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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
May 04 2012 20:31 GMT
#1981
you know I was just thinking.
This is a question to ALL the people that actually feel offended by what Destiny did.

Do u also get offended by the South Park 'Faggot' episode? -.-
Natespank
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada449 Posts
May 04 2012 20:32 GMT
#1982
Good work, Team...
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 04 2012 20:33 GMT
#1983
On May 05 2012 05:26 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:25 Holytornados wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:22 Leth0 wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:
[quote]

if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs.


Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream.


Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff.


What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public?


do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you.

Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist.


I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism.

What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument.


Common decency.


Common decency doesn't mean that it is acceptable to demand someone's job. You may not want to hear Destiny say things like he did. It entertains some people.

If you don't like it, you can ignore Destiny and his stream.

what if you go on someone else's stream that is playing destiny and he spews his shit all over that stream? because this is not a case of him saying it on his stream, it was him saying it to other people on ladder.

+ Show Spoiler +

In-Game Censoring.

Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
May 04 2012 20:33 GMT
#1984
I don't know what to think atm, I always hate when people insult the Teamliquid community or Starcraft community but right now I don't know what to think.

I always believed its wrong to call people racial slurs, cuss people out and be complete assholes to basically everyone just because they beat you or for whatever reason. Yet here in this community a lot of people that I respect say that doing this is okay and if you disagree with that you are stupid.

I also don't understand how people can be surprised that when a opportunity arises people are going to try to attack Destiny, why? If you(Destiny) are an asshole to just about everyone, constantly harassing people out cussing them out and being BM for everyone to see do you really not think nothing bad will happen? Can anyone honestly say that nothing bad would come from that? That people would not want to bring you down and try to hurt you because of what you do to others?

Yet I don't know what to think at all because of the people I respect on these forums believe all of that is okay and the people who have a problem with it are wrong.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 20:34:05
May 04 2012 20:33 GMT
#1985
On May 05 2012 05:30 ProBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that.

I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action.

I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about.


Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help.

I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about.



We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me.


No , but when a kid gets mad over a video game and resorts to calling his opponent a racial slur then he is no better than the racists who use the word in the same inflammatory manner.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
May 04 2012 20:33 GMT
#1986
I hope all of those nerds sitting behind their computers who have no real importance or significance in the world feel just a little important now. Although I'd say you'd have been much better off spreading something positive and constructive instead of anger, hate, and self-righteousness.
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
May 04 2012 20:34 GMT
#1987
On May 05 2012 05:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:20 Nokshalees wrote:
Wow all these "racial slurs doesnt mean shit" made me think that I'm in stormfront


All these people defending the use of them would have been despicable bystanders during the civil rights movements in the United States. People should be able to say whatever they want to regardless if it offends people, and if it offends people, they can just leave!

What a terrible nonsensical argument this is. "I believe people should be allowed to say whatever they want, in the name of entertaining people during a show" somehow equals "I believe it's OK to give some people fewer legal rights than others, segregate them, and give them inferior treatment to others".
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 04 2012 20:34 GMT
#1988
On May 05 2012 05:33 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:26 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:25 Holytornados wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:22 Leth0 wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:
[quote]

Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream.


Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff.


What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public?


do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you.

Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist.


I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism.

What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument.


Common decency.


Common decency doesn't mean that it is acceptable to demand someone's job. You may not want to hear Destiny say things like he did. It entertains some people.

If you don't like it, you can ignore Destiny and his stream.

what if you go on someone else's stream that is playing destiny and he spews his shit all over that stream? because this is not a case of him saying it on his stream, it was him saying it to other people on ladder.

+ Show Spoiler +

In-Game Censoring.


fair point.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
May 04 2012 20:34 GMT
#1989
On May 05 2012 05:30 ProBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that.

I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action.

I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about.


Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help.

I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about.



We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me.


I don't personally agree with any group who uses language meant to demean and hurt based on racial background. Doesn't really matter if they have "color" to their skin or not. I think hispanics/asians who say nigga or nigger are just as ignorant as any white person.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
May 04 2012 20:35 GMT
#1990
On May 05 2012 05:33 liberal wrote:
I hope all of those nerds sitting behind their computers who have no real importance or significance in the world feel just a little important now. Although I'd say you'd have been much better off spreading something positive and constructive instead of anger, hate, and self-righteousness.


The irony of that surely must of went over your head.
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
May 04 2012 20:35 GMT
#1991
South Park is a good analogy.

The majority of society has a problem with a ton of content orignating from South Park.

Should Comedy Central pull the show? Should the advertisers for South Park be contacted?

In my opinion, context is everything. Coming from South Park, you don't expect a high politically correct moral standard. And coming from Destiny, same thing. That is the appeal. The rebellion against PC. The question is, do you pull South Park and Destiny, or do you acknowledge it as being a different stroke for the people who are into that kind of humor, and just mind your own goddamn business?
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
May 04 2012 20:35 GMT
#1992
On May 05 2012 05:31 Jakkerr wrote:
you know I was just thinking.
This is a question to ALL the people that actually feel offended by what Destiny did.

Do u also get offended by the South Park 'Faggot' episode? -.-


I think it is one of the few times Matt and Trey were wrong.
#2throwed
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
May 04 2012 20:36 GMT
#1993
This was totally inevitable. He acts uncivilized and doesn't deserve a place in the community until he can learn to treat people with respect.
nagual
Profile Joined December 2011
Ukraine70 Posts
May 04 2012 20:39 GMT
#1994
It was very clear, when Nani was bashed all-around in context of his game with Nestea, that this community absolutely LOVE witch hunting. Passion that went in the wrong direction. It is kind of sad to observe how the community changes over time, because it changes not in a good way. Year ago, when I first discovered TL and SC2 scene, I was overwhelmed with freindliness and good spirit. And now shit is flying in the air almost every week. Sad story, bro.
~~SlayerS
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
May 04 2012 20:39 GMT
#1995
On May 05 2012 05:36 artanis2 wrote:
This was totally inevitable. He acts uncivilized and doesn't deserve a place in the community until he can learn to treat people with respect.




QFT. All the people complaining about 'nerds in the basement' wasting time writing to sponsors, think about the 100 page TL thread and counting you spent fighting a losing battle trying to defend a god awful troll at best, and a racist homophobe at worst.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 20:40:23
May 04 2012 20:40 GMT
#1996
forget it...
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
May 04 2012 20:40 GMT
#1997
On May 05 2012 05:39 nagual wrote:
It was very clear, when Nani was bashed all-around in context of his game with Nestea, that this community absolutely LOVE witch hunting. Passion that went in the wrong direction. It is kind of sad to observe how the community changes over time, because it changes not in a good way. Year ago, when I first discovered TL and SC2 scene, I was overwhelmed with freindliness and good spirit. And now shit is flying in the air almost every week. Sad story, bro.


I feel this exact same way. Almost makes me not want to be a part anymore. It's just pathetic.
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
May 04 2012 20:40 GMT
#1998
Another victim to holier-than-thou political correctness?
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 20:49:32
May 04 2012 20:41 GMT
#1999
On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:
Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people?

Um, no. If I express myself how I want (and this is just an argument, because your logic is abysmal), and it uses that language, there is no difference whatsoever.

There is a larger difference in me using the word "nigger," and me saying "all niggers should burn and be wiped from the face of the earth." One is hate speech, and one is just a word.

On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:
If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help.

If that's part of their personality, then of course; you seem to be implying that I'm for hate speech or the actions against certain groups or ethnicities. That's a terrible thing to put in my mouth. There are a line of comedians that make money off that type of language. There are also people part of organizations and gangs that have it in their best interest to be able to speak that way.

And was an attack really necessary? Ones in need of psychiatric help would be the individuals that cannot cope when they see or hear certain words or phrases. It's like individuals that seek assistance in overcoming irrational fears that they have; this is no different.


On May 05 2012 05:16 R3DT1D3 wrote:
Now offend your boss and make this speech. There's idealism and there's reality and in reality, you know the place people actually have to operate, certain words have certain consequences. If you don't want the consequences don't use the words. If you truly aren't using them for what they originally intended, then it doesn't matter what word you use because you're only raging.

Even if I had a boss, why do I need to offend my boss to make this speech? My speech will be the same regardless of whether or not he is able to handle a word or phrase. I have no problem with people conforming to avoid getting ostracised, but I put more stock in people accepting others.

Bob being an actual racist is wholly different than Jim who uses socially questionable language.
Skype: divito7
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
May 04 2012 20:42 GMT
#2000
On May 05 2012 05:35 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:31 Jakkerr wrote:
you know I was just thinking.
This is a question to ALL the people that actually feel offended by what Destiny did.

Do u also get offended by the South Park 'Faggot' episode? -.-


I think it is one of the few times Matt and Trey were wrong.

That's fine, and there's nothing wrong with having that opinion.

But please also recognize that if you were a Muslim, you'd find the Muhammad episodes to be extremely inappropriate. If you're a hardcore Christian you'd find many other episodes offensive, and if you're an uptight person who finds bad language to be morally reprehensible, you'd find the show's very existence and popularity to be offensive.

And all of that is fine too. There are lots of things that people find unpleasant, and choose to avoid or choose not to support.

But is it an appropriate reaction to make a vocal protest to the sponsors, and create a protest to demand that Comedy Central cancel the show even though millions of people like it?

Or is the appropriate reaction to simply change the channel and not support the show?
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