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Welcome to video game communities. They're either full of a bunch of children, or full of a bunch of children who fantasize that they're super mature professionals. People just like to make themselves feel better by acting like they're sophisticated and mature---but trust me, your valiant e-mail sending to Razer is not going to go down in textbooks about stopping racism. You writing angry essays about Scarlett's gender issues is not going to create some magical utopia of peace and understanding.
These may as well be the same people who change their profile pictures on facebook to stop child abuse for a day. True racism is people getting the shit beat out of them in the street. Or people getting the shit knocked out of them for being transgender. Discrimination against women isn't someone calling a transgender a "he" on a lay report thread, it's a woman getting actually abused.
Stop acting like you are helping some noble cause. None of you are doing anything but being a bunch of pissants powertripping over ruining someone's life while feeling so goooood that you're stopping racism in the SC2 community.
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On May 05 2012 10:47 aebriol wrote:
I wonder how many people that are against Destiny, are against other entertainers that use terms that can be seen as offensive.
Like, oh, most any rappers ...
Or hell, anyone that use the word 'bitch'
Destiny ... is not a top level progamer first and foremost, he is an entertaining streamer, for an adult audience.
I don't see why there's not room for that in the sc2 community.
I just don't feel like he should be sponsored to represent the SC2 community.
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On May 05 2012 10:53 Silvertine wrote:
Aelonius, I appreciate your explanation and want to make it clear that I'm not against using profanity at all. It's using racial slurs, especially the ones that apply to the person you're attacking, that disgusts me.
I am trying to keep the racist slurs out as much as I can. Means 99% of the time I'll use profanity instead (which tends to be worse tbh) and not too proud about it, but denying that and hiding it makes it only worse.
Some people say 'bury the emotion and move on'. That only works upto a certain point. I hate to reach that point :p
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On May 05 2012 09:28 HikariPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:24 Detwiler wrote:
This community continues to amaze me. Do people even think before they post? The defenders of destiny do you hear yourselves? Man whats this scene doming to when players cant call people niggers and gooks in public god i cant believe this shit im leaving! The fuck how old are you? Where are you from that its acceptable for a brand representative to say these things in public huh? 16, living in United States of America with the constitution to protect me and my rights to free speech and the context of how i use said speech. Unless you know, you have people who deliberately go out of there way to find a hate crime ( that doesnt actually exist (oh noes he used a bad word ) in this situation ) and for a moderation team to get butt hurt cause white guys getting mad at him "offending" asians. ( btw im asian )
So it's fine to say anything you want regardless of who your employers are? One thing you seem to forget is Destiny is (or was I guess) representing both the Quantic organization and all of it's sponsors. It would be akin to Tom Brady going to an interview and calling all the media giant n-words. You somehow expect him to just be like "free speech" and/or "i'm not racist!" and everyone will totally not care that he used the N-word?
I hope you grow up and go to job interviews and use the n-word and expect them to not care because you tell them "oh it's okay I'm not really racist."
Context is everything.
On May 05 2012 09:35 MercilessMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:08 genius_man16 wrote:On May 05 2012 07:42 Bulldog654 wrote:On May 05 2012 07:40 genius_man16 wrote:
I have yet to understand how this community absolutely LOVES E-Sports and wants it to go mainstream and yet when something like this happens people get upset?
If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid.
Perhaps you err in assuming that the whole of the "community" even wants it to go mainstream. Perhaps, however it seems to be a vast majority sentiment, so I feel that my point still stands. On May 05 2012 07:51 MercilessMonkey wrote:On May 05 2012 07:44 Holytornados wrote:On May 05 2012 07:26 StarStrider wrote:On May 05 2012 07:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread. I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue. + Show Spoiler +Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64) 43% Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51) 34% Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18) 12% Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14) 9% Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2) 1% 149 total votes Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense? (Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.
what is offensive/racial language? Cunt, Nigger, Kike, Faggot, etc. I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever. Some feminists would tell you that cunt is the most offensive word you can use. Kike is a racist slur for asians? Idk, I never really see it used. On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote:
I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"?
Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court.
Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it. I don't disagree, I don't think it's necessarily "ok" to act like a dick on the internet when you wouldn't in real life. However, let's follow through with your analogy. If I called you a racist slur on the basketball court, which of the following is more likely: A) You tell me to go fuck myself, and don't play basketball with me anymore B) Go complain to my boss and try to get me fired I think it's pretty obvious the difference between the two. Not many people are saying that it's great for Destiny to be rude and offensive, but rather the reaction which resulted was unwarranted considering the other options. People who don't like his stream can just not watch it. I don't even watch his stream. But it's not like he did it at a tournament or live event or anything of the sort. Your two examples don't really fully explain the Destiny situation. If we are going to use the basketball example, "B" would be valid because you would be playing a basketball game as a representative of your company, so it would be justifiable for the person to go to your boss if you called him the n-word during said basketball game. Wasn't my basketball analogy, I was just drawing his out to its conclusion. Even so, I disagree with you. If I and another employee of my company were playing basketball, I think my point stands. I could call him whatever I wanted outside of work, and there would be no business to involve the company at all. Whether or not Destiny's steam is private enough is a different story, which is why I don't think the basketball game was a good analogy in the first place. But if it's being used, I stand behind what I said. Anyone I worked with couldn't go to my boss and say I called them a mean word outside of work.
Okay, that's fair. I guess i was imagining that it was a company sponsored basketball game against another company, so as to make the game less private and more of an analogy to the Destiny game, however your point is well taken.
One thing you should learn is that as soon as you use absolutes in your speech, you lose all credibility. To be specific: No, actually, not EVERYONE uses the N, G, Fa, or W word. I, in fact, have never used the N word, and stopped using the G and Fa word when I was 16 and learned about how it affected other people in my sociology class. If the "W" word is "whore" then I will admit I use it around my male friends but never in the presence of a female, regardless of how close a friend they are.
So before you start pretending everyone is the same as you, maybe you should be less of an idiot and realize everyone is different and there are TONS of people that don't use those words and feel that the use of those words is a VERY bad thing.
On May 05 2012 10:32 BeeNu wrote:
The only people who can't control their feelings are 12yr old girls going through puberty.
Now lets not be sexist, 12yr old boys can't control their feelings either. 
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On May 05 2012 10:24 setzer wrote:
And policies chance. Obviously when they acquire huge sponsorships companies like Razer it is expected to better represent oneself to protect that investment. Quantic would be at fault if they didn't properly communicate this with Destiny.
Oh they very well may have. But at this point, we have NO knowledge confirming that they did. And lets be honest, Razer is involved with the gaming community. They shouldn't have been completely unaware of Destiny's attitude and actions. I would fault them just as much. You don't sponsor a team without having any idea of who their players are.
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WHO'S NEXT? Taking bets for incontrol, i heard he made fun of Indians once.
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On May 05 2012 10:55 kittensrcute wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:47 aebriol wrote:
I wonder how many people that are against Destiny, are against other entertainers that use terms that can be seen as offensive.
Like, oh, most any rappers ...
Or hell, anyone that use the word 'bitch'
Destiny ... is not a top level progamer first and foremost, he is an entertaining streamer, for an adult audience.
I don't see why there's not room for that in the sc2 community.
I just don't feel like he should be sponsored to represent the SC2 community.
He is not representing the SC2 community when he is talking relatively privately on his stream where it clearly says explicit language. To judge him for that is just inane in my opinion.
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I'm not a Destiny fan, by any means. I can probably count the number of times I've watched his stream on one hand. And, being as the thread has gotten so big, this has probably been said before, but here it is again.
You knew what you were getting with Destiny. ROOT knew it. Complexity knew it. Quantic knew it. You all knew it.
This isn't a big revelation like the Orb and Katu situations where we have a perceived notion of how a person acts while working in their particular field, suddenly being turned on its head by some outlandish comments. Destiny has always been like this and most likely will always be like this.
This community has gotten a far too strong taste of blood in their mouths from the actions that companies will take on their say so, and are more than willing to take up arms or destroy anyone that strikes their fancy.
Many of the controversies that have gone around here, I've been in the lynch mob group. Not anymore. Today, I'm ashamed to call myself an SC2 fan.
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It's not so much that he uses those words, it's about his negative personality conflicting with how we (SC2 community) want outsiders to perceive Starcraft 2 figureheads as a representation of our community.
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On May 05 2012 10:58 dmasterding wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:55 kittensrcute wrote:On May 05 2012 10:47 aebriol wrote:
I wonder how many people that are against Destiny, are against other entertainers that use terms that can be seen as offensive.
Like, oh, most any rappers ...
Or hell, anyone that use the word 'bitch'
Destiny ... is not a top level progamer first and foremost, he is an entertaining streamer, for an adult audience.
I don't see why there's not room for that in the sc2 community.
I just don't feel like he should be sponsored to represent the SC2 community. He is not representing the SC2 community when he is talking relatively privately on his stream where it clearly says explicit language. To judge him for that is just inane in my opinion.
So the people he's talking down to and degrading with racial slurs shouldn't judge him or take offense because he's just streaming.
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On May 05 2012 10:43 Aelonius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:31 envisioN . wrote:
That's Destiny for ya. He's completely honest about his personality and realizes that people may not like him for it, but he refuses to be influenced by the rioting people who will more than likely shift their attention to some other "hot" topic in a week or so. I'm glad that he did what is best for the team, deciding to step down because he is doing more harm than good. I agree with this, and I kind of have to admit I am pretty similar in the mindset of how to interact with people. Two quotes fit here pretty well: 1. Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are. - Kurt Cobain 2. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not - Kurt Cobain These two values (actually one but meh) are something I live by 
You know you can be yourself and still not call people faggot gooks on stream, these things aren't exclusive.
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On May 05 2012 11:00 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not so much that he uses those words, it's about his negative personality conflicting with how we (SC2 community) want outsiders to perceive Starcraft 2 figureheads as a representation of our community.
His personality looks negative because people MAKE it look negative.
He's in no way a representative of the community as a whole. He is himself on his streams and happens to be a known and pretty good SC2 player. You choose to be on his stream, even WITH the warning that he's for an adult audience.
I just dont get it that people not even following him make such ruckus. If you cared you'd follow him before.
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On May 05 2012 10:54 Heavenlee wrote:
Welcome to video game communities. They're either full of a bunch of children, or full of a bunch of children who fantasize that they're super mature professionals.
Destiny = child that fantasizes he's a super mature professional.
He had the option to be on a sponsored team. That included basic responsibilities, like not calling people in the community 'gooks' or 'niggers' or 'faggots'. There isn't a job in America where that would be considered 'unreasonable'. But apparently, that was too much of a 'burden' for Destiny and his fragile personality. So he quit.
I don't understand why either side of the argument -- people that are for or against Destiny -- are in such a tizzy. He's made it clear that he would rather make a living being a 'shocking' personality with a popular gaming stream than a sponsored player.
Big whoop.
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On May 05 2012 10:57 genius_man16 wrote:
One thing you should learn is that as soon as you use absolutes in your speech, you lose all credibility. To be specific: No, actually, not EVERYONE uses the N, G, Fa, or W word. I, in fact, have never used the N word, and stopped using the G and Fa word when I was 16 and learned about how it affected other people in my sociology class. If the "W" word is "whore" then I will admit I use it around my male friends but never in the presence of a female, regardless of how close a friend they are.
So before you start pretending everyone is the same as you, maybe you should be less of an idiot and realize everyone is different and there are TONS of people that don't use those words and feel that the use of those words is a VERY bad thing.
You are mindnumbingly condescending and hypocritical LOL (as am I, but I don't pretend to not be). Calling him an idiot for his opinion, saying "you should learn that as soon as you use absolutes in your speech, you lose all credibility" which is an absolute. Get off your high horse and stop pretending youre a white knight protecting those poor people being abused by these hateful words. You are doing nothing but making yourself squirm in delight about how noble you are. People who feel use of those words are a very bad thing are GENERALLY children who need to get off the computer and actually interact in society. Learning how it affects other people in your sophomore sociology class doesn't make you an expert on anything.
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I can't help but wonder if the reaction would have been so big if it wasn't Destiny who said it....I mean everyone knows Destiny says what he wants to say when he wants to say it on his stream. His BM is nothing new and alot of the time it's quite entertaining. If it was someone else though who doesn't bm alot, or even one of the korean pros who said something, I wonder if there would be so many (as it's been put earlier in the thread) 'White Knighters' who got so mad about it...
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On May 05 2012 10:46 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:32 Falcor wrote:On May 05 2012 10:25 Silvertine wrote:On May 05 2012 10:23 Smat wrote:
What? He will get beat up by Asians and blacks and they will be justified? Fuck that society. Learn to read. I didn't say that he would get beat up, nor did I say that it would be justified. I was referring to the fact that he would be immediately ostracized. Have you been watching the elections or any american politics or news/radio for the last 10 yrs? I'm curious if you actually thought anyone would know what you're talking about? Please explain. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:33 Smat wrote:On May 05 2012 10:25 Silvertine wrote:On May 05 2012 10:23 Smat wrote:
What? He will get beat up by Asians and blacks and they will be justified? Fuck that society. Learn to read. I didn't say that he would get beat up, nor did I say that it would be justified. I was referring to the fact that he would be immediately ostracized. We all are already ostracized. I don't know any significant percentage of the people in my city. How poetic. Surely you realize that's not what I meant by "ostracized". Show nested quote +I guess I just don't understand the mindset of people who let words dominate their emotions. If only we could all be as stoic as you pretend to be. Guess what? People don't like getting called racial slurs. It's not a mystery, it's not bizarre, it's a perfectly normal human reaction to receiving horrible insults. Show nested quote +I don't care that Destiny was forced out of Quantic but I also don't care that he used a racial slur and in my perfect world no one would give a shit either. In a perfect world racial slurs wouldn't even exist...
3 of the republican nominees saying racist shit and not having to step down
the radio hosts whos job it is to pretty much say offensive and slightly racist shit to appease their base
and any of the multiple cases of racism which results in bodily harm or death with 0 repercussions to the officers
I really don't want to type out every incident but to say anyone who does or says racist crap would be ostracized is clearly not true when people running for the most powerful office in the world can get away with it along with some of the bigger talk radio shows
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i just want to say that when the community does shit like what happened with orb and now destiny they are shooting themselves in there own foot multiple times. keep it up and the entire scene will die a very slow and painful death.
as for destiny? at the end of the day this wont affect him at all, but it will affect his entire team that wasnt even involved because of u witch hunters. destiny, your intended target, is still manage to get 2k-3k viewers WITHOUT being listed on TL because of his fans. so really he is not hurt by this himself, but all of u are "hurting esports" as a whole.
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On May 05 2012 11:05 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:54 Heavenlee wrote:
Welcome to video game communities. They're either full of a bunch of children, or full of a bunch of children who fantasize that they're super mature professionals. Destiny = child that fantasizes he's a super mature professional. He had the option to be on a sponsored team. That included basic responsibilities, like not calling people in the community 'gooks' or 'niggers' or 'faggots'. There isn't a job in America where that would be considered 'unreasonable'. But apparently, that was too much of a 'burden' for Destiny and his fragile personality. So he quit. I don't understand why either side of the argument -- people that are for or against Destiny -- are in such a tizzy. He's made it clear that he would rather make a living being a 'shocking' personality with a popular gaming stream than a sponsored player. Big whoop.
I wouldnt say its to much of a burden. Quantic hired him when they knew he wouldn't censor his personality since thats why he and col left ways.
But other then that i agree
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On May 05 2012 10:57 genius_man16 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:28 HikariPrime wrote:On May 05 2012 09:24 Detwiler wrote:
This community continues to amaze me. Do people even think before they post? The defenders of destiny do you hear yourselves? Man whats this scene doming to when players cant call people niggers and gooks in public god i cant believe this shit im leaving! The fuck how old are you? Where are you from that its acceptable for a brand representative to say these things in public huh? 16, living in United States of America with the constitution to protect me and my rights to free speech and the context of how i use said speech. Unless you know, you have people who deliberately go out of there way to find a hate crime ( that doesnt actually exist (oh noes he used a bad word ) in this situation ) and for a moderation team to get butt hurt cause white guys getting mad at him "offending" asians. ( btw im asian ) So it's fine to say anything you want regardless of who your employers are? One thing you seem to forget is Destiny is (or was I guess) representing both the Quantic organization and all of it's sponsors. It would be akin to Tom Brady going to an interview and calling all the media giant n-words. You somehow expect him to just be like "free speech" and/or "i'm not racist!" and everyone will totally not care that he used the N-word? I hope you grow up and go to job interviews and use the n-word and expect them to not care because you tell them "oh it's okay I'm not really racist." Context is everything. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:35 MercilessMonkey wrote:On May 05 2012 09:08 genius_man16 wrote:On May 05 2012 07:42 Bulldog654 wrote:On May 05 2012 07:40 genius_man16 wrote:
I have yet to understand how this community absolutely LOVES E-Sports and wants it to go mainstream and yet when something like this happens people get upset?
If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid.
Perhaps you err in assuming that the whole of the "community" even wants it to go mainstream. Perhaps, however it seems to be a vast majority sentiment, so I feel that my point still stands. On May 05 2012 07:51 MercilessMonkey wrote:On May 05 2012 07:44 Holytornados wrote:On May 05 2012 07:26 StarStrider wrote:On May 05 2012 07:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread. I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue. + Show Spoiler +Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64) 43% Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51) 34% Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18) 12% Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14) 9% Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2) 1% 149 total votes Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense? (Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.
what is offensive/racial language? Cunt, Nigger, Kike, Faggot, etc. I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever. Some feminists would tell you that cunt is the most offensive word you can use. Kike is a racist slur for asians? Idk, I never really see it used. On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote:
I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"?
Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court.
Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it. I don't disagree, I don't think it's necessarily "ok" to act like a dick on the internet when you wouldn't in real life. However, let's follow through with your analogy. If I called you a racist slur on the basketball court, which of the following is more likely: A) You tell me to go fuck myself, and don't play basketball with me anymore B) Go complain to my boss and try to get me fired I think it's pretty obvious the difference between the two. Not many people are saying that it's great for Destiny to be rude and offensive, but rather the reaction which resulted was unwarranted considering the other options. People who don't like his stream can just not watch it. I don't even watch his stream. But it's not like he did it at a tournament or live event or anything of the sort. Your two examples don't really fully explain the Destiny situation. If we are going to use the basketball example, "B" would be valid because you would be playing a basketball game as a representative of your company, so it would be justifiable for the person to go to your boss if you called him the n-word during said basketball game. Wasn't my basketball analogy, I was just drawing his out to its conclusion. Even so, I disagree with you. If I and another employee of my company were playing basketball, I think my point stands. I could call him whatever I wanted outside of work, and there would be no business to involve the company at all. Whether or not Destiny's steam is private enough is a different story, which is why I don't think the basketball game was a good analogy in the first place. But if it's being used, I stand behind what I said. Anyone I worked with couldn't go to my boss and say I called them a mean word outside of work. Okay, that's fair. I guess i was imagining that it was a company sponsored basketball game against another company, so as to make the game less private and more of an analogy to the Destiny game, however your point is well taken. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:21 Unidus wrote:
All this would have been avoided if people in this world would stop being so sensitive towards certain words. People will keep using the words as long as people get mad when you say them. Get over it. Everyone uses the N word, the G word, Fa word, W word, and so on. You are lying if you say you don't. They are just words.
I have used every word in the book when raging at people online. There is no racial, sexist, homophobic hatred meant when I do use the words. I use whatever I think will piss the guy off the most and the above words seem to do the job. Again get over it and stop overreacting and going OMG HE SAID and you won't see the words used as much anymore. One thing you should learn is that as soon as you use absolutes in your speech, you lose all credibility. To be specific: No, actually, not EVERYONE uses the N, G, Fa, or W word. I, in fact, have never used the N word, and stopped using the G and Fa word when I was 16 and learned about how it affected other people in my sociology class. If the "W" word is "whore" then I will admit I use it around my male friends but never in the presence of a female, regardless of how close a friend they are. So before you start pretending everyone is the same as you, maybe you should be less of an idiot and realize everyone is different and there are TONS of people that don't use those words and feel that the use of those words is a VERY bad thing. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:32 BeeNu wrote:
The only people who can't control their feelings are 12yr old girls going through puberty. Now lets not be sexist, 12yr old boys can't control their feelings either.
Just saying, but neither the word "faggot" nor the word "gay" necessarily originated as homophobic slurs. You can't make the argument against them that you can make against 'nigger' (i.e. that it exists for the sole purpose of demonizing a race). Both "gay" and "faggot" have rather well-established secondary meanings that are actually rather conducive to insults. Perhaps that's why people aren't complaining about them as much.
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any international manufacturer of PC peripherals will not sponsor a team whose representatives have the constant silly outbursts Destiny has.
this applies to intel, AMD, logitech etc etc.
don't blame the people making these organizations aware of the outbursts.
the larger Destiny's audience the higher the probability of the inevitable "complaint email".
the larger the audience the more money Destiny receives from the streaming company.
if you are going to practise "shock jock" tactics then mainstream sponsors will avoid you. this was true long before Destiny or SC2 arrived on this planet.
welcome to the real world.
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