On May 05 2012 01:54 Spicy_Curry wrote: I dont understand why people are so quick to tell "mommy." Sure what Destiny did was wrong, but why do we have to step in? The people who think that its wrong will stop watching his stream. The people who like that sort of stuff will gather around it. Why is it our problem if we can just walk away. Telling sponsors does nothing but hurt the scene. It makes them want to invest less. You may think you are helping. You are not. Its quite a double standard really. The poeple who acted on this will probably still watch destiny streaming knowing that they cost him his sponsorship but just not giving a shit. Stay classy.
Because the sponsors need to know the community will self report this kind of thing before it gets out of hand.
On May 05 2012 01:54 Spicy_Curry wrote: People Companies who think that its wrong will stop watching sponsoring his stream. The people companies who like that sort of stuff will gather around it.
Goes both ways. If Razer didn't care about being associated with a team that has members that act that way they would simply have ignored the emails.
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
On May 05 2012 01:54 Spicy_Curry wrote: I dont understand why people are so quick to tell "mommy." Sure what Destiny did was wrong, but why do we have to step in? The people who think that its wrong will stop watching his stream. The people who like that sort of stuff will gather around it. Why is it our problem if we can just walk away. Telling sponsors does nothing but hurt the scene. It makes them want to invest less. You may think you are helping. You are not. Its quite a double standard really. The poeple who acted on this will probably still watch destiny streaming knowing that they cost him his sponsorship but just not giving a shit. Stay classy.
Because the sponsors need to know the community will self report this kind of thing before it gets out of hand.
Which gives them a rather false impression of the community, since most of it didn't seem to mind at all.
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
It shouldn't be a big deal anywhere, unless you're some sort of publicly funded position.
On May 05 2012 01:13 Tektos wrote: Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.
If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.
Thank you for literally killing e-sports.
By eliminating people like Destiny, we're helping e-sports. People like Destiny put forth a horrendous image to the outside world. Don't forget that plenty of events, such as DH and MLG, have already been featured on public television. e-sports isn't some underground operation like the FGC has. We're growing and becoming more exposed to the outside world. Destiny was a liability.
No you are not.You're only killing sc2.The outside world wants to see internet type of entertainment aka bm.
'Destiny was a liability' the only liability is you for transforming sc2 in an irrelevant esport with little ratings
At least in my country you don't see people of other sports publicly insulting or calling each other names. If that happens, and it surely does, it's off cameras. When it happens, which is rare, it's very bad for their image, because they come off as bad mannered people, which only hurts them, and for sure doesn't help any point they're trying to make. We live in society, a minimum respect for each other, specially publicly for those that are public role model figures, is important. Otherwise this would be a jungle. I don't get how people can't think the same in this case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apito_Dourado So in your country soccer players/bosses don't bm each othr.Hard to believe.Btw Portugal is a dirty country.I've visited and it stinks.
Lmao, here is a typical Destiny fan, seriously you guys, him included are the embodiment of internet cancer.
Also, Romania talking about Portugal? You serious? Romania is borderline 3rd world country.
On May 05 2012 01:54 Spicy_Curry wrote: People Companies who think that its wrong will stop watching sponsoring his stream. The people companies who like that sort of stuff will gather around it.
Goes both ways. If Razer didn't care about being associated with a team that has members that act that way they would simply have ignored the emails.
Apparently they did.
And apparently, the corporate people at Razer have more decency than the 18 year olds here on teamliquid whiteknighting destiny. Shocking.
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
but its ok for rappers to this, cuz, you know, they are black?
On May 05 2012 01:54 Spicy_Curry wrote: People Companies who think that its wrong will stop watching sponsoring his stream. The people companies who like that sort of stuff will gather around it.
Goes both ways. If Razer didn't care about being associated with a team that has members that act that way they would simply have ignored the emails.
Apparently they did.
And apparently, the corporate people at Razer have more decency than the 18 year olds here on teamliquid whiteknighting destiny. Shocking.
If you think this was a matter of "decency" for executives, you're kidding yourself.
On May 05 2012 01:53 ComusLoM wrote: Props to destiny for being so Professional. Sad to see him leave Quantic. Sad to see all this drama get blown so far out of proportion. I suppose this is why it's so hard to have nice things.
Destiny being professional? It was his lack of professionalism that got him in this situation in the first place.
It was the mob mentality of a bunch of posters on TL that brought it too this. EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!!! Who do we go after next? Incontrol has a sexist backdrop on his offline stream placeholder. Idra called somebody a loser, think of the hurt feelings. Who's next? Did you see what Torch made Hero do.. i think we should get him. garbage
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
It shouldn't be a big deal anywhere, unless you're some sort of publicly funded position.
Yes, because casual racism is totally cool unless you're a politician! Moron.
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
I'm sure if the thousands of people watching it actually gave a shit about what he says or does ... he wouldn't have thousands of people watching. If you don't like what he does or says .... here's an idea .. don't fucking watch it. Genius idea or common sense? I'ld like to think it's common sense but apparently it's not so common.
People with a social consience are happy. Destiny seems indifferent. His fans still get to watch him like nothing's happened. Everybody wins. Smile.
Oh, a tip for Destiny's fanboys:
In the real world, you don't get to decide what words really mean and what is or is not acceptable language. Society does. It's your lawful right to be as offensive as you want to be but it's everybody else's right to shun your products, services, and person. That's what has happened here. People who care to can still watch Destiny's stream just fine. It's the same reason why Stormfront exists or the KKK or the Black Panthers. Your free speech hasn't been violated. But you have no right to impose your own views on society. It doesn't matter what you think. Sorry. Being a rebel is cool and all but it comes at a price. I used to like paying that price but then I decided I wanted a 6 figure job so I made my concessions. Some people don't but that's just the variety of life. Enjoy yourself.
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
It shouldn't be a big deal anywhere, unless you're some sort of publicly funded position.
Yes, because casual racism is totally cool unless you're a politician! Moron.
Whether it's cool or otherwise, it's not worth getting fired over IMO, especially if it was part of an angry outburst or obvious comedy (this was both).
On May 05 2012 01:54 Spicy_Curry wrote: People Companies who think that its wrong will stop watching sponsoring his stream. The people companies who like that sort of stuff will gather around it.
Goes both ways. If Razer didn't care about being associated with a team that has members that act that way they would simply have ignored the emails.
Apparently they did.
And apparently, the corporate people at Razer have more decency than the 18 year olds here on teamliquid whiteknighting destiny. Shocking.
If you think this was a matter of "decency" for executives, you're kidding yourself.
It's a matter of Razer ensuring that they continue to market to a diverse market without alienating large segments of people for having their brand name tied to someone who spouts racist language.
The free market can't fix a lot of things, but it can sure fix this.
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote: I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.
I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.
And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
Saying nigger and gook and all sorts of racist shit is actually a big deal and you will get into shit if you say it in any other aspect of public life, so why should a public stream by an esports personality viewed by thousands of people be any different?
It shouldn't be a big deal anywhere, unless you're some sort of publicly funded position.
Yes, because casual racism is totally cool unless you're a politician! Moron.
Whether it's cool or otherwise, it's not worth getting fired over IMO, especially if it was part of an angry outburst or obvious comedy (this was both).
That's cool, tell that to the athletes and professionals that get reprimanded for shouting "niggers" every time they lose or get mad.
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