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On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams.
okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in?
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On May 05 2012 01:09 m2e wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. Little Robert (14 years old) shot up a school today! His parents and the media blame his actions on the new Call of Duty video game and say this would of never happened if the game wasn't created! (ignoring the fact that it has a mature 18+ rating on it and that they might of just been bad parents or an underlying psychological condition might of been affecting their son which caused him to do this). We live in the age of defering blame to others now. No one can accept fault for their actions or mistakes, it HAS TO BE someone elses fault. When some moron stumbles on to destiny's stream and gets offended, it's destinys fault and not their own even though there's warnings posted by destiny letting you know about the mature language and possibility to be offended.
I think you have it the wrong way around. Destiny should take responsibility for his actions.
Just because it has an explicit warning doesn't mean anything goes. You can't use a warning as a way to commit heinous acts (as mentioned previously, using racial slurs is a crime in many places in the world)
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I never liked Destiny at all and I couldn't care less for what happens or not when he plays. What scares me is the power that a handful of people trying really hard to be politically correct can have and use to manipulate how this whole community works.
Are there limitis to this? or will we soon start seeing petitions for players to be kicked out of their teams whenever they worker rush or simply refuse to sign an autograph?
If this is what it takes for esports to become mainstream then really... fuck esports.
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On second thought, I've just realised this is really the sponsors fault, and Quantic's fault for hiring Destiny in the first place.
Destiny has been like this forever. It's not as if this is some shocking revelation, that he's offensive to a lot of people.
It is a companies job to do due research into anyone they may be sponsoring, to make sure there is nothing that is going to hurt their brand.
It is the teams job, if they want to keep their sponsors, to not hire anyone who is going to be a liability to them in that area.
Therefore these 2 parties only have themselves to blame. Maybe this wouldn't have happened if some people hadn't emailed the sponsors directly, but really it's the sponsors/teams job to not put themselves in a compromising position in the first place.
If I can see a train coming, but I stand on the tracks anyway, I can only really expect one result.
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On May 05 2012 01:09 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. Yeah nigger is totally modern, you got me there man.
The way we use the word today IS modern...
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Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.
If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.
Thank you for literally killing e-sports.
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On May 04 2012 15:57 give.ViviD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 15:53 ch33psh33p wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:On May 04 2012 15:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
What a wonderfully toxic community. How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed Its toxic because it put the entirety of Quantic at risk over one disagreement that happened on ladder. Now imagine if this trend continues, players will cease to have ANY personality for fear of saying ONE thing wrong, and having a bunch of children email their sponsors, tagging them as CRITICAL, and having their entire team suffer. All shall perish and burn to the might of the "righteous" reddit and SC2 community, none shall pass. Seriously though this is getting out of hand, why are people so goddamn crazy? Mailing sponsors and shit? Do that when actual injustice or abuse is happening, not when a starcraft 2 player rages and calls someone names jesus fucking christ this is making me so prejudice against everybody in this community who supports this kind of shit. Fuck you all who supported this, just fuck you really bad.
Man, this guy knows exactly how most of us feel.
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On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in?
It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny.
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he plays more LOL than sc2 anyway ....
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[QUOTE]On May 05 2012 00:44 Mr. Black wrote:
Fourth, Quantic's use for Destiny has declined. When Destiny joined, Quantic's roster was:
Josh "Agh" Bland
Colbey "RockEr" Robinson
Nick "DarkCell" Murray
Joe "Shuffle" Moloney
Michael "theognis" McClelland
John "Baz" Bednis
Phil "PhiliBiRD" Baird
Plus inka and sase
So, in terms of big-time, big-name, big-draw players, they had Sase. Destiny gave them added recognition, which any team needs to get off the ground. Quantic sent Destiny to Korea to train with Startale, and, if I recall, it wasn't that long after that Destiny took a long break from SC2 and was streaming only LoL for a while (my chronology could be off there). Since gaining Destiny, Quantic has acquired Naniwa, Sase has shown himself to be amazingly good, and they got a Korean terran. Quantic has big name players fully committed to winning, and have a player that made GSL Round of 8. People know who they are, and know they have players in contention for the major tournaments. For an unknown team, all publicity is good publicity, but once you've made a name, it does not make business sense to keep a "publicity player" who brings negative attention. It's just business, and it's not our business.
Besides naniwa and Sase I have not heard of any of the players above.Only reason I knew about quantic was Destiny.But apparently casual watchers don't count.Btw when's the last time Sase or Naniwa streamed?
Warden, you make some cool guides (I'm assuming it's the same guy), but had you not posted, I would not have heard the word "gook" in, like, six months. You have just as much right to complain about Destiny's treatment of you as he does to be a dick (and if someone is harassing you, you are certainly justified in exposing it/complaining)
Being called an insult under a nickname,at the end of a ladder game, with no real life concequences definetly is harassment....And you guys wonder why lol and dota2 are growing like crazy
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On May 05 2012 01:10 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. If you were to poll the united states, what % of individuals do you think would classify gook as a hateful term? It doesn't matter that its his own stream, he was representing a team. He had logos and crap all over his stream. By doing so, he became accountable to other people. He was not independent. Now he is.
I'll agree with that, when in representation of a team, sponsors, and anyone else he should be held accountable, and he should have just apologized over the situation, however, regardless of sponsors or a team, the offended should have simply said I'm offended, destiny makes public apology, and whole ordeal is over, not apologizing was very childish and unprofessional yes, but he was streaming, he was not in a professional surrounding, and that's why my original post was said of who the hell cares.
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On May 05 2012 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in? It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny.
Again with this "disgrace to the community" bullshit. I don't feel like he's a disgrace. Nor do a whole shitload of people both on this forum and on others. Does that make us somehow not part of the community?
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On May 05 2012 01:13 Tektos wrote:
Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.
If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.
Thank you for literally killing e-sports.
By eliminating people like Destiny, we're helping e-sports. People like Destiny put forth a horrendous image to the outside world. Don't forget that plenty of events, such as DH and MLG, have already been featured on public television. e-sports isn't some underground operation like the FGC has. We're growing and becoming more exposed to the outside world. Destiny was a liability.
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It's as if Destiny doesn't understand that not everyone tuning in to watch him play is white. There are a shit load of BLACK people and YELLOW people and BROWN people who are fans. Is it that hard to watch what you say??? Are you that much of a child that you can't control your speech??? WTF.
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On May 05 2012 01:13 Mindflow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 15:57 give.ViviD wrote:On May 04 2012 15:53 ch33psh33p wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:On May 04 2012 15:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
What a wonderfully toxic community. How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed Its toxic because it put the entirety of Quantic at risk over one disagreement that happened on ladder. Now imagine if this trend continues, players will cease to have ANY personality for fear of saying ONE thing wrong, and having a bunch of children email their sponsors, tagging them as CRITICAL, and having their entire team suffer. All shall perish and burn to the might of the "righteous" reddit and SC2 community, none shall pass. Seriously though this is getting out of hand, why are people so goddamn crazy? Mailing sponsors and shit? Do that when actual injustice or abuse is happening, not when a starcraft 2 player rages and calls someone names jesus fucking christ this is making me so prejudice against everybody in this community who supports this kind of shit. Fuck you all who supported this, just fuck you really bad. Man, this guy knows exactly how most of us feel.
I'm pretty sure most people don't think it's okay to use that remark. A lot of people aren't willing to say it though because they've already been subjected to hurtful remarks for being a minority in the past.
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On May 05 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in? It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny. Again with this "disgrace to the community" bullshit. I don't feel like he's a disgrace. Nor do a whole shitload of people both on this forum and on others. Does that make us somehow not part of the community?
There are also people that believe the KKK is a good organization, but socially racist language isn't typically accepted.
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I'm proud of the community for ousting destiny from his team.
If we are talking about growing esports, the number one thing is to change the world's conception of the people who are involved with esports. One of the conceptions is that the esports world is populated by embittered nerds who are racist manchildren and don't want to engage with the real world. Guess what? In the real world you can't be blatantly racist in a public, recorded stream and not expect to be villified for it. Just because it is a video game doesn't somehow make this exempt. This shows that the community is growing in maturity.
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should change mascot from horsey to pitchfork
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hi friends! just want to drop by and say a few non-threatening words. here's what i think: as an obviously intelligent human being, you must recognize that there is a nonzero amount of people in the world who may experience a nonzero amount of genuine negative emotion given certain stimuli. let's lowball it and say it's only this one single guy out of 7 billion of us with the shittiest luck in the birth lottery. the confluence of slight negative events due to his birthplace, upbringing, development, and education (in which he has no part in playing) primes his mind to associate specific english colloquialisms with a glare back in middle school, a little injustice that time at the store, or a comment by some douchebag. nothing big. yeah, he can just "get over it", but that's not quite how conditioning or pain works. it adds a grain to the pile of frustrations in his heart that all humans already have.
ultimately none of this matters. we're all gonna die, the sun's gonna go whoosh. this guy probably doesn't even watch destiny's stream. but still, in a meaningless world where for some fucked reason we can comprehend our own mortality, shouldn't the truly empathetic individual choose to spare as much unintended and unnecessary pain as possible?
you can still be funny, express extreme disgust, and let someone know exactly what you think of them. the english language is pretty sick at conveying crazy ideas. there are extremely good insults out there that don't imply you think you're better than someone because of the physical body your soul got randomly assigned to. again, not that it happens much but we all know it happens. it's a gross feeling, being judged as a result of some cosmic whim.
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On May 05 2012 01:12 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:09 m2e wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. Little Robert (14 years old) shot up a school today! His parents and the media blame his actions on the new Call of Duty video game and say this would of never happened if the game wasn't created! (ignoring the fact that it has a mature 18+ rating on it and that they might of just been bad parents or an underlying psychological condition might of been affecting their son which caused him to do this). We live in the age of defering blame to others now. No one can accept fault for their actions or mistakes, it HAS TO BE someone elses fault. When some moron stumbles on to destiny's stream and gets offended, it's destinys fault and not their own even though there's warnings posted by destiny letting you know about the mature language and possibility to be offended. I think you have it the wrong way around. Destiny should take responsibility for his actions. Just because it has an explicit warning doesn't mean anything goes. You can't use a warning as a way to commit heinous acts (as mentioned previously, using racial slurs is a crime in many places in the world)
Well an explicit warning doesn't work for this because there's laws about murdering people, there is no law about using harsh language, hell its freedom of speech. I'm not black but if I was I would get over the fact of people calling me a Nigger. Countrymen will never be equal if they get offended over this. They get offended for the wrong reasons too, they either want to be on TV or sue someone for money. You never see on television oh a black dude called a white guy a cracker. but the moment its something involving the "N" word its on TV or something.
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