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On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the move Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases.
Oh Dis guy, so right.
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On May 05 2012 01:00 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:58 Stringy wrote:On May 05 2012 00:52 SenorChang wrote:On May 05 2012 00:47 Stringy wrote:
What I find amusing about this is most of these people e-mailing sponsors because their so mature are also the ones wanting to see eSports on TV and in the main stream and this isn't much more then a red flag to stay away. I'm perfectly fine with eSports not growing at all, I enjoy the competition of playing RTS and thats enough for me. If you kids want to play neighboorhood watch and go looking for trouble, have fun but your not going to get much out of it, ask Zimmerman how thats working out for him. If you're going to talk down to people, at least do it right ;\ Thanks, can I just PM you all my posts before I submit them from now on? If you want, don't expect a response if they're all that bad though.
Just spellcheck thx :D
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On May 05 2012 01:00 m2e wrote:something i had posted on another forum:Show nested quote +
its just reddit being reddit.
the /r/starcraft community is the worst thing to ever happen to starcraft (and would of been the worst thing to ever happen to bw if it was around during its time). they're all a bunch awful fucking people who don't think about the impact and consequences that their little "boycott" will have on SC2 days, months or even years from now.
/r/starcraft is made up of a bunch of pitchfork wielding, witch hunting, tight assed little cunts who believe their personal opinion is the only right answer to anything and if you dont share their collective opinion or share the same train of thought as them or act differently or without care or try to dismiss them and their presence or "power", they will do their best to ruin you. the collective narcissism that reddit posses is second to none as far as online communities go and its honestly fucking scary that these kids can quickly and efficiently influence million dollar companies who are genuinely interested in this scene within hours to the point where you can dismantle teams, ruin players, and ruin reputations all within 24 hours or less
the BEST thing that could happen to the SC2 "esports" community would be for /r/starcraft to shut down and nothing like it to ever be recreated. the stupidity, arrogance and general stupidity spewed by that subreddit is something i dont think ive ever seen before and something i never want to see happen to any other community thats trying to grow simply because too much power lies within the hands of mouth-breathing idiots.
yes i know ill probably get banned or something for posting that but its seriously fucking ridiculous that the reddit community is going after sponsors and players livelyhood simply because they dont agree with their message or opinions.
IIRC the thread was started on TL, not reddit, and probably started the hornet's nest. not saying or defending them, but you can't blame everything on /r/starcraft.
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On May 05 2012 00:39 grobo wrote:
I have nothing particular against the guy, but i can't say i'm not surprised.
Yes, man. It is all very predictable. The responses of people should be predictable for people like Destiny by now as well. Everything is a wash. The people who email sponsors have a lot of power and that fact is unlikely to change. I think over time we will see less of this as a result, but I don't really know.
I suppose you can say that Destiny derives more utility out of perpetuating his behavior and getting punished for it than ceasing it. Emotional words seem to mean as much to him as anyone else. Both sides, though, are extremely sensitive, so it might be hard to say if there will be less of racial language, especially because it is a fleeting surge of emotion that people get punished for. In Destiny's case, it's not fleeting, but sustained. Individuals with his behavior who aren't as popular as he is have a tiny chance in succeeding in SC2.
Even if it is fleeting emotion, I think it can be controlled. People just need to weigh the cost getting punished versus the benefits of typing things that members of society, not just gamers (for instance, most people won't think getting called a newb or a scrub is offensive), find offensive.
The rate of racial language will, I think, because of Orb and Destiny, decrease among professionals and increase among non-professional who play the game.
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On May 05 2012 01:03 quantumslip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:00 m2e wrote:something i had posted on another forum:
its just reddit being reddit.
the /r/starcraft community is the worst thing to ever happen to starcraft (and would of been the worst thing to ever happen to bw if it was around during its time). they're all a bunch awful fucking people who don't think about the impact and consequences that their little "boycott" will have on SC2 days, months or even years from now.
/r/starcraft is made up of a bunch of pitchfork wielding, witch hunting, tight assed little cunts who believe their personal opinion is the only right answer to anything and if you dont share their collective opinion or share the same train of thought as them or act differently or without care or try to dismiss them and their presence or "power", they will do their best to ruin you. the collective narcissism that reddit posses is second to none as far as online communities go and its honestly fucking scary that these kids can quickly and efficiently influence million dollar companies who are genuinely interested in this scene within hours to the point where you can dismantle teams, ruin players, and ruin reputations all within 24 hours or less
the BEST thing that could happen to the SC2 "esports" community would be for /r/starcraft to shut down and nothing like it to ever be recreated. the stupidity, arrogance and general stupidity spewed by that subreddit is something i dont think ive ever seen before and something i never want to see happen to any other community thats trying to grow simply because too much power lies within the hands of mouth-breathing idiots.
yes i know ill probably get banned or something for posting that but its seriously fucking ridiculous that the reddit community is going after sponsors and players livelyhood simply because they dont agree with their message or opinions. IIRC the thread was started on TL, not reddit, and probably started the hornet's nest. not saying or defending them, but you can't blame everything on /r/starcraft.
Yes the thread was started on TL but the idea to go after sponsors was brought up on reddit. This isint the first time the hive-mind of reddit has come up with the brilliant idea to chastise a team or their sponsors because they didn't agree with a player's actions.
TL keeps all that kind of BS in check and makes sure shit doesn't get out of control while on reddit it runs wild and unchecked and it's seriously fucking disgusting.
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On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the movie Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases.
Single post, joined today, posting like a child in support of Destiny? Think we've got ourselves a ban dodger, lol.
On May 05 2012 01:05 m2e wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:03 quantumslip wrote:On May 05 2012 01:00 m2e wrote:something i had posted on another forum:
its just reddit being reddit.
the /r/starcraft community is the worst thing to ever happen to starcraft (and would of been the worst thing to ever happen to bw if it was around during its time). they're all a bunch awful fucking people who don't think about the impact and consequences that their little "boycott" will have on SC2 days, months or even years from now.
/r/starcraft is made up of a bunch of pitchfork wielding, witch hunting, tight assed little cunts who believe their personal opinion is the only right answer to anything and if you dont share their collective opinion or share the same train of thought as them or act differently or without care or try to dismiss them and their presence or "power", they will do their best to ruin you. the collective narcissism that reddit posses is second to none as far as online communities go and its honestly fucking scary that these kids can quickly and efficiently influence million dollar companies who are genuinely interested in this scene within hours to the point where you can dismantle teams, ruin players, and ruin reputations all within 24 hours or less
the BEST thing that could happen to the SC2 "esports" community would be for /r/starcraft to shut down and nothing like it to ever be recreated. the stupidity, arrogance and general stupidity spewed by that subreddit is something i dont think ive ever seen before and something i never want to see happen to any other community thats trying to grow simply because too much power lies within the hands of mouth-breathing idiots.
yes i know ill probably get banned or something for posting that but its seriously fucking ridiculous that the reddit community is going after sponsors and players livelyhood simply because they dont agree with their message or opinions. IIRC the thread was started on TL, not reddit, and probably started the hornet's nest. not saying or defending them, but you can't blame everything on /r/starcraft. Yes the thread was started on TL but the idea to go after sponsors was brought up on reddit. This isint the first time the hive-mind of reddit has come up with the brilliant idea to chastise a team or their sponsors because they didn't agree with a player's actions. TL keeps all that kind of BS in check while on reddit it runs wild and it's seriously fucking disgusting.
People aren't targeting the team, they clearly targeted the player. If Quantic kept housing Destiny, of course its gonna hurt Quantic. But at this point, I think it reflects well on them. I understand that its hard for the late teens posters on this forum to understand, but this sort of thing shouldn't have happened to begin with. Destiny was around a lot longer than he should have been. He's a child in an adult's body who is so self-obsessed that he can't take a moment to think he might be wrong about this whole "free speech" to justify racist and other harsh language. He'll figure it out some day, I'm sure. The younger posters on this forum should realize this is a consistent trend and that there just might be a reason for it.
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On May 05 2012 01:01 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the move Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases. Oh Dis guy, so right.
If you can't find the word nigger, a word used for more than a hundred years to demean an entire group of people, funny, you might as well not use your computer. You heard it here first guys.
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On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please.
Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards.
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On May 05 2012 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the movie Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases. Single post, joined today, posting like a child in support of Destiny? Think we've got ourselves a ban dodger, lol.
What's your problem?
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On May 05 2012 01:01 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the move Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases. Oh Dis guy, so right.
Oh that guy is also overreacting. "See how cool I am. I'm ranting on the internet."
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On May 05 2012 01:06 Heouf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:01 skrzmark wrote:On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the move Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases. Oh Dis guy, so right. Oh that guy is also overreacting. "See how cool I am. I'm ranting on the internet."
makes you look like a douche, lol.
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On May 05 2012 00:39 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:27 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:22 RageBot wrote:On May 05 2012 00:10 b0mBerMan wrote:
This kinds of thread reminds me of the general immaturity of the "community". ESports is a bubble, there is no real community here, just a mob of people hoping on the bandwagon and doing what everyone in the comfort of anonimity of the internet does. Disappointing. Yeah, i'll also bet that 99% of the people posting here have never actually spoke to a person from school, work or whatever about SC2, and only to people who they know for certain will "understand", all the while talking about "growing esports" while doing absolutely nothing. There is a minor portion of the sc2 community who think by eliminating popular casters would make esports grow.We have a handfull of players who average above 1k viewers,lol has 3 times the viewercount and foreigners barely even make the final stages of any tournament.Yep good plan to grow esports I am actually less concerned about 'growing e-sports' than I am being apart of a community that I can be proud of. Why would I tell friends to get involved in a community that tolerates and encourages the use of racist/bigotted language? I would rather the community shrink and mature than grow and stay in its current form. Of course, if it could grow and mature together, that would be ideal, but I have my doubts. I don't wish anyone ill and I'm not out to ruin anyone's career and I'd love to never see another incident like this again, but if these incidents help the community to grow up and mature, then I think it is ultimately a good thing. 'Growing E-sports' isn't just about numbers - that is very short sighted. It's about making a sustainable industry and community and not just tagging onto something that will rise only to crash and burn at a later time.
Each to their own I guess, I am more interested in a community surrounding absolute best quality of competition of Starcraft games where the players with the most skill have the best opportunity to demonstrate it against each other. I would be content watching if all the players were prisoners in maximum security prisons convicted for rape and murder as long as they were the best. I am not saying Destiny represents the highest level of skill, but the fact that people care more about someone calling someone else a racial slur than preserving the scene (ie sending emails to sponsors) goes against what I feel is most important. If it had been a genuine act of racial discrimination then it would be completely different, in my eyes.
So I suppose this has made me lose faith in the community, because it doesn't stand for what I thought it stood for.
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On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards.
It's his stream, you're right, he can do what he wants, but he also has to accept the consequences for said actions. That is, people may complain (and they have a right to). And if TL decides that racist remarks on his stream aren't acceptable and aren't representative of the community that TL wants to build, they can delist him from their streams.
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On May 05 2012 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:59 gotnerd wrote:
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me there's adult filtering on things, and if you don't like something on the internet you can simply close the window and leave? OMG MIND = BLOWN. Seriously guys? This is a joke. Boohoo someone got offended over some words, not like the guy shot someone and pissed on their dead body. If you can't find humor in anything being said, even if Destiny was serious or not, then simply turn off your computer and walk away. Me personally, I love the movie Gran Torino, and think of that when I think of this entire situation.
On a side note it's Destiny's stream, not anyone elses. He has the authority to do what he damn pleases. Single post, joined today, posting like a child in support of Destiny? Think we've got ourselves a ban dodger, lol.
No, acutally I don't like participating in anything this community has to offer because it's all distasteful raging and just down right sad. I don't give a fuck about destiny, or what he said, but the fact that people are offended by it is a joke, go to any comedic show or turn on the t.v. and watch family guy or southpark, it's all in good humor and if people can't laugh at racism turn it off, end of discussion.
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On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards.
Little Robert (14 years old) shot up a school today! His parents and the media blame his actions on the new Call of Duty video game and say this would of never happened if the game wasn't created! (ignoring the fact that it has a mature 18+ rating on it and that they might of just been bad parents or an underlying psychological condition might of been affecting their son which caused him to do this).
We live in the age of defering blame to others now. No one can accept fault for their actions or mistakes, it HAS TO BE someone elses fault. When some moron stumbles on to destiny's stream and gets offended, it's destinys fault and not their own even though there's warnings posted by destiny letting you know about the mature language and possibility to be offended.
It's seriously fucking sad and makes me kind of wish all of this (the SC2 "community" ) would just go away for good.
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On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards.
Yeah nigger is totally modern, you got me there man.
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On May 04 2012 21:46 Soma Cruz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 21:44 lorkac wrote:On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.
I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.
When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them Except Destiny was not kicked out for insulting people. He was not fired for saying fuck, or ass, or whatever. He was not fired for swearing. He was fired for using bigoted language. He wasn't kicked. He left. And he wasn't using them in a racist context. He was using it interchangably with "moron" (which was a derogatory word for handicapped people) or "STUPID FUCKING CHEESER" I don't see why everyone has to be a hyper sensitive flower in this community. It's really getting old.
Of course he was fires. It is standard MO for corporations to have the employee admit the difference and describe the event as him leaving because he is a liability to the company. Win-win. The company gets good pr, the employee saves humiliation. The opposite is that the company issue a memo, "Hey, we fired X employee for being a dbag." Bad for company. Bad for employee. You see? Read between the lines of what Destiny wrong. The venom is dripping hard and thick.
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On May 05 2012 01:08 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:39 jakethesnake wrote:On May 05 2012 00:27 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:22 RageBot wrote:On May 05 2012 00:10 b0mBerMan wrote:
This kinds of thread reminds me of the general immaturity of the "community". ESports is a bubble, there is no real community here, just a mob of people hoping on the bandwagon and doing what everyone in the comfort of anonimity of the internet does. Disappointing. Yeah, i'll also bet that 99% of the people posting here have never actually spoke to a person from school, work or whatever about SC2, and only to people who they know for certain will "understand", all the while talking about "growing esports" while doing absolutely nothing. There is a minor portion of the sc2 community who think by eliminating popular casters would make esports grow.We have a handfull of players who average above 1k viewers,lol has 3 times the viewercount and foreigners barely even make the final stages of any tournament.Yep good plan to grow esports I am actually less concerned about 'growing e-sports' than I am being apart of a community that I can be proud of. Why would I tell friends to get involved in a community that tolerates and encourages the use of racist/bigotted language? I would rather the community shrink and mature than grow and stay in its current form. Of course, if it could grow and mature together, that would be ideal, but I have my doubts. I don't wish anyone ill and I'm not out to ruin anyone's career and I'd love to never see another incident like this again, but if these incidents help the community to grow up and mature, then I think it is ultimately a good thing. 'Growing E-sports' isn't just about numbers - that is very short sighted. It's about making a sustainable industry and community and not just tagging onto something that will rise only to crash and burn at a later time. Each to their own I guess, I am more interested in a community surrounding absolute best quality of competition of Starcraft games where the players with the most skill have the best opportunity to demonstrate it against each other. I would be content watching if all the players were prisoners in maximum security prisons convicted for rape and murder as long as they were the best. I am not saying Destiny represents the highest level of skill, but the fact that people care more about someone calling someone else a racial slur than preserving the scene (ie sending emails to sponsors) goes against what I feel is most important. If it had been a genuine act of racial discrimination then it would be completely different, in my eyes. So I suppose this has made me lose faith in the community, because it doesn't stand for what I thought it stood for.
That's where we differ. If you only care about the best games why do you care about Destiny? Personality is a huge part of SC2 (that's why Idra and Destiny are so popular). His actions to me are reprehensible and I will not be watching his stream anymore (although I haven't watched since the infestor nerf anyway).
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On May 05 2012 01:05 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 01:00 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 00:58 skrzmark wrote:
It's Destiny's stream he can say whatever he wants to say. If you don't like it don't watch it! Instead you all whined like little bitches. Its like trying a certain food for the first time if you dislike the taste you're most likely not going to try it again. If you don't like the stream don't watch it again. But the fact is you watch the stream because of the words and terms he says. Lol you really expect people to have nothing to say about members of their community using hateful language? Please. Yes, they shouldn't. It shouldn't even be called "hateful language" that's modern language. The reason why he has his viewers is because HIS viewers like his trolling, racism, and demeanor. Did you read his stream description? He warned people that they might get offended by that. Its like when a play has a sign "may have explicit scenes" and then their parents bring their children to the play anyways then complain about it afterwards.
If you were to poll the united states, what % of individuals do you think would classify gook as a hateful term? It doesn't matter that its his own stream, he was representing a team. He had logos and crap all over his stream. By doing so, he became accountable to other people. He was not independent. Now he is.
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Professionalism: What's wrong with it??? It is surprising to me that players who are supported by a team can't behave/act properly to the point where they are basically fired?!? Now I have to suffer because your stream isn't listed??? If I went to work and said the first thing on the top of my head, I'd be fired in 60 seconds flat!!! There's nothing wrong with FILTERING the shit you say, especially when if front of a LIVE audience and your audience is LARGE.
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