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On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:I don't know what world some of you live in. No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions. You should watch some stand up comedy dude. Can someone help me please...
I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.
My little butt is so hurt by this. This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here ) Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability.
You do realize insults are based off a characteristic (real or assumed) of the targeted person?
Why don't you just come out and say you feel insults should be banned.
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On May 04 2012 23:10 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement. True story sadly.
True story!
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People who believe that Destiny is racist ... I do not know, I lost faith in humanity and his understanding.
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nice to hear that our emails had an effect
bm, troll insult all day long but as soon as nazi comments come into the play it has to stop
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I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic.
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On May 04 2012 23:12 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:11 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 Vega62a wrote:On May 04 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired? Actually nice of you to bring this up. Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder. So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable. thanks for asking. I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors? I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it). The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan". Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes. i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them. if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid. and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him. if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen. if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help. and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head. ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times. the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this. if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful You should absolutely feel ashamed for emailing Razer, and the fact that you don't means that you didn't read the OP.
But it would be devastating to certain parts of Quantic if things continued down this road (and still might be, though there's not much that can be done at this point).
You didn't get Destiny fired. He and Quantic parted ways on their own. All you did was hurt a team that has done a great deal for esports. Because you reacted before you thought, you did more harm than good. Destiny did get fired. Destiny is obviously angry in the post he made. He is just trying to cover up the fact he was fired. Plently of people irl have been fired but then it has become a 'mutual arrangement' in the public domain. Is there a point to discussing this with you when you immediately assume that somebody you disagree with is lying? The point is that you could have achieved the same outcome (Destiny losing his team) without harming Quantic. Please address this.
Is there a point to discussing this with you when you immediately assume that somebody like destiny is telling the truth? Given his track record, i wouldn't believe him.
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On May 04 2012 23:16 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:15 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:10 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:08 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:I don't know what world some of you live in. No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions. You should watch some stand up comedy dude. Can someone help me please...
I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.
My little butt is so hurt by this. This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here ) Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? He should prolly learn how to stop a cannon rush before he types another word. Non sequitur buddie. Really? If he stopped this cannon rush, none of this would have happened. Because the terran he played threw up a bunch of photon cannons....
ROFL touche, I dun goofed.
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On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed
Lol wtf?
where do you guys live? Leave your PC for a second, there is a real world outside where people die of hunger, raped or murder.
Some guy getting pissed at a computer game and saying some stupid shit doesn't deserve to have this kind of attention, nor emails to sponsors.
How much shit does Real madrid get for Ronaldo? or the lakers for ron artest? or manchester city with Balotelli? Thousands of emails right? Do they fire them?
No because we are talking about a minority and about millions of € or $ ..
People get fired in eSports because they are all fighting for scraps..
Yes destiny might have said a few racist comments, but he is playing a game it's not like he is a public figure for anything really important! He is just a random guy playing a game...
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Why isn't this on community news?
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On May 04 2012 23:18 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:10 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement. True story sadly. True story!
Do you maybe want to answer to my response after insulting me for not having respect for other races or do you stay true to your ignorance and dodge it?
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On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:I don't know what world some of you live in. No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions. You should watch some stand up comedy dude. Can someone help me please...
I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.
My little butt is so hurt by this. This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here ) Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability. Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too?
I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man!
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edit: nvm, nobody is bothering to address the issue of contacting sponsors hurting Quantic.
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The only good thing in this situation is the fact that Razer will never leave esports, mostly because it is a company based on it.
Besides that, it is fuckin riddiculous. "Oh my god, he called someone a bad name that had something to do with his race, oh noeeeees, that is terrible". Seriously guys, get fuckin real. Esports community is global so stop treating it with your own standards. The fact that in your countries political correctness is so fuckin hilarious doesn't really apply to everyone. Who the fuck gives you the right to speak for the community? SC2 community is not located in the US or UK.
"I emailed sponsors, I fight racism", no idiot, you don't. You ruin everything esports community is building. How mailing sponsors about stuff like this is fighting racism? Were you the one that got directly abused? Guess not. So it is not your fuckin bussiness.
I hope that if you see someone in the street that calles other guy a nigger, you instantly mail his employer about this, just in case. And if a football player calls other player a nigger you instantly mail team's sponsors about this fact.
Why do I think this all political correctness is a joke? Plenty of LoL and SC2 players call other people on streams retards, idiots and all kinds of different, offensive names. And it is fine, no one cares. But try calling someone a nigger and a shitstorm rises. Pathetic.
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On May 04 2012 23:21 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:I don't know what world some of you live in. No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions. You should watch some stand up comedy dude. Can someone help me please...
I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.
My little butt is so hurt by this. This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here ) Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability. Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too? I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man!
No because I enjoy it, like many others. If people don't like watching streams with profanity you don't have to.
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On May 04 2012 23:21 probob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:18 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:10 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement. True story sadly. True story! Do you maybe want to answer to my response after insulting me for not having respect for other races or do you stay true to your ignorance and dodge it?
You clearly don't have a concept of how the world works. If you think racist comments are good for esports, then we have nothing to discuss. Good day sir.
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On May 04 2012 23:23 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:21 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:I don't know what world some of you live in. No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions. You should watch some stand up comedy dude. Can someone help me please...
I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.
My little butt is so hurt by this. This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here ) Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability. Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too? I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man! No because I enjoy it, like many others. If people don't like watching streams with profanity you don't have to.
Yeah that's why i don't! I watch stephano stream. Funny how stephano doesn't need profanity to draw in a ton of viewers. He can get viewers by being funny and with good skills and commentary. A real professional progamer. Destiny needs to learn a few things from stephano about managing the public.
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On May 04 2012 23:15 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:14 ShiNwave wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 Vega62a wrote:On May 04 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired? Actually nice of you to bring this up. Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder. So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable. thanks for asking. I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors? I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it). The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan". Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes. i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them. if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid. and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him. if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen. if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help. and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head. ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times. the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this. if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful You should absolutely feel ashamed for emailing Razer, and the fact that you don't means that you didn't read the OP.
But it would be devastating to certain parts of Quantic if things continued down this road (and still might be, though there's not much that can be done at this point).
You didn't get Destiny fired. He and Quantic parted ways on their own. All you did was hurt a team that has done a great deal for esports. Because you reacted before you thought, you did more harm than good. If you seriously think he "parted ways cordially" with Quantic, you're obviously mistaken. The fact that this issue came about up to the point that he had to leave the team means that it was a Serious talk. i.e. Quantic said "Look, sort your act out... we're hurting because we're a professional organisation and your non-pc language isn't pleasing sponsors" That is 100% not the point of my post. I could say he was fired, or chased out with a baseball bat, and the point would be the same. The point is that your desired outcome (him being punished for his language) could have been achieved without contacting sponsors, and therefore without harming Quantic.
a) I sincerely hope people will learn from this. You cannot expect to be repping a professional organisation and expect to get away with any behaviour you'd like. It's similar to wearing Jeans as a doctor - it's just unprofessional behaviour. If you're in a position in society which requires you to act in a certain mould, don't forget that.
b) How would this have been resolved without harming Quantic in some way? Explain please - he was on their roster, he was using expletive language? Contacting sponsors I'd say is the good thing in the long term - now professional teams will enforce certain rules on their players. i.e. Teams (and players) will take this on board, and no such event will happen in the future.
c) I think that Quantic have shown their professionalism. When sponsors contact them and they say "Yes, we had a rogue, but we cut ties even though he was popular within the community", I think this shows that the organisation has integrity. If I were working for razer, and I saw that this organisation I was sponsoring was condoning this behaviour, I would have cut ties altogether.
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On May 04 2012 23:11 zergmacro34 wrote:
ok guys, who's next?
I think a good candidate is the first guy in the original thread who posted his Email template for others to copy and send to Razer.
Or hey, the original guy who started the "Destiny BM'd me" qq thread! One could say that by damaging one of the biggest teams in eSports, he deserves to be pitchforked more than anyone else!
It was...
[Posting his name would ruin my satire]
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On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
we are lynching people, without due process.
What due process do you want exactly? Destiny called a Korean player a gook. There's no debate, no mistaken identity. Destiny used a racial slur against someone of that race. It's a racist action. Destiny loves to argue for context. The context is that Destiny called a Korean a gook, a derogatory term for a Korean.
There's not much room for extra context here. Destiny knew the guy was Korean. He called him a gook because of this. Arguing about whether that's racist is idiotic.
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On May 04 2012 23:15 PeZuY wrote:idra is a decent candinate, how about?
no i like idra
we need an outlying, disliked, controversial and/or rebellious figure (that isn't idra)
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