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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
May 04 2012 14:05 GMT
#1141
What a child he really is.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
May 04 2012 14:05 GMT
#1142
On May 04 2012 23:03 probob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:59 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:56 Wortie wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:54 revel8 wrote:
Desting got fired for calling someone 'gook' during chat? It's like Orb all over again. You'd think folks would have learnt by now. Racism is not OK. There are repercussions to using racist language.


yeah, because if we don't say the words, the problem doesn't exist. It's not like black people get payed the same because nobody says nigger.


Problems? What problems have koreans given you lately? lol


Maybe try to read that again, the problem is banning the word nigger, does in fact nothing to support black people, because their problems like being payed less/less education wont be solved by any of that. Its just cosmetics.


It actually helps because black gamers won't need to read dumb threads about supposed professional gamers using the word 'ni****' flagrantly. Sc2 has a lot of young gamers. Imagine a black kid who is 10 or 11 reading nonsense like this? it's not appropriate at all. Show some respect for other races.
ShiNwave
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom41 Posts
May 04 2012 14:06 GMT
#1143
The Korean Starcraft scene is alive and kicking. This would be no different to a Korean progamer saying racist/bigoted stuff - would you expect them to get away with it? Quantic is obviously an organisation that has its priorities straight.

People saying "you get rid of all the racism and esports is dead" - Again, look at the Korean scene. Argument invalid.
ShiNwave.944 @ Eu
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 04 2012 14:06 GMT
#1144
On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't know what world some of you live in.

No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions.

You should watch some stand up comedy dude.

Can someone help me please...

I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.

My little butt is so hurt by this.


This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here )
Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left...


stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well?

Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world).


Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple.

Way to totally dodge my question...
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
May 04 2012 14:07 GMT
#1145
On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't know what world some of you live in.

No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions.

You should watch some stand up comedy dude.

Can someone help me please...

I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.

My little butt is so hurt by this.


This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here )
Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left...


stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well?

Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world).


Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple.


So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied?
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1146
On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:
On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired?


Actually nice of you to bring this up.

Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder.

So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable.

thanks for asking.



I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors?

I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it).

The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan".

Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes.

i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them.
if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid.
and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him.
if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen.
if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help.
and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head.
ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times.
the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this.
if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1147
--- Nuked ---
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1148
On May 04 2012 23:03 Resilient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:54 Shiori wrote:
I in no way condone what Destiny said, but I will not be identified as part of a group that tried to ruin a guy's career because they were offended. That's just as malicious, if not more, as what he said. So please, next time you say Destiny got fired because of the "community," be sure to asterisk it and note that only a fraction of the community actually cared enough to personally attack the guy.


I've mostly avoided this drama entirely because I find the community reaction utterly embarrassing, and it's too easy to fall into a warning/ban hole when trying to express this. This post basically sums up how I feel about the situation. Well said.

I feel pretty much the exact same way. Guess I'm done with this thread.
KoRnishon
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland3 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1149
I just wanna remind you guys that Destiny's stream is marked as having a strong language.
Also, this reminds of a Mafia SC2 game, when some Exe tells to lynch someone. Hive-like mind of players then do so just because he said so.
I may be wrong, but i kinda feel like this situation was made possible mostly because of Destiny haters. He has fan boys and haters base, but the first one doesn't email any sponsors.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1150
Still waiting on the kids who emailed sponsors to admit to it in this thread. To all the people saying it's good that Destiny got punished because we need to rid esports of hate speech - why don't you also say, as part of your post, whether you emailed the sponsors. And don't make a new account to do it. Let's see if you're willing to come out of your hiding spot.

Quote this post if you too want to see if they're willing to admit to emailing the sponsors.
dD3s
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany130 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1151
On May 04 2012 15:58 Toons wrote:
Dear starcraft 2 community,
You suck.

Gotta agree with you.
Lately it seems like average age on TL and Reddit(especially) got divided by 2.
Jesus was raptor _||_ "So here is an idea, this map is stupid as fuck(...)" - Destiny
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
May 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1152
On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't know what world some of you live in.

No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions.

You should watch some stand up comedy dude.

Can someone help me please...

I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.

My little butt is so hurt by this.


This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here )
Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left...


stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well?

Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world).


Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple.


So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied?

He should prolly learn how to stop a cannon rush before he types another word.
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
May 04 2012 14:09 GMT
#1153
On May 04 2012 23:08 Doodsmack wrote:
Still waiting on the kids who emailed sponsors to admit to it in this thread. To all the people saying it's good that Destiny got punished because we need to rid esports of hate speech - why don't you also say, as part of your post, whether you emailed the sponsors. And don't make a new account to do it. Let's see if you're willing to come out of your hiding spot.

Quote this post if you too want to see if they're willing to admit to emailing the sponsors.

Read his twitter.
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
jdsowa
Profile Joined March 2011
405 Posts
May 04 2012 14:09 GMT
#1154
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
May 04 2012 14:09 GMT
#1155
On May 04 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:
On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired?


Actually nice of you to bring this up.

Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder.

So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable.

thanks for asking.



I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors?

I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it).

The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan".

Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes.

i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them.
if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid.
and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him.
if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen.
if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help.
and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head.
ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times.
the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this.
if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful


You should absolutely feel ashamed for emailing Razer, and the fact that you don't means that you didn't read the OP.


But it would be devastating to certain parts of Quantic if things continued down this road (and still might be, though there's not much that can be done at this point).


You didn't get Destiny fired. He and Quantic parted ways on their own.

All you did was hurt a team that has done a great deal for esports. Because you reacted before you thought, you did more harm than good.
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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
May 04 2012 14:10 GMT
#1156
On May 04 2012 22:56 Wortie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:54 revel8 wrote:
Desting got fired for calling someone 'gook' during chat? It's like Orb all over again. You'd think folks would have learnt by now. Racism is not OK. There are repercussions to using racist language.


yeah, because if we don't say the words, the problem doesn't exist. It's not like black people get payed the same because nobody says nigger.


The example is Orb. He made a racist comment and got fired because of the subsequent outrage. It does not matter whether you Wortie, personally believe the outrage was justified or not. The reality is the resulting PR storm caused Orb to lose his job. Given that clear example, it was very stupid for Destiny to also use racist language in an almost identical manner.

Similarly if some other player or caster does the same in the future then they are even more stupid for missing the repercussions of such behaviour. You might object to that too, but it does not change the fact that Destiny failed to heed the clear lesson that the Orb situation provided to the community. His own stupidity in ignoring that example has led to this situation.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 14:10:19
May 04 2012 14:10 GMT
#1157
On May 04 2012 23:03 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't know what world some of you live in.

No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions.

You should watch some stand up comedy dude.

Can someone help me please...

I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.

My little butt is so hurt by this.


This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here )
Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left...


stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well?

This discussion is a giant circlejerk of people not knowing their shit and people knowing their shit but not explaining it.

There are so many open questsions that people like you ignore, for example:

What is racism?
How does one become a racist?
What do racists do that someone that is not racist does as well, or rather what is an indicator of someone being a racist and what not?
Is there "good/okay" racism? How does the biology come into play?

These are just a few questions I came up with(there are way more than this) that clearly are very important to the issue and should be answered in a public matter, but actually people all answer them for themselves, creating groups of understanding and therefore masses of misunderstanding. There is no point in arguing over this while people don't share definitions, views and perspectives. You are basically arguing about different issues.

Also, on top of that, you jump to conclusions and assume things while not even BOTHERING to ask a single question.
That, my friend, is pure ignorance.


Destiny made a racist comment directed at a korean gamer. It is irrelevant whether he is truly a racist at heart. What matters is that this is unprofessional. Therefore he should not be supported Those people who spammed his team sponsors and got him sacked from his job were voicing their opinion. Quantic obviously made their decision. Any celebrity or sportsperson who utters a racist comment, regardless of whether they are truly neo nazi or not, will face repercussions. Esports wants to become a mainstream sport. Therefore they need to adhere to the policies of traditional sporting teams. I.e no racism, no homophobia, etc
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
May 04 2012 14:10 GMT
#1158
On May 04 2012 23:08 Utinni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:
On May 04 2012 23:03 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:58 Xercen wrote:
On May 04 2012 22:53 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't know what world some of you live in.

No one anywhere would get away with being openly racist like Destiny has done on multiple occassions.

You should watch some stand up comedy dude.

Can someone help me please...

I was playing ladder and somebody called me a "fucking white-trash redneck cracker". I am greatly offended by this racist hate-crime. What are the major sites I can search so I can get his contact details and try to ruin his life? I want to do this for the community.

My little butt is so hurt by this.


This is the perfect exaple of how stupid this sounds. ( I don't mean you Psychobabas, cuz I see what you did here )
Lets purify BM and "racism" from the internet, for the sake of esports. Oh shit there is no esports left...


stand up comedy and blatant racial insults are totally and utterly different. You can see what destiny wrote in those screenshots and comparing it to a stand up comedian is utterly wrong. He is a racist simple as. He says those things because he is raging. Professional esports is trying to grow. Supporting racists will stop that growth. We don't like racists irl so why should we gamers tolerate racists ingame as well?

Do you think Destiny actually hates Asians? If so, please explain why. If not, realize that there's a significant difference between the racists people rail against IRL (i.e. people who actively try to stop minorities from participating in some aspect of society) and people who use the word 'nigger' (i.e. about 99% of the english-speaking world).


Destiny said something that would insult/hurt the other ethnic group he or she is speaking to. He deliberately went out of his way to insult a korean based on his race. Therefore that comment was a racist comment. Simple.


So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied?

He should prolly learn how to stop a cannon rush before he types another word.

Non sequitur buddie.
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
May 04 2012 14:10 GMT
#1159
On May 04 2012 23:09 jdsowa wrote:
There are teenagers who haven't completely developed a sense of perspective or capacity for empathy, and so they can't comprehend the severity of the offense made or the context of a sponsor that is in business to make money and avoid controversy. And then there are folks who are maybe a little bit older, who have developed some capacity to identify with what life must be like for minority groups, that also understand how the business world works, what 'free speech' entails, and so on. Until one group catches up with the other, there will be no mutual agreement.

True story sadly.
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May 04 2012 14:11 GMT
#1160
Considering this news, I wonder if and what team would pick him up o_O
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