydeFrogSC2 wrote:
We can disagree.....but be friends? :D
I think we're breaking the internet.
We can disagree.....but be friends? :D
I think we're breaking the internet.
Legolas and Gimli relationship starting.
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:46 Klondikebar wrote: No one explicitly tried to get Destiny fired. People were emailing Quantic and Razor demanding for action to be taken against him. If Destiny simply apologized and cleaned up his act people would have moved on. No they wouldn't have (some complaint emails were sent before he joined the discussion), but that's besides the point. Here's a more important point- why do you feel that Destiny needs to apologize? Why do you feel that Destiny needs to clean up his act? Why does Destiny need to change so that he is following rules set by other people? For some reason, many people on this forum feel that others are required to conform to their standards, or else the offending party must be punished. That is a pretty fucked up mindset to have and that is what I am standing against. Destiny only needs to apologize and change his ways if he wants the approval of these people. But he doesn't want their approval. As for why it's fine to go to sponsors? Perpetuation of normalized marginalization...blah blah blah immediately going to be met with "BUT WORDS CHANGE AND YOU SHOULDN'T GIVE THEM POWER!" blah blah blah...been done to death in this thread. Either you empathize with the minorities or you don't. I can't convince you to feel empathy on an internet forum. If you don't like something, don't watch it, don't support it. That's the bottom line. It is uncalled for, to go to a person's employer and demand repercussions just because you don't like them. Actions like this (complaining to Quantic) are acts of revenge or punishment, and are only appropriate if Destiny had gone out of his way to harm people or do damage to others. (Lack of self-censorship while trying to be an entertaining personality does not meet that standard). If Warden or other ladder opponents had done this, at least they would have some reason for their actions. But forum members doing it? That's completely different. That's "I don't like that guy so I'm going to fuck with him", and that's not cool. Complaining directly to sponsors is just plain stupid and harmful for so many different reasons, and is completely uncalled for. This is a measure of last resort for if legitimate complaints to Quantic are completely ignored. | ||
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote: Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene. Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote: do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote: Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that. I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. | ||
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DrBadfish
Canada2 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote: You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? So the ends justifies the means now? | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote: You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? | ||
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote: I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about. | ||
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R3DT1D3
285 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote: I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Now offend your boss and make this speech. There's idealism and there's reality and in reality, you know the place people actually have to operate, certain words have certain consequences. If you don't want the consequences don't use the words. If you truly aren't using them for what they originally intended, then it doesn't matter what word you use because you're only raging. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Anomi
Sweden149 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:56 Deathmanbob wrote: your idea of "would you shout nigger in a mall" is so damn stupid it hurts my head. To watch destiny stream you have to go to TL, you have to click destinys player, wait for the site to load, sit threw a add and THEN you get to watch him. IT WAS YOUR DAMN CHOICE TO BE THERE! nobody forced you, nobody put a gun to your head, there is nothing you could possibly doing on that stream then watching destiny. At a mall your shopping, at a subway you're going some place, you are on it not to be entertained, not to listen to others, not to watch others, but for yourself. This is NOT the same with a stream, you are there ONLY to be entertained.... and if you get offended, and you are no longer entertained you can LEAVE! there are so many other streamers that you dont have to watch this one, you dont have to sit there and be offended. YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A DAMN WHITE KNIGHT AND TRY TO BRING SOMEONE DOWN. holy crap man, just like TV, if you dont like it, change the channel and stop the bitching. Im not fan of peole that only read segment of a post and dont seem to grasp that the entire post is part of 1 point. Its easy to call people stupid but its harder to try to understand there point. As u my point did not come acros cleary enough. Quantic Destiny is brand, a face for the team and sponors. View and opinions that are presented with that name is something players should take responsibly for or do u think otherwise. You are welcome to explain why. Also what Destiny does as an individual if he doesn’t belong to a team doesn’t concern me at all. If u red my post propaly u would probably se that i only believe that players repenting teams should stay away for this kind of behavior becuse they are not only representing them self. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote: You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? I was not making a judgment on the morality of what happened, no. Personally, I think he got what he deserved for continuing to give the finger to people who suggested he curb his tongue with certain charged words. But on the other hand that is a large part of what makes him (in)famous, his exaggerated and hate-filled bm's and rants. That's why he makes so much streaming. He's a hilarious guy. But honestly what the fuck did Quantic expect when he is known for that and has made it clear in the past that he wasn't going to change. I don't feel bad for the loss of Destiny, I feel worried for what it says about the future of our industry when people are begging money (sponsors) to stay away from this person or that team because of XYZ. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote: Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:17 Xlancer wrote: And here I thought everyone wanted to help e-sports grow, but it seems that all we really want to do is harass sponsors and make them wish they'd never gotten involved with SC2 in the first place >.< way to go. If you want a certain play off a team please DON'T harass the sponsors, but rather take it up with the team itself. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. It's more akin to chopping off a foot before the rot that has set in spreads to the rest of the body. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On May 05 2012 02:05 adrenaLinG wrote: I don't watch it, nor do I care about the immature people that watch his streams. But his sponsors care, and his racism matters, whether you like it or not. I haven't seen any evidence of him being or acting like a racist, hell he's pretty tight with bebo and he doesn't have a problem with anything destiny says or does. Wait ... a black dude that doesn't give a fuck about what comes out of destinys mouth !?!?!?!?!? Go fucking figure. | ||
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Nokshalees
United States120 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Well - why was he fired? If they didnt step in: replace Razer with Quantic (except their interest isnt selling products but acquiring sponsors) Also if they didnt step in - why is everyone complaining that people wrote to the sponsors? On May 05 2012 04:49 Sithelin123 wrote: Any reasonable person would agree that it is completely improper behavior for professional players to shout racist insults.. The question is if Destiny should have been fired for it. Personally I don't really mind that he was since he was warned about it previously and this isn't the first case of racism controversy that surrounds him. The question is was he really "fired". From the OP both parties decided it was best to part ways. Maybe Quantic demanded a public apology (like with the naniwa-nestea incident) and Destiny refused. | ||
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