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On May 06 2012 03:40 Ultraex2 wrote:
I would just like to add - do any of you remember back in 06 when a student was called the "n" word by an honors english teacher? The school district responded by giving him 10 days of unpaid leave. I'm quite sure that his job is just as professional as any pro gamers is.
Just search "teacher calls student n word" on youtube.
What kind of comparison is this? It's not even remotely comparable. It would be like the english teacher said this near a crowd of people and then this random anon-crowd took it upon themselves to visit his workplace and talk to the principal to get him punished for it. The task of punishing this behavior in the professional circuit is not yours.
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On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less.
What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic.
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Doesn't Blizzard have a language filter automatically on when you install the game? Isn't it your fault for turning it off and then getting offended by what people say?
Honestly.
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I don't see why he get angry for being thrown away after a racist comment.
It might be a bit of an overreaction but it's really easy to not have to deal with it, just don't make racist comments on stream.
I'm not really a fan of destiny and it's not because of anything drama related, i just don't see him being really good.
But anyway, it's a sad news for him..
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On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic.
Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger -- which is why no one except people like you give a shit.
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On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face.
So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make?
I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage.
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See, I've been saying that people excusing the use of racial slurs are assholes and cowards, and also passively engaging in the destruction of history through the misuse of language... But I didn't care what happened to destiny. I didn't care if he care if he got fired or whatever... He certainly didn't need to be "blacked out."
These issues are each bits of evidence as to why Esporsts will never been accepted in the mainstream. There are two many subcultures and internal conflicts. You have those that just want to make money (casters, irrelevant players who are known for personality and not accomplishments), corporate interests (sponsors, tournaments), TL's need for growth and preservation, we have casual gamers, recreational gamers, obsessed gamers, and pro gamers. The biggest issue is that we have the dark side of the gamer crowd: the emotionally unstable homophobes and racists, the ignorant, and the uneducated. We will always have these people. You can't get away from it, and you can't ban them all.
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On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? Show nested quote +I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage.
He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again.
I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it.
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It's rather funny that a huge controversy blew up in the fighting game community recently over a player making sexist comments but people still feel that it's ok to defend racist speech in Starcraft 2 no matter what the intent is.
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How does saying it in a game online make it justifiable while saying it in person is not? You've been unable to explain how that would make any difference.
He's not being racist towards them, just a dick.
Not mutually exclusive... it's both. How is using a racial slur, especially the one that specifically refers to the person you're insulting, not racist?
And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both
Again, there is no contradiction there. It would require all of the above.
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On May 06 2012 05:51 Desiato wrote:
It's rather funny that a huge controversy blew up in the fighting game community recently over a player making sexist comments but people still feel that it's ok to defend racist speech in Starcraft 2 no matter what the intent is.
The fuck? We're not defending racist speech. We're voicing outrage over people going to sponsors over the most trivial of shit.
On May 06 2012 05:54 Silvertine wrote:How does saying it in a game online make it justifiable while saying it in person is not? You've been unable to explain how that would make any difference. Not mutually exclusive... it's both. How is using a racial slur, especially the one that specifically refers to the person you're insulting, not racist? Show nested quote +And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both Again, there is no contradiction there. It would require all of the above.
I just told you why it doesn't make a difference. Theres a barrier. It's the internet. No one gives a shit. You do.
Because I don't think he's racist against asian people. He just said the most vicious insults he could think of at the time of his rage, and in a sudden lack of creativity, spouted gook. The world will end. AFK hiding in my bunker.
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On May 06 2012 05:44 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage. He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again. I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it.
Hi, I'm reality. Have you visited me lately? Maybe you're just too busy being an apologist for a guy who obviously fucked up.
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On May 06 2012 05:55 RevRich wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:44 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage. He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again. I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it. Hi, I'm reality. Have you visited me lately? Maybe you're just too busy being an apologist for a guy who obviously fucked up.
Hey reality, have you caught up with the internet recently?
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On May 06 2012 05:13 Brutaxilos wrote:
Doesn't Blizzard have a language filter automatically on when you install the game? Isn't it your fault for turning it off and then getting offended by what people say?
Honestly.
You know, I never thought about this. I just started up a custom game with the filter on and tried a host of different slurs, and while not all were blocked, "gook" definitely was, so why does this user consciously choose to turn the filter off (it is ON by default) and then get offended when people use foul language online?
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On May 06 2012 05:57 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:55 RevRich wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage. He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again. I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it. Hi, I'm reality. Have you visited me lately? Maybe you're just too busy being an apologist for a guy who obviously fucked up. Hey reality, have you caught up with the internet recently?
Maybe you don't understand there are two sets of rules on the internet. Rules that apply to the random person (you and I) and those that apply to those who are in the public eye supported by teams/sponsors/public entities.
I like how you describe this as "trivial bullshit". To who? You?
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On May 06 2012 05:55 Tyrant0 wrote:
I just told you why it doesn't make a difference. Theres a barrier. It's the internet
And once again you're totally unable to explain why it's OK to hurl racist insults at people on the internet. And no, just repeating "because it's the internet" over and over again is not a cogent argument. You have to actually explain what it is about the internet that makes it justifiable to use racism on it.
No one gives a shit. You do.
Obviously they do since this is an issue in the first place. All you need so is search through this thread to see how wrong you are about that.
Because I don't think he's racist against asian people.
You don't have to be actually be an Asian-hating racist to say something racist against Asian people. That makes absolutely no difference. Something you say is either racist or it's not... you can't hide by the defense of "Oh but I'm not actually a racist so it's OK".
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On May 06 2012 06:03 RevRich wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:57 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:55 RevRich wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage. He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again. I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it. Hi, I'm reality. Have you visited me lately? Maybe you're just too busy being an apologist for a guy who obviously fucked up. Hey reality, have you caught up with the internet recently? Maybe you don't understand there are two sets of rules on the internet. Rules that apply to the random person (you and I) and those that apply to those who are in the public eye supported by teams/sponsors/public entities. I like how you describe this as "trivial bullshit". To who? You?
Yep. I really don't care when I choose my keyboard that one brand happens to sponsor a team, who employed a player who said a racist word 3 months ago. No one else does either, they just go out of their way to be offended.
On May 06 2012 06:06 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:55 Tyrant0 wrote:
I just told you why it doesn't make a difference. Theres a barrier. It's the internet And once again you're totally unable to explain why it's OK to hurl racist insults at people on the internet. And no, just repeating "because it's the internet" over and over again is not a cogent argument. You have to actually explain what it is about the internet that makes it justifiable to use racism on it. You don't have to be actually be an Asian-hating racist to say something racist against Asian people. That makes absolutely no difference. Something you say is either racist or it's not... you can't hide by the defense of "Oh but I'm not actually a racist so it's OK".
You conveniently unquoted the follow up to its the internet that clarifies how little of an impact it has on anyone except the people acting offended. And when I say impact, I mean to the point that they literally look at a particular brand of mouse and cringe in agony at the thought of the racist word that this brand now endorses apparently. Cause no one actually does that, they just wanna see Destiny gone for their own personal satisfaction.
You seem to be confusing the arguments of whether or not its okay to say racist words, and whether or not lynch mobs are entitled to barrage sponsors over fucking up and saying 1 racist word once -- not going on a tangent about how much they hate the race, they just say a bunch of insults that included a racist word. With no chance to apologize.
Apparently we agree he's not racist. Let's both agree what he said was bad. The drama that followed was way over the top.
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On May 06 2012 06:06 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:03 RevRich wrote:On May 06 2012 05:57 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:55 RevRich wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage. He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again. I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it. Hi, I'm reality. Have you visited me lately? Maybe you're just too busy being an apologist for a guy who obviously fucked up. Hey reality, have you caught up with the internet recently? Maybe you don't understand there are two sets of rules on the internet. Rules that apply to the random person (you and I) and those that apply to those who are in the public eye supported by teams/sponsors/public entities. I like how you describe this as "trivial bullshit". To who? You? Yep. I really don't care when I choose my keyboard that one brand happens to sponsor a team, who employed a player who said a racist word 3 months ago. No one else does either, they just go out of their way to be offended.
Oh, I didn't realize you spoke for the entirety of the human race. God knows if you aren't offended by something, nobody is offended.
Listen, I'm not a big fan of the overly PC society we've morphed into over the last however many years. I think there is a lot of fake outrage out there when people want to hurt someone in the public eye. That being said, this is the way the world works now. You can't just ignore it and hope nobody calls you out.
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On May 06 2012 06:10 RevRich wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:06 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 06:03 RevRich wrote:On May 06 2012 05:57 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:55 RevRich wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 06 2012 05:08 Silvertine wrote:On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote:
At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. What does it matter that it was said in a game? I guess any racial slurs uttered in sports are justified applying that stupid logic. Pretty sure he's referring to computer games, not sports, where you're actually interacting with real people face to face. So being racist towards someone is OK as long as it's not in person? What difference could that possibly make? I don't think you'd expect Destiny or Orb to ever walk up to an actual black or asian man/woman in a gaming venue and say that to them in anger
Of course not, that would require courage. He's not being racist towards them, just a dick. And it wouldn't require courage, it'd require a severe lack of social aptitude, or an acute sense of racism -- or both. Very distinct differences that have gone over your head time and time again. I'm not even saying what he did was right. Feel free to judge him and think all sorts of bad things of him. He shouldn't have his sponsors spammed with e-mails for it. Hi, I'm reality. Have you visited me lately? Maybe you're just too busy being an apologist for a guy who obviously fucked up. Hey reality, have you caught up with the internet recently? Maybe you don't understand there are two sets of rules on the internet. Rules that apply to the random person (you and I) and those that apply to those who are in the public eye supported by teams/sponsors/public entities. I like how you describe this as "trivial bullshit". To who? You? Yep. I really don't care when I choose my keyboard that one brand happens to sponsor a team, who employed a player who said a racist word 3 months ago. No one else does either, they just go out of their way to be offended. Oh, I didn't realize you spoke for the entirety of the human race. God knows if you aren't offended by something, nobody is offended. Listen, I'm not a big fan of the overly PC society we've morphed into over the last however many years. I think there is a lot of fake outrage out there when people want to hurt someone in the public eye. That being said, this is the way the world works now. You can't just ignore it and hope nobody calls you out.
It wasn't just calling out. Rather than simply not support him, or agree vocally hes a douche bag for what he says, or any of that, they did what community members found to be the most effective way to get what they want and barrage sponsors with fake threats of boycotting their brand. No one associates Razor with having said that word, they associate it with Destiny. You don't have to watch him or like him. There ARE people who enjoy him, despite how much you may disagree with Destiny or his fans.
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On May 06 2012 02:16 Grend wrote:
TL shows they are the boss by defeaturing him for a month (That is the punishment, not the ban. You hit him in his wallet)
an asset.
They showed they don't care about consistency, if they did his stream wouldn't be unlisted, but it's their site, of course they're the boss.
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