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On May 02 2012 05:15 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:12 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 02 2012 05:05 mememolly wrote:On May 01 2012 22:16 WardenSC wrote:
I was playing vs QuanticDestiny a few hours ago where he was calling me a "gook" and a bunch of offensive words. Now I understand that one may get frustrated if he/she loses in a game (I've been there myself). I also understand that it is his stream and he may say that he can do whatever the hell he wants in his stream. However, he stands now as a "community figure" who has the reach to influence thousands of viewers daily and can skew the public's view of sc2 community in an extremely negative direction.
Isn't it reasonable to expect a level of professionalism from a player that plays on a professional team? I just don't think spurting out racial slurs left and right in front of a large audience is why Quantic sponsors Destiny to market their team.
As a note, I don't think QuanticDestiny is a true racist. However, I do believe that ignorance towards his excessive use of racial slurs would eventually lead to tolerance within the community and that would be a very dangerous outcome.
define professionalism, professionalism doesn't = whatever makes you happy the thing that made destiny a community figure is this exact image, that is why quantic hired him, why should he stop what made him popular in the first place just because it upsets some people while others know it is just entertainment? If you don't like then don't watch, if you're playing him and he says something then block him and report him to blizz but don't try and nerf the world just because you're upset, some people know destiny is just angry and not a real racist, again, don't try and protect me or insult me by setting your standards on me Sapping individuality and freedom out of the game and forcing a certain behavior on players is, I'd argue, more dangerous than a few racial slurs from a troll streamer like Destiny Exactly, indeed one of the main reasons mainstream 'sport' is devoid of actual discernible personality is due to this kind of political correctness. Now I don't WANT people to go around firing off racial slurs in football press conferences, but if you continue to censure you'll be left listening to incredibly boring monosyllabic interviews from players fearful of offending sponsors. Starcraft to me is greatly enhanced by the access to player's personalities, it adds a rich dimension to the game and it'd be a shame we lost that. Some may like Destiny's, some may dislike, but either way it adds an additional reason to support players and root for them, part of the fun of following any competitive endeavor You think slurring and hatred that has long been shed by polite society adds a "rich dimension" to Starcraft? Sheth is the ultimate manner bear. TLO is AMAZING to his fans. Stephano's stoic attitude always makes people chuckle. iNcontroL is hilarious. MC is hilarious. Huk is adorable. Those are personalities that add rich dimensions to Starcraft and they all manage to do it without being hateful. That's all subjective opinion. It's in having contrasts between mannered guys and the 'bad boys' that is the interesting element, not saying you should be a fan of people acting like pricks! Look at tennis in its 80s heyday, the contrast in temperaments between McEnroe and Borg was like night and day, and it added an extra dimension to their rivalry.
IdrA is a bad boy.
Stephano is a bad boy.
LastShadow is (at least perceived as) a bad boy.
They all manage to do it without bigotry. Bigotry does not add a rich dimension to any personality. It just makes you an asshole (and not the likeable kind).
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On May 02 2012 05:12 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:08 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 02 2012 05:05 mememolly wrote:On May 01 2012 22:16 WardenSC wrote:
I was playing vs QuanticDestiny a few hours ago where he was calling me a "gook" and a bunch of offensive words. Now I understand that one may get frustrated if he/she loses in a game (I've been there myself). I also understand that it is his stream and he may say that he can do whatever the hell he wants in his stream. However, he stands now as a "community figure" who has the reach to influence thousands of viewers daily and can skew the public's view of sc2 community in an extremely negative direction.
Isn't it reasonable to expect a level of professionalism from a player that plays on a professional team? I just don't think spurting out racial slurs left and right in front of a large audience is why Quantic sponsors Destiny to market their team.
As a note, I don't think QuanticDestiny is a true racist. However, I do believe that ignorance towards his excessive use of racial slurs would eventually lead to tolerance within the community and that would be a very dangerous outcome.
define professionalism, professionalism doesn't = whatever makes you happy the thing that made destiny a community figure is this exact image, that is why quantic hired him, why should he stop what made him popular in the first place just because it upsets some people while others know it is just entertainment? If you don't like then don't watch, if you're playing him and he says something then block him and report him to blizz but don't try and nerf the world just because you're upset, some people know destiny is just angry and not a real racist, again, don't try and protect me or insult me by setting your standards on me Sapping individuality and freedom out of the game and forcing a certain behavior on players is, I'd argue, more dangerous than a few racial slurs from a troll streamer like Destiny Exactly, indeed one of the main reasons mainstream 'sport' is devoid of actual discernible personality is due to this kind of political correctness. Now I don't WANT people to go around firing off racial slurs in football press conferences, but if you continue to censure you'll be left listening to incredibly boring monosyllabic interviews from players fearful of offending sponsors. Starcraft to me is greatly enhanced by the access to player's personalities, it adds a rich dimension to the game and it'd be a shame we lost that. Some may like Destiny's, some may dislike, but either way it adds an additional reason to support players and root for them, part of the fun of following any competitive endeavor You think slurring and hatred that has long been shed by polite society adds a "rich dimension" to Starcraft? Sheth is the ultimate manner bear. TLO is AMAZING to his fans. Stephano's stoic attitude always makes people chuckle. iNcontroL is hilarious. MC is hilarious. Huk is adorable. Those are personalities that add rich dimensions to Starcraft and they all manage to do it without being hateful.
Those people are also getting along fairly well with Destiny. Dunno about the rest. So clearly since they get along with him, they must be racists too or they would participate in this witch-hunt, right?
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i imagine that destiny doesnt BM people when he loses at live tournaments, so he is basically the guy who talks shit behind his keyboard but he streams it and apparently lots of people watch it and find it funny, so he will continue to be a piece of shit to anyone who beats him. Also people telling the OP to grow up are pretty funny since destiny acts like a raging teenager on the internet when he is how old and has a kid?????
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Wow, well from what I have learned from this thread:
Being rude and using racial slurs is the only way people can show personality.
Oh TL you are so silly sometimes.
I have nothing against Destiny but come on! Don´t act as if he is bringing about some kind of cultural revolution or something like that by using extremely common insults. Accept that he is rude but don´t pretend that people can´t or shouldn't be offended over him being rude.
This has been discussed tons anyways and I doubt he will change but its up to him if he decided to ¨sell out¨ and act like a person who acknowledges that he lives in a society or not
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On May 02 2012 05:12 Argolis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:04 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:02 Argolis wrote:On May 02 2012 04:56 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 04:54 Argolis wrote:On May 02 2012 04:53 besteady wrote:On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote:
What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so then you're fucking dumb. I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences. And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism. Not elegantly but yes, yes it will. If people give you money and then stop giving you money when you use slurs, you're going to stop using slurs if you still want money. So streamers using less slurs will solve racism. I'm shocked nobody figured this out yet! That's not what he said at all. That's exactly what he said. "having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism." "Not elegantly but yes, yes it will." Anyway, Racism has very little, if anything to do with politically correct language... I had a long reply but this thread is a trainwreck. I'm out!
No, it isn't. He said that it would solve "that racism", the obvious meaning being that it would solve that particular case of racism. You then responded as if he meant it would solve racism itself.
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On May 02 2012 05:14 Fueled wrote:Show nested quote +You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Destiny is part of a team. Destiny has sponsors. The team and sponsors could take action in letting him go. In professional sports, teams can take action on one their players with either letting them go, fines, etc... Without the MLB governing body taking any action against the player/person. In this case Quantic needs to be the one who takes action. At this point in time Destiny is representing Quantic and all their sponsors and in this case its not the positive kind of representation.
Unless Destiny gave Quantic the right to fine him in his contract, which I HIGHLY DOUBT, they can't fine him. Also, depending on the terms of his contact, which we cannot know, it's entirely possible that if Quantic cut him, they could still owe him whatever compensation he had coming. So, you are wrong.
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On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable.
What, you think sports stars don't use derogatory language during practice matches or on the street? When Destiny says something similar in a televised event, let me know. A personal stream is isn't a tournament or officially broadcast match.
Thinking that esports can't grow mainstream because people use offensive language on their personal streams is ridiculous. You guy's must not follow mainstream sports/music/television. The starcraft community is pretty tame compared to some 'mainstream' scenes.
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On May 02 2012 05:16 DomiNater wrote:
Does anyone else realize that the OP hasn't posted at all in his own thread. He's probably laughing his ass off behind his computer screen at the shitstorm he just created.
I can just see him practicing his 1 base, Proxy 2-port Banshee, 15 min all-in strategy all day long hoping for the day where he gets matched up with Destiny just so he can get BM'ed by him and then make this thread about it...
This is nothing new from Destiny. This thread could have been created 1 year ago and no one would know the difference. I bet you could find plenty of replays from Destiny, hell probably even IdrA, on replay sites where they use worse terms than this one.
That sounds pretty far fetched idea to me that the OP would do something like that.
Also, why would the OP be even obliged to be constantly posting on this thread, even though his intentions was to bring up this issue to the community in the first place?
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On May 02 2012 05:14 Envisioned wrote:
It's seriously disgusting to see so much defense for casual hate speech. Sometimes I feel like the community has finally started to mature, but then threads like this come along, and the response from some people just depresses me. Why anyone thinks casual racism, homophobia, and bigotry is cool or okay will forever beyond me.
I sent a pretty strong email to Quantic, basically stating that so long as they support and employ a racist, homophobic bigot that it is impossible to view Quantic as doing anything other than endorsing racism, homophobia, and bigotry. I really urge everyone who feels something even close to that to do the same.
Why is it so hard for everyone to just be good to each other? It's well past time for people to stop acting like hate speech is funny or okay in any situation.
So wait, apparently we can infer that Destiny hates Asians from the fact that he used the word gook?
The only phrase that should be banned is "hate speech."
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On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does.
So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy.
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On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable.
Do you expect CBS to broadcast games? Do you expect anyone to broadcast Destiny's stream on live TV? Or are you talking about tournament games where he, like most other players, rarely strays from "gl hf" and "gg"
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On May 02 2012 05:12 dmasterding wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:08 JDub wrote:
I used to really enjoy watching Destiny's stream, but I have stopped enjoying it, as every time he loses he throws out some really offensive, childish insults (his favorites involve using "autism" and "special olympics"). I for one will not watch his stream anymore. Good. Then don't. That's the mature way to go about it. If you don't like what you hear on a stream, just stop watching it. One shouldn't just get offended, and then immediately email sponsors trying to get the player seriously reprimanded for something the team obviously took into account whilst hiring him (not saying you're doing this specifically, just using your quote as an example to respond to other people in the thread.)
Yes I understand what you mean. I don't think people need to go e-mailing Razer, Quantic, everything, etc. But it's really, really naive to think that being offended by racial slurs means there is a problem with the person who is offended. It just depresses me that Destiny is still so popular. I encourage everyone to stop watching his stream until he grows up. I don't know if I've ever seen him leave a game without spewing some childish and offensive remarks in recent memory. I do enjoy watching his coaching sessions, though, and still love the good old YouTube highlights (the fail forcefield, the destroying the entire enemy 2v2 army with burrowed banelings, etc.).
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On May 02 2012 05:18 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. What, you think sports stars don't use derogatory language during practice matches or on the street? When Destiny says something similar in a televised event, let me know. A personal stream is isn't a tournament or officially broadcast match. Thinking that esports can't grow mainstream because people use offensive language on their personal streams is ridiculous. You guy's must not follow mainstream sports/music/television. The starcraft community is pretty tame compared to some 'mainstream' scenes.
See what I wrote above. You're still associated with this behaviour. That's why individuals like Michael Vick and Plaxico Burress get suspended for activities that have no relation to the NFL.
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On May 02 2012 05:18 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. What, you think sports stars don't use derogatory language during practice matches or on the street? When Destiny says something similar in a televised event, let me know. A personal stream is isn't a tournament or officially broadcast match. Thinking that esports can't grow mainstream because people use offensive language on their personal streams is ridiculous. You guy's must not follow mainstream sports/music/television. The starcraft community is pretty tame compared to some 'mainstream' scenes.
But it's still broadcasted to the public. To sponsors and most people there is no different from a stream of Destiny laddering and a stream of Destiny playing in a major team league. Especially when Destiny pulls in tons of viewers.
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I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys?
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The single and most effective way to show your lack of appreciation for that kind of behavior is to stop watching Destiny's stream. He'll understand the message as soon as he loses a couple thousand viewers on average.
I stopped watching his stream like a year ago. Apparently I was right in doing so.
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On May 02 2012 05:07 LarJarsE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:05 denzelz wrote:On May 02 2012 05:02 Kaitlin wrote:On May 02 2012 04:50 Fueled wrote:Okay, so you clicked on it and you didn't like it. Turn it off and don't watch it again.
If you turn on your TV guide, you tune into a show you've never heard of before. Family Guy, that sounds wholesome and family oriented. 30 seconds in, you are offended, what do you do?
Contact the station/companies involved and tell them you are no longer buying any products featured in the commercials because you are offended?
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Just don't watch it Again with this. You can't compare the two. Compare this to someone who is a big face in some other sport. Say a Derek Jeter for baseball or a Kobe Bryant for basketball. Do you think they wouldn't see any action against them if they said these choice words to someone they were playing against while thousands of people watched? No, they WOULD see some sort of action against them for its been done in the past and present. Actually, you can't compare the two. You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Derek Jeter is a member of Major League Baseball. The commissioner can punish him for making racial slurs as it hurts Major League Baseball. Destiny is not part of any such "League". Now, he has entered into contracts with Quantic, and sponsors, so they can make their own business decisions of whether they want to be associated with him, but they can't "punish" him. They can't stop him from doing what he does. They can simply cut their ties. Here's a solution. To those who are offended by Destiny, go write an email to Razer or whoever sponsors Quantic. I've already sent my email. That's probably the most effective way to get him to stop. Arguing in here is not productive at all. I'll stick with emailing quantic for now. if things dont change with destiny I will be emailing the sponsors of quantic, because they will have ignored many emails explaining how lame it is for destiny to use prejudice and racial slurs when streaming
This is the mentality that I honestly don't understand. Destiny's a bigot. He uses offensive language. To trash him and a team by throwing a big fit to all the sponsors of SC2 teams, which is frankly what we need in order to keep the scene alive, just seems like a giant personal vendetta against Destiny.
You think he's "lame." Cool. I get it. I go through times where I don't like him as much as I do, but trying to get him thrown off his team just because he's offensive is ridiculous. Vote with your viewership. If everyone hated him this much, no one would watch him, and he'd disappear from the scene.
But people seem to love him.
Causing a big stir is a good way to get all sponsors to never sponsor anything in esports, since they'll start to look at it in a, "well, if we put anything into that, everyone will hate everything everyone does, and we'll get a lot of complaints."
So please, think before everyone rushes off and tries to take down SC2.
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On May 02 2012 05:19 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:14 dmasterding wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. You've obviously never even paid ANY attention to Destiny's position on swearing on his stream. Swearing on the ladder, on his stream when only his viewers are watching, is WAY different from a professional game. Destiny has said that there's a time and place for everything - he most DEFINITELY would not play a broadcasted game (esp. if it WERE to be casted on CBS) and swear the way he does. So if LeBron James used derogatory and racist language when not playing NBA games or not making NBA promotional appearances that would be acceptable? Something tells me that Nike wouldn't be too happy.
As far as I'm concerned, it should be his own damn business what he says on his own time. The only reason Nike wouldn't be happy is because they don't want to be perceived as endorsing his behaviour, even though the finer points of his contract likely stipulate that his personal life isn't representative of the company. You know who's responsible for this perception? People like you, who think that uttering a word in one context might as well be a signature on a petition to legalize the crucifixion of homosexuals or something equally ridiculous.
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On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys?
Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat.
See you back here next thread I guess
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On May 02 2012 05:18 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:14 Fueled wrote:You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Destiny is part of a team. Destiny has sponsors. The team and sponsors could take action in letting him go. In professional sports, teams can take action on one their players with either letting them go, fines, etc... Without the MLB governing body taking any action against the player/person. In this case Quantic needs to be the one who takes action. At this point in time Destiny is representing Quantic and all their sponsors and in this case its not the positive kind of representation. Unless Destiny gave Quantic the right to fine him in his contract, which I HIGHLY DOUBT, they can't fine him. Also, depending on the terms of his contact, which we cannot know, it's entirely possible that if Quantic cut him, they could still owe him whatever compensation he had coming. So, you are wrong.
I'm not saying that they are going to fine him. I'm giving examples of what happens to other professionals who do the same thing.
The worst thing that they could do is letting him go in fear of losing sponsors.
So no I am not wrong, you are just reading to far into what I'm saying.
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