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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:23 TricksAre4Figs wrote: Not tolerating hate mongering bigots is bullshit? If you think Destiny is a hate mongering bigot I don't know what to tell you other than you obviously don't know him at all...>_> | ||
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Lunit
United States183 Posts
So basically what i'm doing is the same as everyone else has been doing and make a big deal about it. I'm going to throw a hissy fit and get these 3 players I mentioned brought to justice for committing the same crimes as others have. I'm sure people would get more upset if they got in trouble but hey it is what it is. The community needs to be fair. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:06 Lunit wrote: Just to make it fair I contacted the Evil Genius's sponsors to let them know about Idra, Incontrol and Huk's behaviors. Idra routinely calls people retards during showmatches and regular play. On stream he called Ensnare and July faggots. For Incontrol he ridiculed a porn star about her profession making her come to tears on the most viewed Starcraft 2 podcast. And for Huk he tweeted Nigga. All these things are completely unacceptable. Something should be done because that is no way for a professional to act. Just saying. Wow. Saving the world one angry email at a time. EDIT: Oh I see, you`re some kind of crazy. Well good on yer! | ||
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canSore
132 Posts
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:42 Orracle wrote: I think he was referring to the fact that you commonly hear pros rage at someone, excluding the use of racial slurs. I mean, turn on half those EU Terrans like Kas, Merz, etc, and half the time when they lose, they'll tell their opponent they're fucking terrible, etc. Yet there is nothing wrong with this? You think this would be tolerated in a work place? Absolutely not. Why do people not go after these people? The problem is you have many people with nothing better to do than try to stir up trouble for whatever short comings in their life. Find someone you don't like? Lets try to get them fired! Never been a fan of Destiny, but I've gained respect for him standing his ground. Therefore, I've been keeping his stream on 24/7. At the end of the day, this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less. Wow, Complexity never removed him. It was a mutual agreement, as they fully knew Destiny's attitude. Quantic knew of Destiny's attitude previous to signing him. Why they weren't prepared for something like this, more so after the Orb fiasco is insane. This is inaccurate though, I don't publicly flame my opponents unless I'm flamed at first, and even then It's rare. Saying half the time I lose I tell my opponents that they are fucking terrible is not something I'm ready to agree with, if you have the evidence in me doing so then fair enough but I really don't feel like I do that. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On May 04 2012 18:31 SolHeiM wrote: Unless you believe one race is superior to another, then by definition you can't be a racist no. But it's the context that makes a word racist, not the word itself. People can't control what other people percieve of them based on their actions relative to the experiences of that other person. The only thing we can do is marginalize some of the more obvious inflammatory factors unless we are looking for a fight or debate on what it means to responsability protect and exercise free speech. On one hand, particular context of how a word is used it important for the listener in deciding on the users intentions, but the user must also acknowledge the cultural context of the word and how it is generally accepted in society. Its very much a two-way issue, but in the case of a prominent individual who more often then not is speaker with thousands of listeners, the responsability kind of falls on that person to somewhat monitor themselves a bit more due to how disproportionately the focus is on them. People are smart enough to know how venemous certain words or phrases are on a broad scale, so when it shit hits the fan after using them, they shouldn't be up in arms about it. | ||
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lordofsoup
United States159 Posts
And if you want to flame, there there is no reason that you shouldn't. And bringing others like Merz into this, is just gona make it worse. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:35 lordofsoup wrote: Honestly I see nothing wrong with obnoxious and offensive speech. If people want to say it, then they is their own problem. At least in the US there is the first amendment protecting your right to be a racist sexist douche. The only issue is when threats of bodily harm are brought up, then it is an issue. Other than that people should jus accept that others are jerks and deal with it. Just ignore it, making a big deal out of it, just causes too much trouble. An insincere apology isnt worth anything. At the same time, knowly using speech that is commonly interpreted as sexist/racist/whatever which leads to an inflammatory response. The speech of those who are complaining is also protected. So any negative impacts that come along should not be a surprise to those individuals. Individual cases can be argued within context, but if everyone on earth calmly interpreted events based on context, this world would be unbelieveably better off. So on one hand you have the idiot carelessly who uses the words, on the other hand you have the idiots that jump the gun on those words. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:06 Lunit wrote: Just to make it fair I contacted the Evil Genius's sponsors to let them know about Idra, Incontrol and Huk's behaviors. Idra routinely calls people retards during showmatches and regular play. On stream he called Ensnare and July faggots. For Incontrol he ridiculed a porn star about her profession making her come to tears on the most viewed Starcraft 2 podcast. And for Huk he tweeted Nigga. All these things are completely unacceptable. Something should be done because that is no way for a professional to act. Just saying. Sigh you sir are retarded. Idra has had consequences for what he has done before, Incontrol did not ridicule her until she came to tears and that really is no where near the same thing as what destiny did. As for huk he tweeted it not in the same way, Destiny did it to try to hurt someone he did it out of anger to hurt someone. Also you are actually an idiot emailing EG's sponsors trying to cause trouble and do things like this. You do nothing but hurt E sports and Evil Geniuses both because you are a mad Destiny fan boy. So yeah good job doing stupid things. Just saying. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:44 Kamikiri wrote: Sigh you sir are retarded. Idra has had consequences for what he has done before, Incontrol did not ridicule her until she came to tears and that really is no where near the same thing as what destiny did. As for huk he tweeted it not in the same way Destiny did to try to hurt someone, Destiny did it out of anger to hurt someone. Also you are actually an idiot emailing EG's sponsors trying to cause trouble and do things like this. You do nothing but hurt E sports and Evil Geniuses both because you are a mad Destiny fan boy. So yeah good job doing stupid things. Just saying. I dont think she cried on SotG either..... | ||
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Lunit
United States183 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:44 Kamikiri wrote: Sigh you sir are retarded. Idra has had consequences for what he has done before, Incontrol did not ridicule her until she came to tears and that really is no where near the same thing as what destiny did. As for huk he tweeted it not in the same way, Destiny did it to try to hurt someone he did it out of anger to hurt someone. Also you are actually an idiot emailing EG's sponsors trying to cause trouble and do things like this. You do nothing but hurt E sports and Evil Geniuses both because you are a mad Destiny fan boy. So yeah good job doing stupid things. Just saying. I don't even watch Destiny's stream so i'm no fan boy. I just find it funny that we seem to attack certain people instead of others. Now that I attack someone else people get upset about how sc2 could lose sponsors and those antics. But isnt that the same as such say people attacking Destiny for his actions and contacting his sponsors? Oh well. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
"For those that hate, continue hating, I love every second of it." | ||
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dmasterding
United States205 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:44 Kamikiri wrote: Sigh you sir are retarded. Idra has had consequences for what he has done before, Incontrol did not ridicule her until she came to tears and that really is no where near the same thing as what destiny did. As for huk he tweeted it not in the same way, Destiny did it to try to hurt someone he did it out of anger to hurt someone. Also you are actually an idiot emailing EG's sponsors trying to cause trouble and do things like this. You do nothing but hurt E sports and Evil Geniuses both because you are a mad Destiny fan boy. So yeah good job doing stupid things. Just saying. I'd like to preface my statement by saying that I don't agree with Lunit, in fact I might go so far as to call him a Lunit-ic  However I wanted to get your thoughts on the bolded part. Would you then be saying that the context in which the racial slur is said makes a whole lot of a deal? The majority of Destiny's "racial slurs" don't actually have negative context - the meanings behind his usage of them were not malicious or harmful in nature - kind of like how you're defending Huk's usage of nigger now. | ||
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Youtakenocandle
543 Posts
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dmasterding
United States205 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:53 Youtakenocandle wrote: 140 pages about destiny leaving yet another team? :| The original thread was closed, so the entire argument over Destiny pretty much just shifted threads. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:20 Lunit wrote: I think people should stop bitching about players expressing themselves and using fowl language. I'm pretty sure that most of the community doesn't give two shits and aren't offended but just like to hop on for the hell of it. Does it really offend you if someone plays a video game and calls someone a "nigger" or any sort of slur. Probably not. People need to stop acting like their offended and ignore it. So basically what i'm doing is the same as everyone else has been doing and make a big deal about it. I'm going to throw a hissy fit and get these 3 players I mentioned brought to justice for committing the same crimes as others have. I'm sure people would get more upset if they got in trouble but hey it is what it is. The community needs to be fair. If you think you care about Esports then it's completely ironic because your damaging the scene incredibly. Seriously what the hell, why would you contact sponsors? Contact the team let them take care of it, sponsors are a difficult thing. It also shows that you watch SOTG then you should know that its blatant that sponsors for SC2 is incredibly important and an incredibly difficult thing to obtain. Please don't try to kill the scene next time, thanks. InControl, Huk and Idra are important for the scenes and right now I don't think we're truly at a stance to kick them out because you want everything to be "fair" All of this is the same point for anyone making an argument. We want Starcraft to grow, right? Then lets use some common sense before going to email sponsors and not the team. On May 06 2012 07:57 Sc2Null wrote: Can I suggest a locking of this thread? It has reached the point where nothing of substance will come from this thread (can't tell where that point started tbh). People are arguing over ethics and making pointless comparisons to prove their points. It's a strange sight when the posters care more than the person who was actually affected by this. Agreed its not about Destiny anymore but ethnics in general. I'm sure the majority of people knows that Destiny has left Quantic by now. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:45 Pwnographics wrote: Well from now on I'm email-ing the sponsors of any streamer who uses any language that I find offensive including "retard, fucking, shit" etc in the best interest of being fair to all streamers of course. Wait so words like Fucking, Retard and shit are the same as Nigger, Gook and Faggot? Wow! Thanks I didn't know! Honestly people like you in this thread really piss me off, someone being BM or saying words like Fuck is the same as seeing someone having a korean name and deciding to call them a Gook, or calling people Niggers when you lose. On top of that you should know that emailing sponsors will hurt eSports in general but you are okay with doing that unjustified just because you are looking for a reason to bitch because you like Destiny. Grow up seriously, being offended is not even the reason for all of this happening. This all happened because Destiny consistently uses racial slurs against people while being somewhat of a community figure who makes a living playing this game while being on a pro-team. If you constantly act like a dick to everyone use racial slurs and do whatever you feel like it is going to come back to bite you in the ass. Really though to think some people compare saying Fucking to calling someone a Nigger is the same thing, fucking pathetic what is going on in this thread with Destiny fan boys. It is not right to act that way and say those things. There comes a time where if the majority of people dislike you majorly, you need to ask yourself is it me or is it everyone else? | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:57 Sc2Null wrote: Can I suggest a locking of this thread? It has reached the point where nothing of substance will come from this thread (can't tell where that point started tbh) Around the 1st page. | ||
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