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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:23 Smat wrote: What? He will get beat up by Asians and blacks and they will be justified? Fuck that society. Learn to read. I didn't say that he would get beat up, nor did I say that it would be justified. I was referring to the fact that he would be immediately ostracized. | ||
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the`postman
United States1643 Posts
On May 05 2012 09:23 Orracle wrote: You don't choose how you feel? Do you understand how illogical and silly that sounds? So if you're playing a game of SC2, and before your opponent leaves he says, "Fuck you bitch!" Would you feel to choose angry because he just insulted you? Or would you brush it off, because it doesn't matter? Oh, that's right! You're choosing how you feel! Good point you make. Suddenly, "I'm going to rape you!" is offensive now? So that can't be said in game for fear of your opponent having been raped? The fact is, if a girl wants to hang on to emotional baggage of having had a miscarriage that is absolutely, you guessed it, her choice. I've dated girls who have had their "rape story"(haven't we all), which I never bothered to listen to. But they were never sensitive about the subject. If it were to cut to a scene in the movie, or a topic of it would come up, they would never be hesitant or angry. Why? Because it's, you guessed it, their choice! You're either trolling or a robot. Do you even remotely understand what a feeling is? | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:09 DeathProfessor wrote: How does Destiny know a guy is Korean? Did anyone think that far? How does a player know a guy is gay on the Internet but gets removed from the community for saying faggot? Anyone think of that? No TL just reacts. Maybe because the account that warden was playing under had a Korean name?? | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:09 DeathProfessor wrote: The one thing I never hear from people is in 100000 posts. The guy did not have to post that he was called a gook. Could have just let it go. But he brought it over here. People took it hook, line and sinker. He provoked Destiny first with streams of BM and a offensive GG. Nobody cares about that fact what people do care about are just a few meaningless insults. Same thing everywhere. Some guy posts his Autistic son was abused by teachers. We get on our horse and demand this teacher be fired NOW. No hearing the other side, just a call to arms and a tacit agreement if some viral video gets posted we end that threat NOW. Now it's a viral photo and a promise to end Destiny NOW. White-Knighting is an interesting term. You know who else were white knights? The KKK Lynch Mobs dressed in white too. How does Destiny know a guy is Korean? Did anyone think that far? How does a player know a guy is gay on the Internet but gets removed from the community for saying faggot? Anyone think of that? No TL just reacts. But we just have to join the bandwagon no critical thought just reaction. See a photo, don't get Destiny's reaction first just send email to sponsors. People could have said... dang that's a shame yo. Then consoled the guy and moved on. But no the way things work here, you say something we don't like we end you. Just like that. Destiny is a individual person who says what he wants. You can say what you want and that makes it even. But you are getting into someones personal business with someone else and hurting their lives then that gives you more power than you deserve. We are not a police state or a nanny state we should be fair and balanced to everyone and give everyone DUE PROCESS. We costed Destiny thousands of dollars, what did he cost you huh? We cost Quantic sponsorship money. TL will lose out too. All you were cost was what, being offended? Hope you are happy. Ban me I don't care I am out. Yep, just like with the Orb incident this is just typical bandwagoning knee-jerk bullshit. It doesn't matter if Destiny's arguments in favor of free speech are correct or not, the hordes of people spamming his sponsors are simply LOUDER. This is some serious Bill O'Reilly shit going on. Apparently the SC2 community is out to once again prove that if you're loud enough and just never shut up, even if you're wrong, you get results. These people all make me sick. | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:25 Silvertine wrote: Learn to read. I didn't say that he would get beat up, nor did I say that it would be justified. I was referring to the fact that he would be immediately ostracized. Have you been watching the elections or any american politics or news/radio for the last 10 yrs? | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:25 the`postman wrote: You're either trolling or a robot. Do you even remotely understand what a feeling is? The only people who can't control their feelings are 12yr old girls going through puberty. | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:25 Silvertine wrote: Learn to read. I didn't say that he would get beat up, nor did I say that it would be justified. I was referring to the fact that he would be immediately ostracized. We all are already ostracized. I don't know any significant percentage of the people in my city. I guess I just don't understand the mindset of people who let words dominate their emotions. I don't care that Destiny was forced out of Quantic but I also don't care that he used a racial slur and in my perfect world no one would give a shit either. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:32 BeeNu wrote: The only people who can't control their feelings are 12yr old girls going through puberty. Controlling your feelings, and HAVING those feelings, are 2 completely different things. | ||
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Aelonius
Netherlands432 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:21 Silvertine wrote: Another person admitting to calling a black friend "nigger" out of anger... my lord. What is wrong with you people? And then you say that he shouldn't be considered a true friend if he let it get to him. You're the one betraying friendship in that instance, not him. I would have to elaborate about the culture in the Netherlands and the region I grew up in. One thing you must know before you cast judgement, is that Dutch people tend to have a much thicker skin regarding insults and offensive speech than others. As an example, the use of cancer as illness is quite common sadly in here. This results in an atmosphere where "nigger" as word here, is something like "Oh you dick" in another country. Do not read into this that this justifies the behaviour, as you'd be short sighted if you'd take that from my words. That said, the people I consider true friends are those who understand me and the way I operate. I am slightly obnoxious as I do not like to sugarcoat things with fancy stuff, which means I will directly say what I think. What I ment to say with the comment about friendship is the fact that our views of friends are different. The people I call my friends, know that I have the ability to swear like a sailor when really angry. (I automatically revert to Dutch then though). However, and that is the strength of good friendship, they are able to see through it and while it may hurt at the moment it's said, it always is solved with good conversation in the long run. I like to keep my friend circle small, the rest of my 'friends' are in between friends and acquaintances. It's a matter of perspective on how you see things. If you'd attempt to offend me and wish me to have all illnesses in the medical textbook, most likely I won't even bother giving a crap about it. You're clearly in a position where you strongly believe in avoiding all swearwords and try to stay nice. That's respectable, and that is a very good view especially for the long term. But myself I feel uncomfortable if I need to constantly hold back everything I do. This is why I deliberately choose to let all the energy flow, in all ways I go. The only moment I "sugarcoat" it so to speak, is when I am in a professional situation with my work. And even then it may be pretty rough compared to your standards. Just don't judge the book's cover right away because you do not know me, so the comment you made is pretty short-sighted I think. Other than that, nothing against you man. Just felt like giving a piece of mind in the hope you'd understand me. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
The relevent part starts a couple of minutes in, but worth watching from the start. It's relevant I guess. About 3.30 if you want to stick to the relevant part. | ||
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kittensrcute
United States617 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:10 Mallidon wrote: God I wish people would grow up and differentiate between someone saying something and someone meaning something. Fuck, there was another thread for this debate... It got closed due to the sheer amount of stupid replies. Why does this shit create so many keyboard warriors who don't give a shit about day to day racism but care so much when it is convenient and can fuck someone popular over? Edit: If you actually believe Destiny is a racist, then you have some serious issues. Why would he raise money for 'Doctors without Borders' ??? God I despair at this so called 'community'. Clearly not moved on from the 14/15th century witch hunts.... So you fully support the usage of racial slurs as long as the person saying them says he's not racist, gotcha. Oh, he raised money for a good cause, guess we should overlook the way he's negatively representing his team and SC2 as an esport in general. | ||
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Aelonius
Netherlands432 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:31 envisioN . wrote: That's Destiny for ya. He's completely honest about his personality and realizes that people may not like him for it, but he refuses to be influenced by the rioting people who will more than likely shift their attention to some other "hot" topic in a week or so. I'm glad that he did what is best for the team, deciding to step down because he is doing more harm than good. I agree with this, and I kind of have to admit I am pretty similar in the mindset of how to interact with people. Two quotes fit here pretty well: 1. Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are. - Kurt Cobain 2. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not - Kurt Cobain These two values (actually one but meh) are something I live by  | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:35 IMABUNNEH wrote: Controlling your feelings, and HAVING those feelings, are 2 completely different things. Not really. You can control the feelings you have, you either dismiss them and kill them or give them life and act on them, or just bury them and hold them. Nobody but yourself can force you to feel a certain way, stop acting like a little victim because somebody offended you. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:32 Falcor wrote: Have you been watching the elections or any american politics or news/radio for the last 10 yrs? I'm curious if you actually thought anyone would know what you're talking about? Please explain. On May 05 2012 10:33 Smat wrote: We all are already ostracized. I don't know any significant percentage of the people in my city. How poetic. Surely you realize that's not what I meant by "ostracized". I guess I just don't understand the mindset of people who let words dominate their emotions. If only we could all be as stoic as you pretend to be. Guess what? People don't like getting called racial slurs. It's not a mystery, it's not bizarre, it's a perfectly normal human reaction to receiving horrible insults. I don't care that Destiny was forced out of Quantic but I also don't care that he used a racial slur and in my perfect world no one would give a shit either. In a perfect world racial slurs wouldn't even exist... | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
Like, oh, most any rappers ... Or hell, anyone that use the word 'bitch' Destiny ... is not a top level progamer first and foremost, he is an entertaining streamer, for an adult audience. I don't see why there's not room for that in the sc2 community. | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:46 Malgrif wrote: all he does by being himself is hurt himself Sure, if by "hurt himself" you mean "refuses to bend to mob mentality". On May 05 2012 10:47 aebriol wrote: I wonder how many people that are against Destiny, are against other entertainers that use terms that can be seen as offensive. Like, oh, most any rappers ... Or hell, anyone that use the word 'bitch' Destiny ... is not a top level progamer first and foremost, he is an entertaining streamer, for an adult audience. I don't see why there's not room for that in the sc2 community. imo we are getting this problem because this community is filled with entitled little suburban kids craving power in any form they can find it in, I really, really doubt these folks give two damns about the ethical factors in any of this, they just see a way to fuck with a progamer and jump at the chance. | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
On May 05 2012 10:46 Silvertine wrote: I'm curious if you actually thought anyone would know what you're talking about? Please explain. How poetic. Surely you realize that's not what I meant by "ostracized". If only we could all be as stoic as you pretend to be. Guess what? People don't like getting called racial slurs. It's not a mystery, it's not bizarre, it's a perfectly normal human reaction to receiving horrible insults. In a perfect world racial slurs wouldn't even exist... I am not that stoic. I get pissed off when people say mean things to me. Sometimes I don't even get mad I just get depressed. But whatever life goes on, I got my feelings hurt so what. I don't believe I have the right to hurt that person because of it be it throwing them in jail or starting a fight. sticks and stones ect. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
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