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On May 04 2012 21:19 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 21:12 Ighox wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:On May 04 2012 15:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
What a wonderfully toxic community. How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed Not by you. I guess this is one of the positive sides of KeSPA, they're being serious esports-police and that is much better than a bunch of whiny people emailing sponsors to flame the player they hate. Kespa gave a match loss because when someone asked to pause the game he typed ppp instead of pp. If they were that harsh on a pause then Destiny wouldn't even be remotely close to be considered a programmer. If Kespa handled Destiny it would have been swifter and harsher than anything SC2 fanboys have done.
But it would have been done professionally, and not by an email with the subject saying "HERP DERP" or something really fucking retarded like these poor sponsors must have received.
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This thread is going no-where. It's just beating a dead horse, over and over and over. This thread has outlived any useful discussion and should be closed. The same arguments keep coming up, page after page. It's annoying more than anything now.
Can't really say that this thread was destined for greatness.
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Australia796 Posts
On May 04 2012 23:19 babbaj wrote:
People who believe that Destiny is racist ... I do not know, I lost faith in humanity and his understanding.
I don't believe that Destiny is racist. I also don't believe that the racist language he uses has any place in this community. I understand his position on the power of words, but I disagree with it.
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On May 04 2012 23:19 noidontthinkso wrote:
nice to hear that our emails had an effect
bm, troll insult all day long but as soon as nazi comments come into the play it has to stop
Please explain why insults are fine as long they're not racial insults.
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This is a good day for esports!@!!!!!!
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On May 04 2012 23:23 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:21 probob wrote:On May 04 2012 23:18 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:10 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement. True story sadly. True story! Do you maybe want to answer to my response after insulting me for not having respect for other races or do you stay true to your ignorance and dodge it? You clearly don't have a concept of how the world works. If you think racist comments are good for esports, then we have nothing to discuss. Good day sir.
ROFL did you even read my response? Where did I say anything even about eSports in it? Your insulting me all the time while I bring arguments you dont even read them. You didnt even read it lol. Have some respect for other posters. I never said anything like that. And besides that you fail at reading comprehension of the responses you actually (try?) to read. Can you even read?
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"eSports" is being strangled to death by these people who claim every fucking thing they do is "for the good of it".
The amount of white-knighting cowards who make shit like this happen makes me ashamed to be part of this community. It really makes me think that in the end, perhaps games should stay games, and that "legitimizing" them may not be a good direction for competitive gaming. I never even fathomed the idea of myself being against the growth of eSports, but there it is.
Still love you though Destiny, hope you never stop streaming <3 keep doing your thing man. Hopefully being team-less will cut out a lot of the bullshit that comes with having an uncensored stream like yours.
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On May 04 2012 23:15 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired? Actually nice of you to bring this up. Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder. So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable. thanks for asking. I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors? I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it). The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan". Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes. i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them. if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid. and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him. if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen. if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help. and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head. ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times. the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this. if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful forcefully imposing your ideology onto others because you cannot change his action is equally disgusting. Not to mention the way you dealt with it is kind of a "backstabbing" action in community's eye
well, if you think that destiny should use the word gook more, then i advise you to email razer and quantic stating that you think its no in common enough usage , and that you wont be supporting them unless its used at least once every time one of there players does anything in public. id also like to point out that im not 'imposing' 'my' ideology, im stating an opinion to a company, as a consumer, which is completely different. don't try to use ridiculously dramatic statements to back up a massively flawed argument. that's like saying 'by voting for X political party, your imposing your beliefs on others'
and with regards to backstabbing, what the fuck are you talking about. if i was good friends with destiny, and hadn't made any comments on the matter, and then i went behind his back to get him kicked off the team, then i would be back stabbing. i guess you could accuse me of 'front stabbing', which would be massively inflating my individual role in this, but at least would make some sense
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you guys are ridiculous.. that is all.. look at yourselfs first
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Stop debating the ethics of language and look at what the idiots who mailed the sponsors have done. I don't understand how people can't see past their internet white-knighting far enough to see that if sponsors keep getting bombarded with these stupid "emergencies" that they are going to get fed up with this and just pull out completely. Whether you're on Destiny's side or not, the masses are going to cripple E-sports by constantly attacking the sponsors with these petty issues. Destiny is one player and whether you like what he says or not, the sponsors care less for E-sports than random people do. Sponsors are in this to make money and if they have to constantly do damage control because our petty community can't handle one guy saying some offensive language, the sponsors will eventually say "fuck this, we're out." Stop trying to white-knight so hard and take a look at what this REALLY did to the community. The sponsors are going to get tired of this and back out.
Edit: And if you are against calling someone "retarded" then half of this board should have their accounts banned and their streams unlisted.
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On May 04 2012 23:28 probob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:23 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:21 probob wrote:On May 04 2012 23:18 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:10 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement. True story sadly. True story! Do you maybe want to answer to my response after insulting me for not having respect for other races or do you stay true to your ignorance and dodge it? You clearly don't have a concept of how the world works. If you think racist comments are good for esports, then we have nothing to discuss. Good day sir. ROFL did you even read my response? Where did I say anything even about eSports in it? Your insulting me all the time while I bring arguments you dont even read them. You didnt even read it lol. Have some respect for other posters. I never said anything like that. And besides that you fail at reading comprehension of the responses you actually (try?) to read. Can you even read?
Wow resorting to personal insults. Maybe you and destiny should stream together 
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On May 04 2012 23:21 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:I don't know what world some of you live in. No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions. You should watch some stand up comedy dude. Can someone help me please...
I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.
My little butt is so hurt by this. This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here ) Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability. Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too? I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man!
And write to their managers, the managers are more likely to be able to handle the issue constructively with the streamer than you writing directly to a streamer. Be clear about why you find the word hurtful. Assume that the streamer did not use the word with the intention of being hurtful. And most importantly, be polite.
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On May 04 2012 23:23 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:23 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:21 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't know what world some of you live in.
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You should watch some stand up comedy dude.
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This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here )
Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left... stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well? Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world). Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple. So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied? No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability. Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too? I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man! No because I enjoy it, like many others. If people don't like watching streams with profanity you don't have to. Yeah that's why i don't! I watch stephano stream. Funny how stephano doesn't need profanity to draw in a ton of viewers. He can get viewers by being funny and with good skills and commentary. A real professional progamer. Destiny needs to learn a few things from stephano about managing the public.
Really? yesterday stephano called hasuobs a nazi and asked him how many jews he killed last night.
Why aren't there threads up already? That was totally racist and shit.
Just for the record, i thought it was fucking funny and i am german.
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On May 04 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired? Actually nice of you to bring this up. Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder. So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable. thanks for asking. I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors? I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it). The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan". Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes. i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them. if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid. and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him. if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen. if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help. and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head. ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times. the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this. if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful
How interesting that you would post this in the brazzers thread:
On April 04 2012 06:58 halfies wrote:
i dont think it would really be a good idea, but only because people act really stupidly about porn.
personally, i wouldnt have a problem with it.
i think that the drunk SOTG episode was way worse than a simple brazzers logo appearing on screen. alcohol ruins way more lives than porn ever has.
Surely a rape simulation site is degrading to women, wouldn't you say? What do you think other sponsors would think about having their name alongside brazzers? Wouldn't esports be impure with brazzers involved?
Why didn't you email razor immediately when Quantic signed destiny? What changed with the public thread that convinced you you need to now email razer immediately? Answer: you were jumping on the bandwagon of drama and mob mentality. You and the others like you jump straight to the logical fallacy of painting this as a false dichotomy, where the only options are emailing the sponsors or accepting that racism is a part of esports. Why couldn't you email Quantic or post on quantic's website? Get off your high horse and admit that your actions were nothing but destructive.
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On May 04 2012 23:29 Terrestrialrage wrote:
Stop debating the ethics of language and look at what the idiots who mailed the sponsors have done. I don't understand how people can't see past their internet white-knighting far enough to see that if sponsors keep getting bombarded with these stupid "emergencies" that they are going to get fed up with this and just pull out completely. Whether you're on Destiny's side or not, the masses are going to cripple E-sports by constantly attacking the sponsors with these petty issues. Destiny is one player and whether you like what he says or not, the sponsors care less for E-sports than random people do. Sponsors are in this to make money and if they have to constantly do damage control because our petty community can't handle one guy saying some offensive language, the sponsors will eventually say "fuck this, we're out." Stop trying to white-knight so hard and take a look at what this REALLY did to the community. The sponsors are going to get tired of this and back out.
Simple solution. Only take talent that doesn't spew racist nonsense. Otherwise there will be consequences.
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I mailed the sponsors! From 8 Different emails, with 8 different well written essay's.....
It worked, we got what we wanted, and it only helped eSports, not hurt it
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On May 04 2012 23:23 CDR wrote:
The only good thing in this situation is the fact that Razer will never leave esports, mostly because it is a company based on it.
Besides that, it is fuckin riddiculous. "Oh my god, he called someone a bad name that had something to do with his race, oh noeeeees, that is terrible". Seriously guys, get fuckin real. Esports community is global so stop treating it with your own standards. The fact that in your countries political correctness is so fuckin hilarious doesn't really apply to everyone. Who the fuck gives you the right to speak for the community? SC2 community is not located in the US or UK.
"I emailed sponsors, I fight racism", no idiot, you don't. You ruin everything esports community is building. How mailing sponsors about stuff like this is fighting racism? Were you the one that got directly abused? Guess not. So it is not your fuckin bussiness.
I hope that if you see someone in the street that calles other guy a nigger, you instantly mail his employer about this, just in case. And if a football player calls other player a nigger you instantly mail team's sponsors about this fact.
Why do I think this all political correctness is a joke? Plenty of LoL and SC2 players call other people on streams retards, idiots and all kinds of different, offensive names. And it is fine, no one cares. But try calling someone a nigger and a shitstorm rises. Pathetic.
Isn't your argument a little ironic? The people disagreeing with Destiny's choice of words are most likely the ones considering the global community first, you know.. like communities which happens to have a lot of "Asians". Out of interest, do you think the Korean/Chinese/etc SC2 community's opinion of TeamLiquid and foreign SC2 in general would be viewed more or less positively if they heard Destiny had been dropped for saying those things?
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Well, I'm sad to say, but I think this is for the better.
For me Destiny never stood for anything good, and running a stream where the biggest reason you're getting viewers is cause you're being a dick? Not a surprise that didn't/wouldn't end well ...
GL to Quantic. I hope Destiny finds a stable line of work, cause he won't be able to live off streaming for a long time, I think.
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personally think its fucking stupid if you dont like his stream and what he says why dont you leave? this community in my eyes is a bunch of pansies shit I miss the days of Tribes 1 and 2 None of the people here would last 1 fucking day on TW.
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On May 04 2012 23:29 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:28 probob wrote:On May 04 2012 23:23 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:21 probob wrote:On May 04 2012 23:18 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:10 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement. True story sadly. True story! Do you maybe want to answer to my response after insulting me for not having respect for other races or do you stay true to your ignorance and dodge it? You clearly don't have a concept of how the world works. If you think racist comments are good for esports, then we have nothing to discuss. Good day sir. ROFL did you even read my response? Where did I say anything even about eSports in it? Your insulting me all the time while I bring arguments you dont even read them. You didnt even read it lol. Have some respect for other posters. I never said anything like that. And besides that you fail at reading comprehension of the responses you actually (try?) to read. Can you even read? Wow resorting to personal insults. Maybe you and destiny should stream together
Ok here we go you insulted me several times before that and still dodge the response, twice now.
Keep dodging and learn to read.
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