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It is evident now that this kind of situation will keep happening and that the community isn't prepared to handle them, so to help the matters, I made a flowchart outlining a few rules of how the community should handle situations like this, to avoid having unwanted consequences brought by unleashing the powers of mobs:
http://imgur.com/LgEHE
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On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians.
As a public figure he's always representing his team.
I don't believe Destiny hates Asians - I think his use of the word was misguided and not meant as a racial slur. I do think his response to the criticism is absolutely unacceptable though.
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On May 02 2012 05:25 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Right, because a single Asian person, who happens to describe himself as a "huge Destiny fan" speaks for all of the others.
Well, unless all the people in this thread including you are Asian, he speaks for more Asians than they do.
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On May 02 2012 05:25 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. His stream isn't his personal life, though. Like it or not, his name is attached to the team, and his team is attached to those sponsors. If he wants to stomp around his house shouting "faggot" to himself all day I couldn't care less, I don't think anybody is seriously trying to control how the guy acts. It's pretty obvious by now what a horrible human being he is and that's never going to change, the issue is we have to let his team and his sponsors know that we don't support this kind of behavior by anybody.
Was going to reply until I read the "it's pretty obvious..."
Again, this assumption that using the word 'nigger' means you hate black people is just ridiculously stupid.
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People actually think Destiny is a bigot?
Are you guys serious?
Here are some bigots -
Adolf Hitler
Saddam Hussein
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Destiny is not a bigot.
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On May 02 2012 05:18 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:14 Fueled wrote:You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Destiny is part of a team. Destiny has sponsors. The team and sponsors could take action in letting him go. In professional sports, teams can take action on one their players with either letting them go, fines, etc... Without the MLB governing body taking any action against the player/person. In this case Quantic needs to be the one who takes action. At this point in time Destiny is representing Quantic and all their sponsors and in this case its not the positive kind of representation. Unless Destiny gave Quantic the right to fine him in his contract, which I HIGHLY DOUBT, they can't fine him. Also, depending on the terms of his contact, which we cannot know, it's entirely possible that if Quantic cut him, they could still owe him whatever compensation he had coming. So, you are wrong.
In which case they should still step into action and release some kind of statement distancing themselves to him. I really appreciate how well they handled the Naniwa incident, which is why this makes me twice as sad.
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I wonder how the community would react if Destiny played versus Scarlett and she cheesed him and he calls her a 'tranny'.
I doubt we would be as forgiving as most people are in this thread right now.
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On May 02 2012 05:14 Envisioned wrote:
It's seriously disgusting to see so much defense for casual hate speech. Sometimes I feel like the community has finally started to mature, but then threads like this come along, and the response from some people just depresses me. Why anyone thinks casual racism, homophobia, and bigotry is cool or okay will forever beyond me.
I sent a pretty strong email to Quantic, basically stating that so long as they support and employ a racist, homophobic bigot that it is impossible to view Quantic as doing anything other than endorsing racism, homophobia, and bigotry. I really urge everyone who feels something even close to that to do the same.
Why is it so hard for everyone to just be good to each other? It's well past time for people to stop acting like hate speech is funny or okay in any situation.
I cannot agree with you more. I am against hate speech, wherever it is. Its happening on TL and I'm doing what I can to stop it.
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On May 02 2012 05:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:25 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Right, because a single Asian person, who happens to describe himself as a "huge Destiny fan" speaks for all of the others. Well, unless all the people in this thread including you are Asian, he speaks for more Asians than they do.
I'm Asian, and I've already told you my opinion.
Somewhat offended by the screenshot, but more offended by his non-apology and his rude remarks in this thread.
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On May 02 2012 05:26 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:
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No.
Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians. As a public figure he's always representing his team. I don't believe Destiny hates Asians - I think his use of the word was misguided and not meant as a racial slur. I do think his response to the criticism is absolutely unacceptable though.
His response to the criticism is his own fucking opinion, not Quantic's.
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On May 02 2012 05:17 Klondikebar wrote:
IdrA is a bad boy.
Stephano is a bad boy.
LastShadow is (at least perceived as) a bad boy.
They all manage to do it without bigotry. Bigotry does not add a rich dimension to any personality. It just makes you an asshole (and not the likeable kind).
I'm assuming you're not too familiar with these players.
Idra? The person who for a while would essentially use faggot every time he lost a game?
LastShadow, who verbally taunted Desrow with homophobic slurs and about his weight so much, that Desrow physically attacked him?
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On May 02 2012 05:08 dsousa wrote:Poll: Could this event, have an influence on which mouse you purchase next?No (105) 70% Yes (45) 30% 150 total votes Your vote: Could this event, have an influence on which mouse you purchase next? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
23 people so far saying it will
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Poll: If you're asian, are you offended?I am offended by this thread (78) 46% I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (50) 30% I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (40) 24% 168 total votes Your vote: If you're asian, are you offended? (Vote): I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am offended by this thread
As expected. The only offensive thing going on is in this thread.
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On May 02 2012 05:26 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:
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No.
Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians. As a public figure he's always representing his team. I don't believe Destiny hates Asians - I think his use of the word was misguided and not meant as a racial slur. I do think his response to the criticism is absolutely unacceptable though.
I thought the post where he replied to Sherlock's post was fucking beautiful. It summed up so much shit correctly.
Every word that we use seems to be tied to some fucking group that is offended these days and because we esports to be mainstream we try to cut it out in the hope that we will become mainstream.
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On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians.
Technically--he was merely Suggesting that Asians are inferior--not that he wishes I'll will to them.
Both are racist remarks.
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On May 02 2012 05:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:25 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Right, because a single Asian person, who happens to describe himself as a "huge Destiny fan" speaks for all of the others. Well, unless all the people in this thread including you are Asian, he speaks for more Asians than they do.
That makes no sense at all.
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On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians.
Destiny represents his sponsors all the time, not just at events. When Destiny is streaming he represents Quantic and their sponsors. Thats why they signed him, because he is a popular streamer. It wasn't for his results at tournaments.
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On May 02 2012 05:27 Arghmyliver wrote:
People actually think Destiny is a bigot?
Are you guys serious?
Here are some bigots -
Adolf Hitler
Saddam Hussein
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Destiny is not a bigot.
google "define bigoted"
2. Expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance.
you do not need to be a world class asshole or famous jerk to be a bigot.
therefore, I disagree with your statement. destiny is a bigot.
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On May 02 2012 05:29 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:
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No.
Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians. Technically--he was merely Suggesting that Asians are inferior--not that he wishes I'll will to them. Both are racist remarks.
And neither of them are what Destiny said.
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On May 02 2012 05:27 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:26 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:25 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:
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Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy. As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous. This isn't a one-time issue - apparently Destiny has no problems using racist language. If Destiny simply apologized for his behaviour I think the community would be more forgiving. Personally I know he is typically very BM, but I haven't seen anything elsewhere that would signify racist or significantly unacceptable behaviour. Everyone makes mistakes. His attitude towards the criticism sickens me though. Especially because I've had that derogatory term used towards me at one point in my life. Destiny has never BMed at an event at which he was representing his sponsors. People are racist. Words are associated with racism. Not all people who use associated words are racist, although racist people tend to use them. Destiny is obviously not expressing his profound hatred of Asians. As a public figure he's always representing his team. I don't believe Destiny hates Asians - I think his use of the word was misguided and not meant as a racial slur. I do think his response to the criticism is absolutely unacceptable though. His response to the criticism is his own fucking opinion, not Quantic's.
That's also incorrect. Quantic has chosen to have him on his team. They can't take the good part of Destiny (his appeal to SC2 fans) and not the bad.
It may not be the manager's opinion, but Quantic is endorsing his opinion by keeping him on their team without any repercussions.
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