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On May 05 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in? It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny. Again with this "disgrace to the community" bullshit. I don't feel like he's a disgrace. Nor do a whole shitload of people both on this forum and on others. Does that make us somehow not part of the community?
No, you're not, because you don't represent us on such a grand stage. You're just an observer who happens to not care about hate speech very much. But you don't represent major sponsors or major teams. You don't serve as a means to convey our community to outsiders. There are always going to be all sorts of people in the community, which is great, but the people who represent us should not be people who behave like Destiny. As I said before, e-sports is gaining a lot of "real world" attention. Fact is, a vast majority of people would not find Destiny very appropriate.
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On May 05 2012 01:19 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:12 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:09 m2e wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. Little Robert (14 years old) shot up a school today! His parents and the media blame his actions on the new Call of Duty video game and say this would of never happened if the game wasn't created! (ignoring the fact that it has a mature 18+ rating on it and that they might of just been bad parents or an underlying psychological condition might of been affecting their son which caused him to do this). We live in the age of defering blame to others now. No one can accept fault for their actions or mistakes, it HAS TO BE someone elses fault. When some moron stumbles on to destiny's stream and gets offended, it's destinys fault and not their own even though there's warnings posted by destiny letting you know about the mature language and possibility to be offended. I think you have it the wrong way around. Destiny should take responsibility for his actions. Just because it has an explicit warning doesn't mean anything goes. You can't use a warning as a way to commit heinous acts (as mentioned previously, using racial slurs is a crime in many places in the world) Well an explicit warning doesn't work for this because there's laws about murdering people, there is no law about using harsh language, hell its freedom of speech. I'm not black but if I was I would get over the fact of people calling me a Nigger. Countrymen will never be equal if they get offended over this. They get offended for the wrong reasons too, they either want to be on TV or sue someone for money. You never see on television oh a black dude called a white guy a cracker. but the moment its something involving the "N" word its on TV or something.
There are laws about using racist language. That's why people like John Terry are charged for federal crimes.
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On May 05 2012 01:15 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:13 Tektos wrote:
Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.
If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.
Thank you for literally killing e-sports. By eliminating people like Destiny, we're helping e-sports. People like Destiny put forth a horrendous image to the outside world. Don't forget that plenty of events, such as DH and MLG, have already been featured on public television. e-sports isn't some underground operation like the FGC has. We're growing and becoming more exposed to the outside world. Destiny was a liability.
No you are not.You're only killing sc2.The outside world wants to see internet type of entertainment aka bm.
'Destiny was a liability'
the only liability is you for transforming sc2 in an irrelevant esport with little ratings
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Good move Quantic. Glad to see Destiny go and I hope he never gets another sponsor. Destiny is toxic, not the people who speak out against actions like his.
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I dont get the unlisted stream... what has this come to ... heh
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On May 04 2012 23:32 AnalThermometer wrote:
Isn't your argument a little ironic? The people disagreeing with Destiny's choice of words are most likely the ones considering the global community first, you know.. like communities which happens to have a lot of "Asians". Out of interest, do you think the Korean/Chinese/etc SC2 community's opinion of TeamLiquid and foreign SC2 in general would be viewed more or less positively if they heard Destiny had been dropped for saying those things?
Well, in my opinion if someone gets abused and it doesn't directly hurt you, you shouldn't take any extreme actions (and mailing sponsors is an extreme response). Sure, feel free to post on TL, mail Quantic or Destiny, but I don't think reacting by contacting sponsors is the right way to go (if you aren't the one directly offended and I don't think that all people that mailed Razer were Asian). Nothing gives you the right to do so. To be honest I don't think there is any situation that justifies contacting sponsors, except maybe tournaments/teams that refuse to pay players.
I don't really care about Destiny and his "career", but I would love if people looked at the big picture before doing something.
I also wish the community would spend the same amount of energy on helping esports grow as on creating drama.
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On May 05 2012 01:15 gotnerd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:10 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. If you were to poll the united states, what % of individuals do you think would classify gook as a hateful term? It doesn't matter that its his own stream, he was representing a team. He had logos and crap all over his stream. By doing so, he became accountable to other people. He was not independent. Now he is. I'll agree with that, when in representation of a team, sponsors, and anyone else he should be held accountable, and he should have just apologized over the situation, however, regardless of sponsors or a team, the offended should have simply said I'm offended, destiny makes public apology, and whole ordeal is over, not apologizing was very childish and unprofessional yes, but he was streaming, he was not in a professional surrounding, and that's why my original post was said of who the hell cares.
When you work for a company as a player, what you do as a player is a professional event. He was paid by sponsors to do what he was doing at the time of using racial slurs. Its not like he normally goes into an office to do his work stuff, then goes home for personal time. His gaming was his job and was his tie to sponsors. That time is when he used the racial slurs. Its appropriate to treat the event as a professional event. Razer's logo was just sitting right there as he was saying this stuff.
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On May 05 2012 01:21 GreenFaction wrote:
Good move Quantic. Glad to see Destiny go and I hope he never gets another sponsor. Destiny is toxic, not the people who speak out against actions like his.
All generalizations are false, including this one --Mark Twain
Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
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I think we need to make a new TL rule. If you say "you're hurting esports" (on either side of an argument) you officially have nothing to contribute to the discussion and deserve a warning/ban.
Seriously, that phrase has gotten so trite and meaningless now. Let's make real arguments people.
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On May 05 2012 01:20 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:19 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:12 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:09 m2e wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. Little Robert (14 years old) shot up a school today! His parents and the media blame his actions on the new Call of Duty video game and say this would of never happened if the game wasn't created! (ignoring the fact that it has a mature 18+ rating on it and that they might of just been bad parents or an underlying psychological condition might of been affecting their son which caused him to do this). We live in the age of defering blame to others now. No one can accept fault for their actions or mistakes, it HAS TO BE someone elses fault. When some moron stumbles on to destiny's stream and gets offended, it's destinys fault and not their own even though there's warnings posted by destiny letting you know about the mature language and possibility to be offended. I think you have it the wrong way around. Destiny should take responsibility for his actions. Just because it has an explicit warning doesn't mean anything goes. You can't use a warning as a way to commit heinous acts (as mentioned previously, using racial slurs is a crime in many places in the world) Well an explicit warning doesn't work for this because there's laws about murdering people, there is no law about using harsh language, hell its freedom of speech. I'm not black but if I was I would get over the fact of people calling me a Nigger. Countrymen will never be equal if they get offended over this. They get offended for the wrong reasons too, they either want to be on TV or sue someone for money. You never see on television oh a black dude called a white guy a cracker. but the moment its something involving the "N" word its on TV or something. There are laws about using racist language. That's why people like John Terry are charged for federal crimes.
Has John Terry been kicked out of the team yet?Footballers commit crimes and go to prison and they still get the same salary and the same team support
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On May 05 2012 01:17 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in? It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny. Again with this "disgrace to the community" bullshit. I don't feel like he's a disgrace. Nor do a whole shitload of people both on this forum and on others. Does that make us somehow not part of the community? There are also people that believe the KKK is a good organization, but socially racist language isn't typically accepted.
Don't you think being unfazed by the use of the word 'gook' versus seeing it as a hate crime is a little different than being a KKK-apologist versus thinking everyone deserves equal rights?
It's not "typically" accepted because there are always going to be blow-hards who make a big fuss. Look at when some rather sensible Americans opted to build a Mosque somewhere near the WTC ground zero. There was such an uproar from a minuscule part of the nation that any foreigner (and I am one) would have thought that the entire nation was against it, despite most people being ultimately supportive or indifferent in actual fact. Similarly, just because every time someone says something "offensive" and it makes the news and there's a big uproar, it doesn't mean people all over the world care; it just means that the people who do care are very loud.
Not that this detracts from your position per se, as there's a very vocal minority who thinks that, say, we should be helping starving Africans, but nevertheless, it would be ridiculous to say the general populace cares at all.
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On May 05 2012 01:20 jemoijemoi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:15 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:13 Tektos wrote:
Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.
If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.
Thank you for literally killing e-sports. By eliminating people like Destiny, we're helping e-sports. People like Destiny put forth a horrendous image to the outside world. Don't forget that plenty of events, such as DH and MLG, have already been featured on public television. e-sports isn't some underground operation like the FGC has. We're growing and becoming more exposed to the outside world. Destiny was a liability. No you are not.You're only killing sc2.The outside world wants to see internet type of entertainment aka bm. 'Destiny was a liability' the only liability is you for transforming sc2 in an irrelevant esport with little ratings
How many TV shows do you tune into with a guy insulting someone else by calling them a gook? How many times do you see a news reporter jokingly call someone a gook?
Makes you wonder why!
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On May 05 2012 01:20 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:19 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:12 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:09 m2e wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. Little Robert (14 years old) shot up a school today! His parents and the media blame his actions on the new Call of Duty video game and say this would of never happened if the game wasn't created! (ignoring the fact that it has a mature 18+ rating on it and that they might of just been bad parents or an underlying psychological condition might of been affecting their son which caused him to do this). We live in the age of defering blame to others now. No one can accept fault for their actions or mistakes, it HAS TO BE someone elses fault. When some moron stumbles on to destiny's stream and gets offended, it's destinys fault and not their own even though there's warnings posted by destiny letting you know about the mature language and possibility to be offended. I think you have it the wrong way around. Destiny should take responsibility for his actions. Just because it has an explicit warning doesn't mean anything goes. You can't use a warning as a way to commit heinous acts (as mentioned previously, using racial slurs is a crime in many places in the world) Well an explicit warning doesn't work for this because there's laws about murdering people, there is no law about using harsh language, hell its freedom of speech. I'm not black but if I was I would get over the fact of people calling me a Nigger. Countrymen will never be equal if they get offended over this. They get offended for the wrong reasons too, they either want to be on TV or sue someone for money. You never see on television oh a black dude called a white guy a cracker. but the moment its something involving the "N" word its on TV or something. There are laws about using racist language. That's why people like John Terry are charged for federal crimes.
It is a matter of hot debate whether these laws should actually exist, or if their scope is too broad.
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Can't wait 'til professionalism is considered: "you can act how you normally act." Its why I don't go to church. Its all one big manipulation of a person. You have to cover up the way you normally would be.
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On May 05 2012 01:23 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:17 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in? It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny. Again with this "disgrace to the community" bullshit. I don't feel like he's a disgrace. Nor do a whole shitload of people both on this forum and on others. Does that make us somehow not part of the community? There are also people that believe the KKK is a good organization, but socially racist language isn't typically accepted. Don't you think being unfazed by the use of the word 'gook' versus seeing it as a hate crime is a little different than being a KKK-apologist versus thinking everyone deserves equal rights? It's not "typically" accepted because there are always going to be blow-hards who make a big fuss. Look at when some rather sensible Americans opted to build a Mosque somewhere near the WTC ground zero. There was such an uproar from a minuscule part of the nation that any foreigner (and I am one) would have thought that the entire nation was against it, despite most people being ultimately supportive or indifferent in actual fact. Similarly, just because every time someone says something "offensive" and it makes the news and there's a big uproar, it doesn't mean people all over the world care; it just means that the people who do care are very loud.
I don't see much difference between thinking "gook" is ok and being an apologist for the KKK. Both are fundamentally racist.
There were enough people who cared to make Razer get involved. There were enough people who cared to make EG take action. It's not just a "vocal minority." A significant portion of the community does not approve of this behavior.
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On May 05 2012 01:20 jemoijemoi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:15 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:13 Tektos wrote:
Biting the hand that feeds you. These companies insert money into the community... complaining to them ruins it for everyone as a whole in order to push your own political/social ideologies.
If you have a problem with a person's behavior take it up with the person themselves or their team, not the fucking sponsors.
Thank you for literally killing e-sports. By eliminating people like Destiny, we're helping e-sports. People like Destiny put forth a horrendous image to the outside world. Don't forget that plenty of events, such as DH and MLG, have already been featured on public television. e-sports isn't some underground operation like the FGC has. We're growing and becoming more exposed to the outside world. Destiny was a liability. No you are not.You're only killing sc2.The outside world wants to see internet type of entertainment aka bm. 'Destiny was a liability' the only liability is you for transforming sc2 in an irrelevant esport with little ratings
A nonentity in the community outside of his stream and small rabid fanbase, who has almost no exposure outside of his stream thanks to his lack of results, leaves his team via mutual decision by both sides and the SC2 community is being killed. SC2 is being transformed into an irrelevant esport with little ratings because a nonentity is no longer on the team he never did anything for anyway. Okay.
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On May 04 2012 16:01 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 15:58 MHT wrote:
Were about to kill ourselves guys, just stop it with these witchhunts. Or people could stop saying nigger as a pejorative. Why is it the communities problem? SC2 is going mainstream people. We are going to need to clear the up gaming culture. These are the growing pains.
With a community like this it isn't going anywhere. Luckily TL is only a minor part of the SC community.
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On May 05 2012 01:25 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:23 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 01:17 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2012 01:11 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:08 FairForever wrote:On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards. It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams. okay, but now that he's off the team, I hope no one gives two shits about what he says. If anyone should care it should be Own3d.tv but they haven't done anything yet, maybe they like the viewers he brings in? It was a big deal before because he was basically a disgrace to the community by being a sponsored player, sharing a team with Naniwa and SaSe. At this point, he's just another flamer. I don't think anyone will pay him any mind at this point. He's become irrelevant. I believe he has the right to stream whatever he wants, but when you have sponsors, shit changes. I believe a sponsor-less lifestyle is the best for Destiny. Again with this "disgrace to the community" bullshit. I don't feel like he's a disgrace. Nor do a whole shitload of people both on this forum and on others. Does that make us somehow not part of the community? There are also people that believe the KKK is a good organization, but socially racist language isn't typically accepted. Don't you think being unfazed by the use of the word 'gook' versus seeing it as a hate crime is a little different than being a KKK-apologist versus thinking everyone deserves equal rights? It's not "typically" accepted because there are always going to be blow-hards who make a big fuss. Look at when some rather sensible Americans opted to build a Mosque somewhere near the WTC ground zero. There was such an uproar from a minuscule part of the nation that any foreigner (and I am one) would have thought that the entire nation was against it, despite most people being ultimately supportive or indifferent in actual fact. Similarly, just because every time someone says something "offensive" and it makes the news and there's a big uproar, it doesn't mean people all over the world care; it just means that the people who do care are very loud. There were enough people who cared to make Razer get involved. There were enough people who cared to make EG take action. It's not just a "vocal minority." A significant portion of the community does not approve of this behavior.
Since when were minorities insignificant? I didn't mean to suggest they were (it would smack of puns and irony for the opponents of hate speech to argue this, though). I just want to clear up this business of Destiny being ousted by "the community" qua community. He was ousted by a fragment, significant or otherwise, and almost certainly not the majority. I don't wish to be lumped in with the people who complain to sponsors when they hear something they don't like from a player they have no stake in.
And, with respect, you have no credibility whatsoever if you think being sympathetic to the KKK implies the same attitude toward minorities as thinking use of the word 'gook' is forgivable. That's biting the bullet if I ever saw it, though, so grats on having some balls. I'm having trouble understanding how thinking use of a word is okay is "fundamentally" racist. The best you'd be able to prove is that it's incidentally or superficially so. Even the most elementary analysis of the personalities of people who casually use the word demonstrates this.
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