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Keep this civil, guys
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
May 04 2012 16:42 GMT
#1541
I think Destiny's fans should shrug and move on as Mr. Bonnell has.

This will have little effect on Destiny's income or fanbase, as shown in this thread, so why do his fans care so much whether he's a sponsored member of a team?
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
May 04 2012 16:42 GMT
#1542
People havent realized that this is all an elaborate plot by the TL mafia forum to get sc2 community figures lynched. we should actually be trying to find the scum. Were all being misled!
In Mushi we trust
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
May 04 2012 16:42 GMT
#1543
looking at destiny's statement again, he torched every bridge he has/had. i hope TL decides not to reinforce this behavior and take away his featured status.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
May 04 2012 16:43 GMT
#1544
Just close the thread with this video.

This perfectly sums up the situation.

We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
GloPikkle
Profile Joined October 2010
United States197 Posts
May 04 2012 16:45 GMT
#1545
I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.

I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.

And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.
jemoijemoi
Profile Joined May 2012
Romania58 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:48:41
May 04 2012 16:46 GMT
#1546
On May 05 2012 01:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 01:35 jemoijemoi wrote:
On May 05 2012 01:25 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 05 2012 01:20 jemoijemoi wrote:
On May 05 2012 01:15 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 05 2012 01:13 Tektos wrote:
Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.

If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.


Thank you for literally killing e-sports.


By eliminating people like Destiny, we're helping e-sports. People like Destiny put forth a horrendous image to the outside world. Don't forget that plenty of events, such as DH and MLG, have already been featured on public television. e-sports isn't some underground operation like the FGC has. We're growing and becoming more exposed to the outside world. Destiny was a liability.


No you are not.You're only killing sc2.The outside world wants to see internet type of entertainment aka bm.

'Destiny was a liability'
the only liability is you for transforming sc2 in an irrelevant esport with little ratings


A nonentity in the community outside of his stream and small rabid fanbase, who has almost no exposure outside of his stream thanks to his lack of results, leaves his team via mutual decision by both sides and the SC2 community is being killed. SC2 is being transformed into an irrelevant esport with little ratings because a nonentity is no longer on the team he never did anything for anyway. Okay.


As a Destiny fan if I would say the above I would get banned.As a Destiny fan I hope that a mod gives at least a warning.


if that's what i deserve i'll take it, i won't go to reddit, i won't go to my twitter, i won't want people to rage about double standards or inconsistency or the killing of esports. what i said is just my opinion on the prominence of the man in the community and the return on investment he produced for quantic. you rarely see him on any broadcast except his own, he doesnt post results in competition, all that is ever produced from his actions is needless drama.


I honestly think you're misinformed which is a polite way of saying stupid.Destiny was the most prolific streamer on Quantic and one of the most prolific sc2 streamers.

'you rarely see him on any broadcast except his own'
Which only runs for 8 hours and produces more money than anyone from Quantic.What blind hate can do to a man...
BobbysBack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States77 Posts
May 04 2012 16:47 GMT
#1547
I'm happy I'm not involved in the Sc2 community at all anymore. I disagreed with the whole Orb thing when I didn't even know anything about him besides the one event. Now that Destiny got his kick, I really do hate this community now. People should be able to say what they want. If you don't like it, you ignore them. If they're little children that get happy at your response, they stop. Just mute people at the start of games if you're so frightened. Turn on mature language filters. They exist for a reason, and you not using them is like zergs complaining about their economy when they don't make queens.

This is silly. Sorry you had to go, Destiny. You should move to a new community, even if it's LoL or something. I wish you good luck.
ProBot
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada170 Posts
May 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#1548
Am i the only person that finds it fucking pathetic that people run to sponsors if they don't like a player? Like seriously GROW THE FUCK UP. This community becomes more of a joke by the day, the sad part is that the people that complain about him or anyone dropping the "N" bomb are WASPS who is a friend of a friend of a friend of a black dude, and crosses the street the second they see a black guy walking towards them.

Do i agree with a lot of what destiny says on stream .... not always, but i do find a lot of it fucking hilarious and i respect the fact that he's always honest with himself and his stream. People also bitch about professionalism .... really? Professionalism in a scene composed of 12-25 year olds playing video games? Get real, what one does on his stream outside of a tournament at home while not wearing a team shirt or representing sponsors is fair game. A lot of you need to get exposed to a solid dose of reality.

Pathetic.
partisan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States783 Posts
May 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#1549
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote:
I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.

I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.

And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.


Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.
Rebel_lion
Profile Joined January 2009
United States271 Posts
May 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#1550
Well he is insisting that as a poster, in an sc2 forum, he is a better community member than a pro sc2 player who had a team, stream, articles, lessons, charity events, and also a poster.

It makes it easier to glorify the mob action.
Something witty here....
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
May 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#1551
On May 05 2012 01:18 intrigue wrote:
hi friends! just want to drop by and say a few non-threatening words. here's what i think: as an obviously intelligent human being, you must recognize that there is a nonzero amount of people in the world who may experience a nonzero amount of genuine negative emotion given certain stimuli. let's lowball it and say it's only this one single guy out of 7 billion of us with the shittiest luck in the birth lottery. the confluence of slight negative events due to his birthplace, upbringing, development, and education (in which he has no part in playing) primes his mind to associate specific english colloquialisms with a glare back in middle school, a little injustice that time at the store, or a comment by some douchebag. nothing big. yeah, he can just "get over it", but that's not quite how conditioning or pain works. it adds a grain to the pile of frustrations in his heart that all humans already have.

ultimately none of this matters. we're all gonna die, the sun's gonna go whoosh. this guy probably doesn't even watch destiny's stream. but still, in a meaningless world where for some fucked reason we can comprehend our own mortality, shouldn't the truly empathetic individual choose to spare as much unintended and unnecessary pain as possible?

you can still be funny, express extreme disgust, and let someone know exactly what you think of them.the english language is pretty sick at conveying crazy ideas. there are extremely good insults out there that don't imply you think you're better than someone because of the physical body your soul got randomly assigned to. again, not that it happens much but we all know it happens. it's a gross feeling, being judged as a result of some cosmic whim.

how dare you post your thoughts, moderators aren't people like the rest of us
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
May 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#1552
On May 05 2012 01:48 ProBot wrote:
Am i the only person that finds it fucking pathetic that people run to sponsors if they don't like a player? Like seriously GROW THE FUCK UP. This community becomes more of a joke by the day, the sad part is that the people that complain about him or anyone dropping the "N" bomb are WASPS who is a friend of a friend of a friend of a black dude, and crosses the street the second they see a black guy walking towards them.

Do i agree with a lot of what destiny says on stream .... not always, but i do find a lot of it fucking hilarious and i respect the fact that he's always honest with himself and his stream. People also bitch about professionalism .... really? Professionalism in a scene composed of 12-25 year olds playing video games? Get real, what one does on his stream outside of a tournament at home while not wearing a team shirt or representing sponsors is fair game. A lot of you need to get exposed to a solid dose of reality.

Pathetic.

I guess Razer should stop sponsoring Destiny since you know, it's not professional.

Which is what would have ended up happening.

Which is why Destiny got kicked off Quantic.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
jemoijemoi
Profile Joined May 2012
Romania58 Posts
May 04 2012 16:51 GMT
#1553
On May 05 2012 01:42 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
People havent realized that this is all an elaborate plot by the TL mafia forum to get sc2 community figures lynched. we should actually be trying to find the scum. Were all being misled!


You actually might be on something here.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:55:11
May 04 2012 16:53 GMT
#1554
I honestly think you're misinformed which is a polite way of saying stupid.Destiny was the most prolific streamer on Quantic and one of the most prolific sc2 streamers.


actually it's a polite way of saying ignorant, which unfortunately among today's less language-sophisticated is a synonym for stupid. (it's not.)

quantic players seem not to stream much in general, other than destiny, and he's not a member now. i don't think personal streaming is a big part of their business plan, they seem more focused on sponsorships and tournament winnings

'you rarely see him on any broadcast except his own'
Which only runs for 8 hours and produces more money than anyone from Quantic.What blind hate can do to a man...


most of that money goes towards supporting destiny, as so many people have pointed out, that's how he makes his living.

you're just drawing conclusions you wish were true rather than stating facts, destiny's streaming was a nice bit of sprinkles on top of the quantic muffin, not the icing or the muffin itself.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 04 2012 16:53 GMT
#1555
Props to destiny for being so Professional. Sad to see him leave Quantic. Sad to see all this drama get blown so far out of proportion. I suppose this is why it's so hard to have nice things.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
May 04 2012 16:54 GMT
#1556
Maybe the answer would simply be to have some kind of "mature content" rating for streams. Like, for example, if I had a 10 year old kid, I would be totally OK with him watching Sheth's stream but I would not be OK with him watching Destiny's stream.

I have no idea of what the communication there has been between Destiny and his sponsors but based on this thread and others it would appear the sponsors were not fully aware of what kind of product they were getting with Destiny and if Destiny had clearly stated to them that this is the kind of product you are getting and if you don't want that or if you want to put some "mature content" warning on it then that whole aspect would have been dealt with and this kind of issue would not have arisen in the first place.

I personally enjoy Destiny's stream but at the same time I do understand that it is in a different category when compared to Sheth's stream, for example. The niche is different, just like cable tv and regular and I think it's sad to see the conflict happen like this when there really should not be any conflict in the first place.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
May 04 2012 16:54 GMT
#1557
I dont understand why people are so quick to tell "mommy." Sure what Destiny did was wrong, but why do we have to step in? The people who think that its wrong will stop watching his stream. The people who like that sort of stuff will gather around it. Why is it our problem if we can just walk away. Telling sponsors does nothing but hurt the scene. It makes them want to invest less. You may think you are helping. You are not. Its quite a double standard really. The poeple who acted on this will probably still watch destiny streaming knowing that they cost him his sponsorship but just not giving a shit.
Stay classy.
High Risk Low Reward
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
May 04 2012 16:54 GMT
#1558
On May 05 2012 01:53 ComusLoM wrote:
Props to destiny for being so Professional. Sad to see him leave Quantic. Sad to see all this drama get blown so far out of proportion. I suppose this is why it's so hard to have nice things.

Destiny being professional? It was his lack of professionalism that got him in this situation in the first place.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:56:44
May 04 2012 16:56 GMT
#1559
it's funny what little power does to fat kids behind computer screens...

i won't even go into destiny/orb thing, but actually diverting sponsors attention to such negative things has 10x more of an impact than saying something positive, and soon enough someone important will start wondering in what the hell are they investing their money into

fat kids will eventually go on to LoL, Dota2 or the next "best thing ever", while Starcraft community will be left with bad reputation... so, congratulations i guess? you sure did a good thing here today!
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 04 2012 16:56 GMT
#1560
On May 05 2012 01:48 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 01:45 GloPikkle wrote:
I don't really understand why people are defending Destiny given that his attitude over most of his controversial stuff has been "I do what I want". I don't think he ever didn't understand what the consequences might be, he just said that he didn't care. He doesn't really have anyone to blame but himself. Sensitive people will be sensitive, and some people will go further than others to rectify their perceived wrongs.

I think 95% of his BM is pretty funny, but if you're going to try to be edgier and more controversial, I think you also need to think about risk management. And honestly his risk management boiled down to "stfu I do what I want". Well, that's fine, but just don't expect that to be fine forever.

And yes, it IS indeed more professional to NOT be like that. Entertainers, athletes, politicians, anyone in the public eye is held to similar standards.


Because the cult of personality is a strong thing for some people. They don't understand why many people in the community think that his actions can be extremely damaging and that's why we contacted the team/sponsors.

I hate Destiny as a player and comedian, but nevertheless this was a massive abuse of community influence, and IMO what he said wasn't a big deal.
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