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On May 05 2012 05:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:58 PH wrote:
The community is getting retarded. Destiny was incredibly harmless. He's just a stream star who has fun playing his games, and people gravitated towards that. To clean up his act and become a nice guy would completely separate him from what got him to "community icon" status in the first place.
People need to calm the fuck down. No one is trying to silence destiny. Its just that if he's going to be sporting sponsor logos and whatnot, he's gonna need to be more professional. He wasn't going to be more professional, which is necessary when sporting Razer and Quantic logos, so they parted ways. What exactly is the issue? If you're upset that someone isn't permitted to throw around racial slurs while sporting their company's logo, I think you should try to find other places where this is accepted. With Starcraft 2 making its way into news papers, television news (DH on Swedish TV, Sundance interviews on local news stations), its only natural that voices like destiny's are going to be pushed aside. No one is trying to make him stop what he's doing, its just that the scene is outgrowing his immaturity. All the teenage kids who enjoy his stream will still watch, but there is nothing wrong with the mature, future thinking portion of the community to shun him and make sure he doesn't burden us with his attention grabbing, immature shenanigans.
"No one is trying to silence Destiny. It's just that if he doesn't shut up, I'll get him fired, I'll get his stream de-listed from TL, and I'll affect his personal income." What a fucking joke this is.
The scene is outgrowing his immaturity? Sorry, that's not even remotely true. He's one of the most popular game streamers in the world. Even though many people dislike him, there are tens of thousands who watch his stream.
If the community had "outgrown" him, his viewer count would drop and he'd fall into obscurity. That's not what happened.
What did happen was a vocal minority decided to get revenge by fucking with him and threatening to create a shitstorm with his employer. That isn't shunning him. That's going out of your way to mess with someone's personal life because you don't approve of them, and that isn't OK to do.
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On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them. That's a terrible analogy :/ Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist.
I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism.
What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument.
On May 05 2012 05:21 Chocobo wrote:
vocal minority
Quoted for emphasis.
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On May 05 2012 05:20 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:49 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 Zocat wrote:
The question imho is:
Why did Razer step in?
I only see two possibilities:
a) they agree with the "white-knights" and think it's not proper behaviour for their players to shout racist insults
b) a ton of people complained - so to protect their interests (sell products) they cut him lose
If it's a), well looks like the "white-knights" are actually right (of course you're free to send your explanation why Destiny can say what he wants to Razer and convince them of your opinion).
If it's b), it basically shows that not enough defenders & fans of Destiny did tell Razer how awesome they are for sponsoring him prior to the incident. So to prevent something like "white-knights" ruining a player/team - go ahead and mail every sponsor of your favourite player/team right now. And repeat this every 1-3 months. Because if it's b) it's just simple math for Razer "More complainers than supporters - lets kick him".
razer stepped in? what did they do? Well - why was he fired? If they didnt step in: replace Razer with Quantic (except their interest isnt selling products but acquiring sponsors) Also if they didnt step in - why is everyone complaining that people wrote to the sponsors? Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:49 Sithelin123 wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 Zocat wrote:
The question imho is:
Why did Razer step in?
I only see two possibilities:
a) they agree with the "white-knights" and think it's not proper behaviour for their players to shout racist insults
b) a ton of people complained - so to protect their interests (sell products) they cut him lose
If it's a), well looks like the "white-knights" are actually right (of course you're free to send your explanation why Destiny can say what he wants to Razer and convince them of your opinion).
If it's b), it basically shows that not enough defenders & fans of Destiny did tell Razer how awesome they are for sponsoring him prior to the incident. So to prevent something like "white-knights" ruining a player/team - go ahead and mail every sponsor of your favourite player/team right now. And repeat this every 1-3 months. Because if it's b) it's just simple math for Razer "More complainers than supporters - lets kick him".
Any reasonable person would agree that it is completely improper behavior for professional players to shout racist insults.. The question is if Destiny should have been fired for it. Personally I don't really mind that he was since he was warned about it previously and this isn't the first case of racism controversy that surrounds him. The question is was he really "fired". From the OP both parties decided it was best to part ways. Maybe Quantic demanded a public apology (like with the naniwa-nestea incident) and Destiny refused.
who says he was fired? it appears he stepped down. why are you stating things like they are facts when you dont appear to know?
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On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them. That's a terrible analogy :/ Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist.
well I'm glad you learned one thing important today.
if you are smart or old enough to have real world experience, you would know words carry different connotation. Especially racial slurs.
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On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them. That's a terrible analogy :/ Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist. I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism. What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument.
Common decency.
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On May 05 2012 05:20 Nokshalees wrote:
Wow all these "racial slurs doesnt mean shit" made me think that I'm in stormfront
All these people defending the use of them would have been despicable bystanders during the civil rights movements in the United States. People should be able to say whatever they want to regardless if it offends people, and if it offends people, they can just leave!
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Makes me giggle to see that everyone demands "professional" behavior from players and teams, but so many people in this community dont act in a professional way.
It is NOT professional to email directly to sponsors. If you want to complain about someone. Email him AND his team in Cc or whatever. But you dont just go and email a 3rd party. That is not professional and you will just make a total fool out of yourself. But guess most ppl in this community have hardly any experience outside of a school. =)
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Same story with anything that goes mainstream. More and more people watch and play SC2, so you'll get more of the elitist people who make it their righteous mission to fix all of the wrong in the world. These are the same people that go to a Walmart(for example) and yell at employees rudely and ask for a manager so they can ask the employee to be fired simply because they didnt get what they want for the price they want.
Mainstream sucks, people suck. This whole catastrophe will continue to blow up and we'll see a drop in foreign e-sports respectability. Congrats everyone SC2 is SUCH a cleaner place now.
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On May 05 2012 05:22 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them. That's a terrible analogy :/ Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist. I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism. What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument. Common decency.
Common decency doesn't mean that it is acceptable to demand someone's job. You may not want to hear Destiny say things like he did. It entertains some people.
If you don't like it, you can ignore Destiny and his stream.
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On May 05 2012 05:23 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:20 Nokshalees wrote:
Wow all these "racial slurs doesnt mean shit" made me think that I'm in stormfront All these people defending the use of them would have been despicable bystanders during the civil rights movements in the United States. People should be able to say whatever they want to regardless if it offends people, and if it offends people, they can just leave!
There is a difference in using a word that is offensive, and actual blatant racism. You can't compare these two incidents the way you are.
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On May 05 2012 05:25 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:22 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:
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That's a terrible analogy :/
Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist. I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism. What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument. Common decency. Common decency doesn't mean that it is acceptable to demand someone's job. You may not want to hear Destiny say things like he did. It entertains some people. If you don't like it, you can ignore Destiny and his stream.
what if you go on someone else's stream that is playing destiny and he spews his shit all over that stream? because this is not a case of him saying it on his stream, it was him saying it to other people on ladder.
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On May 05 2012 05:23 HypaSnipa wrote:
Same story with anything that goes mainstream. More and more people watch and play SC2, so you'll get more of the elitist people who make it their righteous mission to fix all of the wrong in the world. These are the same people that go to a Walmart(for example) and yell at employees rudely and ask for a manager so they can ask the employee to be fired simply because they didnt get what they want for the price they want.
Mainstream sucks, people suck. This whole catastrophe will continue to blow up and we'll see a drop in foreign e-sports respectability. Congrats everyone SC2 is SUCH a cleaner place now.
Wuh? I could swear our numbers are dropping: both people playing and watching the game.
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On May 05 2012 05:25 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:22 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:
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That's a terrible analogy :/
Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist. I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism. What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument. Common decency. Common decency doesn't mean that it is acceptable to demand someone's job. You may not want to hear Destiny say things like he did. It entertains some people. If you don't like it, you can ignore Destiny and his stream.
That's not what you asked. If you asked "what realisticaly gives someone the right to get someone else fired?" I would of gave you a different answer.
So what are you asking?
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Where is this mystical place you guys think we're headed to where "esports is taken seriously and is seen as a professional industry". I don't get it. Being politically correct in all broadcasted content isn't going to make or break this scene imo.
Why can't we be like the WWE.... Slim Jim isn't pulling sponsorships because Chris Jericho said something racist or Stone Cold Steve Austin said something bigoted...that's part of the allure I guess, overbearing personalities. That's why Destiny is popular. Why can't we as an industry have rebels and rule breakers? It's fun and entertaining. Just because staged wrestling and its personalities are fiction and esports and its players are real?
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In my opinion it's completely possible to use racial slurs without being a racist.
If you don't like it, no1 is forcing you to watch any stream u don't like.
I'm pretty sure Destiny's stream is flagged for mature language or smthn.
Stop being offended by literally everything... it's pretty pathetic.
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On May 05 2012 05:21 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:12 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:03 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:59 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 Reuental wrote:On May 05 2012 04:54 Govou wrote:On May 05 2012 04:52 dmasterding wrote:On May 05 2012 04:44 Anomi wrote:
People answer me this. Would anyone scream out nigger or any kind of offensive word in middle of shopping mall so everyone could hear it, or any other place where 5000 people is listening to u. would u scream out nigger in the subway to your friend with intension to offend him when u have 5 black people sitting next to u. even a 10 year old kid would know that’s disrespectful. Even if those 5 people didn’t get offended I don’t any still would say it would be right screaming out that word in public like that. I would like to hear someone try to rationalize or explain them self out of that situation. No I don’t have anything against black people I was just screaming at my friend?. Or sry I didn’t know u guys where sitting here?
Doesn’t matter how hard u try I think most people know that u did wrong in that situation even if your intention wasn’t to offend them. That's a terrible analogy :/ Yelling "nigger" out to 5000 random people you see in public is WAAAAAAAY different from saying "nigger" on a stream to 5k people who have chosen to listen to you and are actively on your stream (and most likely know already how you speak). if you are a public figure and you just don't shout 'Nigger' because you are basically promoting the use of racial slurs. Pretty funny when uncountable public figures use the word nigger in public, yet the sc2 communties blow up over someone saying it on stream. Use it without consequence and as an insult? List them. Do it. I'm calling this bluff. What is every rapper ever? Seriously? You have never heard a rapper say the word nigger in public? do you know what racial slurs are? show me a white rapper saying N word. I believe you. Are you saying that people of certain skin colors don't have the same rights as people of other skin colors? Racist. I agree. To counter an argument with racism is racism. What realistically prevents white people (or ANYONE) from saying these words? This is an insane argument. Quoted for emphasis.
I have to agree is funny condiction in my post xD. music industry is the music industry. And dubbel standards is always going to be there. Give me an example of a public figure i the sports world using that word with peole starting a shit strom ^^.
I think we all have a problem with a gaming culture colliding with a sports culture or the real world .
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On May 05 2012 05:03 Pillage wrote:
This group of people would make the 17th century residents of Salem blush. I'm so sick of the community being occupied with shit like this. There are far more profitable and rewarding things to put our effort into.
You're comparing racism and witchcraft. Do you have a real point? Or do you want to continue the namecalling that's been going on for 100 pages?
I just want to float an idea in view of the ardent despisers of supposed "white knights". Perhaps people wouldn't be motivated to such great lengths as contacting sponsors if they weren't faced at every turn with argumentative defenders of bigotry playing the victim card. If instead what they saw was a manner discussion about objectionable language, maybe they would say to themselves, "I guess the community is talking through this and things will be resolved".
I'm not blaming you guys. I'm trying to put your accusations into perspective.
Warden's original thread blew up into a huge argument because at least half the posters were defending the use of racist language. I don't understand why you think a zealous minority is responsible for everything that has happened. What has happened anyway? There is rampant condemnation of imaginary damage to Quantic and Destiny and esports and everything. Your monopoly on upset doesn't even have a foundation.
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On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote:
Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene.
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable.
I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way.
But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him".
A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him?
That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people.
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On May 05 2012 05:26 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:23 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:20 Nokshalees wrote:
Wow all these "racial slurs doesnt mean shit" made me think that I'm in stormfront All these people defending the use of them would have been despicable bystanders during the civil rights movements in the United States. People should be able to say whatever they want to regardless if it offends people, and if it offends people, they can just leave! There is a difference in using a word that is offensive, and actual blatant racism. You can't compare these two incidents the way you are.
Unfortunately, people who did nothing during the civil rights movements weren't always racist, but they allowed racist behavior to continue through their implicit acceptance of the situation. People are being too cowardly to call out people for doing things that should not be acceptable.
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On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that. I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about.
We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me.
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