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dmasterding
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States205 Posts
May 01 2012 20:02 GMT
#1761
I strongly encourage anyone who is super morally offended at what Destiny's saying to watch/read all of his responses that he has made constantly over and over again to these comments in the past. He brings up some very good points.

I personally disagree with the witchhunt that's going on right now. I feel like people theorycraft too much about what other people think about e-sports and as a result overreact to everything that happens. Stop assuming that the scene is going to die just because of how Destiny acts on his stream (when people could easily be putting up mature language filters if THEY REALLY ARE BEING OFFENDED BY THESE WORDS) until this actually happens.
No tears now, only dreams.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25636 Posts
May 01 2012 20:02 GMT
#1762
On May 02 2012 04:58 Zoesan wrote:
Do you really think razer will care? Seriously?

My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.

It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
I use faggot in a similar way as you do (probably) and it's not my gay friends that are offended, but people acting 'on their behalf' to appear fucking progressive and tolerant. To divine the meaning of what is said and whether there is racist/homophobic etc intent requires an ability to contexualise which half of the respondents here seem to lack. Racist epithets don't always denote racist viewpoints.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
May 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#1763
On May 02 2012 05:01 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:57 Holytornados wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:55 Silvertine wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:52 Holytornados wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote:
What the fuck guys.

If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.

THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.

Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.

That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.

Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?

If so than you're fucking dumb.

Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?


A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.

Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.


No, he definitely picked gook because of the Asian name. But a lot fo white players use pseudo-Asian names occasionally. He was not trying to personally offend the OP, he was just raging and picked a word that he deemed suitable.

He wasn't trying to personally offend an Asian person... by telling them "Fuck off gook"? You must realize how ridiculous that sounds.


I mean I'm personally not gonna letterbomb his sponsors or anything like that, but some of the things Destiny's apologists are saying in this thread are unreal.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
May 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#1764
In general we all need to care a lot less about things. - One of the TL mods. Can't remember who.
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LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
May 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#1765
On May 02 2012 04:59 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:58 Megaliskuu wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:58 besteady wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:55 Zaqwert wrote:
So much self righteousness and sanctimony.

I'm convinced that the people who complain the loudest about this stuff aren't actually offended at all, but just have a huge zeal to show the world how understanding and progressive they are, it's more about them than anything.

Need to live and let live, not everybody is going to believe what you think they should, or speak the way you think they should, or act the way you think they should.


Yes, the people complaining about someone in destinys position calling someone a faggot and a gook infront of thousands of (possibly young)viewers need to "live and let live".


Young people shouldn't be watching, there is a warning on his stream page.


And a mature language filter for those he plays against in game.

he was insulted in front of thousands of viewers. and also, as I stated before in this thread: "mature words" are not the same as prejudice and racist slurs. those are pretty immature words to me. I would like to still see what someone is saying #@$@, and if someone is being a racist during a game, I will report them to blizz.
since 98'
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
May 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#1766
Why exactly is this all the sudden a big deal now? I've been wathing Destiny stream for a long time and this isn't exactly new, him cussing out people is 90% of the fun. I find internet rage hillarious, the more offensive and awful the better. I don't view it as "real" There's pretty much nothing anyone on the internet can say that would offend me at all.

It's like when kids you didn't even know woul tell "yo mamma" jokes. I was like, oh this is supposed to get me mad? Someone who has never met my mom staying "bad" stuff about her to get a rile out of me is supposed to get a rile out of me?

When you insult someone it seems like the goal is to make them angry or sad. By not getting upset, you win. By getting upset, they win.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
May 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#1767
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.

Should contact quantic's sponsors though.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
May 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#1768
On May 02 2012 05:02 Argolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:56 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:54 Argolis wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:53 besteady wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote:
What the fuck guys.

If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.

THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.

Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.

That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.

Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?

If so then you're fucking dumb.



I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences.


And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism.


Not elegantly but yes, yes it will. If people give you money and then stop giving you money when you use slurs, you're going to stop using slurs if you still want money.


So streamers using less slurs will solve racism. I'm shocked nobody figured this out yet!


People in general using less slurs will help solve racism yes...is that really shocking or ludicrous for you?
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#1769
On May 02 2012 04:55 TheKefka wrote:
I think its sorta late to make a serious post in this thread,but just stop for a second and think about the situation in which he used the word gook and the sort of punishment some of you people are advocating by emailing his sponsors/team,whatever.Your essentially trying to get a guy fired for using a bad word in a state of rage which,partially,the OP induced.I'm not a destiny fan but do you honestly think having him loose his job would satisfy you in any way?
Speaking about double standards why has no one started this "email the sponsors" craze before,while he was actively throwing the words nigger and rape around which was 100 times worse imo(when you casually say it without a second thought) than the context in which the word gook was used in this situation,out of ladder rage.
Oh yea,orb was fired in the mean time so the people suddenly feel empowered to decide when its right to ask for a persons head on a plate.I don't get how so many of you are in such a drunk rage to get a man fired when I bet most of you had a situation in real life,in which if I would have taken a out of context screen shot or video I could run out to your boss and get you fired for it.
I don't think that racial discrimination is right and I don't think we should encourage it,but this "KILL IT WITH FIRE" mentality is something that I am really confused by.

To be fair, it's not the first time and probably not the last, like some of his fans stated, he does it all the time. Most of the people who complain here just want him to be defeatured. After all, he has 0 results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
May 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#1770
On May 02 2012 05:02 Argolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:56 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:54 Argolis wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:53 besteady wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote:
What the fuck guys.

If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.

THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.

Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.

That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.

Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?

If so then you're fucking dumb.



I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences.


And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism.


Not elegantly but yes, yes it will. If people give you money and then stop giving you money when you use slurs, you're going to stop using slurs if you still want money.


So streamers using less slurs will solve racism. I'm shocked nobody figured this out yet!

That's not what he said at all.
Taug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
May 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#1771
LOL@destiny, anyone who watches his stream has too much time on their hands.

User was warned for this post
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HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
May 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#1772
On May 02 2012 05:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:58 Zoesan wrote:
Do you really think razer will care? Seriously?

My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.

It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
I use faggot in a similar way as you do (probably) and it's not my gay friends that are offended, but people acting 'on their behalf' to appear fucking progressive and tolerant. To divine the meaning of what is said and whether there is racist/homophobic etc intent requires an ability to contexualise which half of the respondents here seem to lack. Racist epithets don't always denote racist viewpoints.


So you honestly expect people to have some divine knowledge of your innner thoughts to KNOW that you are not racist, or to somehow assume that when you use racist/homophobic language you are, in fact, NOT racist?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
May 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#1773
On May 02 2012 04:57 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:56 thatsundowner wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:54 Argolis wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:53 besteady wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote:
What the fuck guys.

If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.

THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.

Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.

That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.

Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?

If so then you're fucking dumb.



I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences.


And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism.


It won't solve racism, but a scene that supports that kind of behavior doesn't deserve sponsorships.


So you're trying to save the scene by destroying the scene?


If "the scene" is so fragile that it can be destroyed by some racist comments made over the internet, maybe those hoping to earn their living off "the scene" should make alternative career plans.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
May 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#1774
On May 01 2012 22:16 WardenSC wrote:
I was playing vs QuanticDestiny a few hours ago where he was calling me a "gook" and a bunch of offensive words. Now I understand that one may get frustrated if he/she loses in a game (I've been there myself). I also understand that it is his stream and he may say that he can do whatever the hell he wants in his stream. However, he stands now as a "community figure" who has the reach to influence thousands of viewers daily and can skew the public's view of sc2 community in an extremely negative direction.

Isn't it reasonable to expect a level of professionalism from a player that plays on a professional team? I just don't think spurting out racial slurs left and right in front of a large audience is why Quantic sponsors Destiny to market their team.

As a note, I don't think QuanticDestiny is a true racist. However, I do believe that ignorance towards his excessive use of racial slurs would eventually lead to tolerance within the community and that would be a very dangerous outcome.






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define professionalism, professionalism doesn't = whatever makes you happy

the thing that made destiny a community figure is this exact image, that is why quantic hired him, why should he stop what made him popular in the first place just because it upsets some people while others know it is just entertainment?

If you don't like then don't watch, if you're playing him and he says something then block him and report him to blizz but don't try and nerf the world just because you're upset, some people know destiny is just angry and not a real racist, again, don't try and protect me or insult me by setting your standards on me

Sapping individuality and freedom out of the game and forcing a certain behavior on players is, I'd argue, more dangerous than a few racial slurs from a troll streamer like Destiny
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
May 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#1775
On May 02 2012 05:02 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:50 Fueled wrote:
Okay, so you clicked on it and you didn't like it. Turn it off and don't watch it again.

If you turn on your TV guide, you tune into a show you've never heard of before. Family Guy, that sounds wholesome and family oriented. 30 seconds in, you are offended, what do you do?

Contact the station/companies involved and tell them you are no longer buying any products featured in the commercials because you are offended?

OR

Just don't watch it

Again with this. You can't compare the two.

Compare this to someone who is a big face in some other sport. Say a Derek Jeter for baseball or a Kobe Bryant for basketball. Do you think they wouldn't see any action against them if they said these choice words to someone they were playing against while thousands of people watched? No, they WOULD see some sort of action against them for its been done in the past and present.


Actually, you can't compare the two. You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Derek Jeter is a member of Major League Baseball. The commissioner can punish him for making racial slurs as it hurts Major League Baseball. Destiny is not part of any such "League". Now, he has entered into contracts with Quantic, and sponsors, so they can make their own business decisions of whether they want to be associated with him, but they can't "punish" him. They can't stop him from doing what he does. They can simply cut their ties.


Here's a solution. To those who are offended by Destiny, go write an email to Razer or whoever sponsors Quantic. I've already sent my email. That's probably the most effective way to get him to stop. Arguing in here is not productive at all.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
May 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#1776
If everyone who thinks that contacting a sponsor (which actually takes money OUT of esports) or starting a witch hunt in a thread actually helps esports would actually pay for 1 event, the scene would grow tenfold. Just food for thought.
Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
May 01 2012 20:06 GMT
#1777
Hasn't he quit SC2? I thought he moved on to pretending he was a LoL player now after saying that took more skill than sc2
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Slike
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece127 Posts
May 01 2012 20:06 GMT
#1778
On May 02 2012 04:58 besteady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 04:55 Zaqwert wrote:
So much self righteousness and sanctimony.

I'm convinced that the people who complain the loudest about this stuff aren't actually offended at all, but just have a huge zeal to show the world how understanding and progressive they are, it's more about them than anything.

Need to live and let live, not everybody is going to believe what you think they should, or speak the way you think they should, or act the way you think they should.


Yes, the people complaining about someone in destinys position calling someone a faggot and a gook infront of thousands of (possibly young)viewers need to "live and let live".


No , they should close that stream if they re offended and not support the guy. They should also not click on the "are you 18?" question just before you open the stream and read better in order to see the notification "explicit content". This isnt an issue of the viewer , quit making it that. Its none of your bussiness what he says on his stream you have a choice to not watch it and not support him. The only person who has a right to be outraged is the OP and receiver of the insults.
dmasterding
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States205 Posts
May 01 2012 20:07 GMT
#1779
On May 02 2012 05:05 HorsemasterK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 05:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:58 Zoesan wrote:
Do you really think razer will care? Seriously?

My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.

It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
I use faggot in a similar way as you do (probably) and it's not my gay friends that are offended, but people acting 'on their behalf' to appear fucking progressive and tolerant. To divine the meaning of what is said and whether there is racist/homophobic etc intent requires an ability to contexualise which half of the respondents here seem to lack. Racist epithets don't always denote racist viewpoints.


So you honestly expect people to have some divine knowledge of your innner thoughts to KNOW that you are not racist, or to somehow assume that when you use racist/homophobic language you are, in fact, NOT racist?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...


You don't have to have divine knowledge of someone's inner thoughts to realize that they aren't racist. This can easily be figured out just by actually paying attention to how that person acts for even a short period of time, instead of going completely apeshit whenever he says the word.
No tears now, only dreams.
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
May 01 2012 20:07 GMT
#1780
On May 02 2012 05:05 denzelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 05:02 Kaitlin wrote:
On May 02 2012 04:50 Fueled wrote:
Okay, so you clicked on it and you didn't like it. Turn it off and don't watch it again.

If you turn on your TV guide, you tune into a show you've never heard of before. Family Guy, that sounds wholesome and family oriented. 30 seconds in, you are offended, what do you do?

Contact the station/companies involved and tell them you are no longer buying any products featured in the commercials because you are offended?

OR

Just don't watch it

Again with this. You can't compare the two.

Compare this to someone who is a big face in some other sport. Say a Derek Jeter for baseball or a Kobe Bryant for basketball. Do you think they wouldn't see any action against them if they said these choice words to someone they were playing against while thousands of people watched? No, they WOULD see some sort of action against them for its been done in the past and present.


Actually, you can't compare the two. You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Derek Jeter is a member of Major League Baseball. The commissioner can punish him for making racial slurs as it hurts Major League Baseball. Destiny is not part of any such "League". Now, he has entered into contracts with Quantic, and sponsors, so they can make their own business decisions of whether they want to be associated with him, but they can't "punish" him. They can't stop him from doing what he does. They can simply cut their ties.


Here's a solution. To those who are offended by Destiny, go write an email to Razer or whoever sponsors Quantic. I've already sent my email. That's probably the most effective way to get him to stop. Arguing in here is not productive at all.


I'll stick with emailing quantic for now. if things dont change with destiny I will be emailing the sponsors of quantic, because they will have ignored many emails explaining how lame it is for destiny to use prejudice and racial slurs when streaming
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