On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so than you're fucking dumb.
Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?
A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.
Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.
I don't see anything terribly significant about a sample size of two in two different games, both of which have large asian player bases.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so than you're fucking dumb.
Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?
A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.
Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.
No, he definitely picked gook because of the Asian name. But a lot fo white players use pseudo-Asian names occasionally. He was not trying to personally offend the OP, he was just raging and picked a word that he deemed suitable.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so then you're fucking dumb.
I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences.
And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism.
It won't solve racism, but a scene that supports that kind of behavior doesn't deserve sponsorships.
So you're trying to save the scene by destroying the scene?
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so then you're fucking dumb.
Regardless of if its racist or not, this attitude is close to as bad as the one of Destiny. You need to calm down, posting emotionally fueled stuff like this doesn't help anyone.
What? Did you read the like 85 pages of posts before mine? That is my view of racism yo. In my opinion, racism is a manifestation of supreme ignorance. Destiny is anything but ignorant. I trust he has the discretion required to use swear words in conversation. Sorry for the emotion, I guess I just don't suffer fools lightly.
On May 02 2012 04:55 Zaqwert wrote: So much self righteousness and sanctimony.
I'm convinced that the people who complain the loudest about this stuff aren't actually offended at all, but just have a huge zeal to show the world how understanding and progressive they are, it's more about them than anything.
Need to live and let live, not everybody is going to believe what you think they should, or speak the way you think they should, or act the way you think they should.
Yes, the people complaining about someone in destinys position calling someone a faggot and a gook infront of thousands of (possibly young)viewers need to "live and let live".
On May 02 2012 03:57 Arghmyliver wrote: There is a popular adage -
Stick and stones may break my bones, But words can never hurt me.
The moral being - shit can only bring you down if you let it.
If you WANT it to mean something horrible, then it always will. And that's a fact.
If I called you Hot Dog and you took it as an offensive term for males, you know? You can let this shit get to you, or you can think to yourself "Gee I made him angry, SUCCESS!"
Except the words we're talking about already do mean something terrible. You don't have to take them that way, the words are being used because they're horrible slurs for a certain group of people. You can swear up and down that you don't mean it in that way, but you chose that word for a reason.
Words like nigger and faggot didn't always carry power as vehicles of racism. But I think they will for a long time in the future so long as people refuse to accept that they are used in other senses.
I don't understand why people are bothered so much, if people tossed out all the racial slurs targeted at my race in a game, I would just chuckle and move on to the next game, why can't all these posters realize they are just words lol, and should stop being offended for other people. Destiny has built his fanbase around his ragey antics and idgaf attitude, so why is it suddenly a big issue, is everyone really so thin-skinned?
It's great that you have thick skin, but not everybody does. And they shouldn't be expected to just deal with it when this shouldn't be acceptable in the first place.
so we should cater to thin skinned people instead?
I have to agree though if someone over the internet insulted my race, sexuality or gender I'm not going to break down into tears nor am I going to let a tear out, why? Because it's the fucking internet. People hide behind the internet because it's easy as a result you become desensitised to what you're doing because the consequences are less.
If you want to do it face to face in person, then we have a problem
It's not about catering to anybody, it's about being a reasonable human being and thinking about how what you say affects other people. The internet isn't just some faceless mass of people anymore, what happens here can and should have real life consequences for people.
It doesn't affect me, but it seems to affect you.
Where is the middle ground we're supposed to stand on?
My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.
It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
On May 02 2012 04:55 Zaqwert wrote: So much self righteousness and sanctimony.
I'm convinced that the people who complain the loudest about this stuff aren't actually offended at all, but just have a huge zeal to show the world how understanding and progressive they are, it's more about them than anything.
Need to live and let live, not everybody is going to believe what you think they should, or speak the way you think they should, or act the way you think they should.
Yes, the people complaining about someone in destinys position calling someone a faggot and a gook infront of thousands of (possibly young)viewers need to "live and let live".
Young people shouldn't be watching, there is a warning on his stream page.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so then you're fucking dumb.
I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences.
And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism.
It won't solve racism, but a scene that supports that kind of behavior doesn't deserve sponsorships.
So you're trying to save the scene by destroying the scene?
On May 02 2012 04:55 Zaqwert wrote: So much self righteousness and sanctimony.
I'm convinced that the people who complain the loudest about this stuff aren't actually offended at all, but just have a huge zeal to show the world how understanding and progressive they are, it's more about them than anything.
Need to live and let live, not everybody is going to believe what you think they should, or speak the way you think they should, or act the way you think they should.
Yes, the people complaining about someone in destinys position calling someone a faggot and a gook infront of thousands of (possibly young)viewers need to "live and let live".
Young people shouldn't be watching, there is a warning on his stream page.
And a mature language filter for those he plays against in game.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so than you're fucking dumb.
Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?
A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.
Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.
No, he definitely picked gook because of the Asian name. But a lot fo white players use pseudo-Asian names occasionally. He was not trying to personally offend the OP, he was just raging and picked a word that he deemed suitable.
Also the guys name is DaeHanMinGuk. Perhaps its a pun. But no, Destiny is too ignorant for that - it was probably his pent up hatred for those born on the Korean peninsula.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so than you're fucking dumb.
Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?
A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.
Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.
No, he definitely picked gook because of the Asian name. But a lot fo white players use pseudo-Asian names occasionally. He was not trying to personally offend the OP, he was just raging and picked a word that he deemed suitable.
He picked a word to label someone as non-white in order to rank his opponent as inferior to him. Ie--racism.
On May 02 2012 03:52 babylon wrote: I have no issue with bringing social justice issues to the table; what I'm annoyed about is people trying to pretend they actually care about social justice when all they want to do is create more drama and subject yet another community figure to a witchhunt. I highly doubt more than 10% of the people complaining in this thread about Destiny's language actually do anything outside of lambasting people on the internet to promote social justice when confronted with problems in the real world.
If you're gonna try to get Destiny fired, sure, go right ahead, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're making a "big change," especially considering the usual gaming population. Until your concern for these issues steps outside of "I'm going to make a post on the internet about it and then email the sponsors, let me feel good about myself for stamping out the use of racist slurs on a stream watched by a miniscule portion of the population, many of whom use it themselves and/or have encountered it before and have no issues with hearing it or using it in every day life and who couldn't care less if Destiny loses his team so long as he continues to stream," then ... well, I hope you see where I'm going here. What will emailing the sponsors do? Well, in one scenario, a major SC2 team loses its sponsorship and ... people still continue to use whatever words they want. In another, Destiny gets kicked and people still continue to use whatever words they want. Yet in another, nothing happens and people still continue to use whatever words they want.
I see a lot of people complaining that the people raising an outcry don't 'really' have the right motivations. They are merely swept up by outrage or love drama, and do not really care enough about what is wrong with racist language.
While this might be true (but really...what evidence do we have for claims about the motivations of these posters?) it does not change the fact that they are at least taking the right ACTION. That is, they may be doing the right thing, with the wrong motivation. This is a step in the direction of being a good person. As Aristotle argues, first we imitate good people and take good actions (maybe because we are forced!), and this will eventually lead to a good character.
Sure, maybe people are just emailing Quantic and/or sponsors out of momentary passion. But I am alright with this. It is a step in the right direction.
My problem is that it doesn't even send a message about what is "right" or what is "wrong," just that the community has the power to jerk around progamers whenever it decides it's tired of them. I won't lie; I hate falsity, but that's not even the root of my problem with the responses in this thread. Getting swept up in the passion and hanging a community member not because you care for the issues you're even talking about but because you just want to see drama unfold is, yes, part of the issue, because it gives people the feeling that they're doing something, and then they use that as an excuse to not act when they see it happening right in front of their very eyes in the real world. "I object to the use of racist slurs on the internet! Surely that's enough?" is basically the internal reasoning that goes on, because most people are much too polite/afraid to tell people straight to their face that they're offended (if they are); or they'll just shy away and be massive hypocrites because they don't really care, but just like to pretend they do, and it's way easier to pretend online than in person, and hey, brownie points, I'm a good person if I act like I'm super-offended enough to get someone fired over this!
How do we address social justice? By first instilling actual consideration and care for the problems at hand, instead of encouraging people to fake consideration and care. Otherwise, the "right action" (as you consider it) and the "change" that action inspires is short-lived and impermanent, because it is not sincere, and there is no actual change taking place beneath the surface. All we have is a facade that will be lost anyways by the time the next generation rolls around.
There are appropriate ways to go about addressing social justice; trying to dismantle someone's career and livelihood on the internet is not it and does not do anything but fuel the flame.
I take your point and agree with much of what you say. However, I think - as I said earlier by means of referencing Aristotle's ethical system - that one way to instill "actual consideration and care for the problems at hand" is for people to 'go through the motions' multiple times. If people without mature moral judgment take lots of right actions, this helps them develop good moral character.
Let me summarize a position I hold: False sincerity in an issue hinders actual progress, because it gives us the illusion that change is happening when the underlying attitude towards that issue is not morphing, just the facade on top of it. Because of that illusion, real progress actually slows down, because we are not aware of the degree to which the problem needs to be addressed.
Going through the motions is good for those things that don't require sincerity; unfortunately, lasting change does require it. The ones who care about and understand the issue, truly, will teach the younger generation that it is wrong and why it is wrong. The ones who don't, won't; it's not to say they don't object to it, but it just won't occur to them that it needs to be said, because they just "accept it" without dwelling too much on the issue itself, or maybe they understand it subconsciously, but don't spend enough time consciously thinking about it and why it is wrong. It's easy enough to "remember" when it's brought up right before your eyes like in this thread, but at the same time it's so easy to "forget" when it's no longer staring you in the face. To be honest, there are actually not many parents who sit down, and without provocation and prompting, tell their children, "Do not say X, Y, Z, do not act like A, B, C towards others." It is always, "If someone acts like A, B, C or says X, Y, Z to you, come tell me or tell the teacher." Subtle difference? Maybe. But I think it matters, especially at such a young age.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so than you're fucking dumb.
Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?
A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.
Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.
No, he definitely picked gook because of the Asian name. But a lot fo white players use pseudo-Asian names occasionally. He was not trying to personally offend the OP, he was just raging and picked a word that he deemed suitable.
He wasn't trying to personally offend an Asian person... by telling them "Fuck off gook"? You must realize how ridiculous that sounds.
Okay, so you clicked on it and you didn't like it. Turn it off and don't watch it again.
If you turn on your TV guide, you tune into a show you've never heard of before. Family Guy, that sounds wholesome and family oriented. 30 seconds in, you are offended, what do you do?
Contact the station/companies involved and tell them you are no longer buying any products featured in the commercials because you are offended?
OR
Just don't watch it
Again with this. You can't compare the two.
Compare this to someone who is a big face in some other sport. Say a Derek Jeter for baseball or a Kobe Bryant for basketball. Do you think they wouldn't see any action against them if they said these choice words to someone they were playing against while thousands of people watched? No, they WOULD see some sort of action against them for its been done in the past and present.
Actually, you can't compare the two. You can't compare people playing a video game over the internet to organized professional sports leagues. Derek Jeter is a member of Major League Baseball. The commissioner can punish him for making racial slurs as it hurts Major League Baseball. Destiny is not part of any such "League". Now, he has entered into contracts with Quantic, and sponsors, so they can make their own business decisions of whether they want to be associated with him, but they can't "punish" him. They can't stop him from doing what he does. They can simply cut their ties.
On May 02 2012 04:08 Derrida wrote: It's incredible this is still being labeled as a witch hunt of people who have nothing better to do with their lives than to ruin an "established figure" of Starcraft II scene.
Those of us who think this kind of behavior should not be tolerated are not arguing with people who are okay with it. Most of the people who are offended would turn to Destiny for an explanation. And Destiny said he doesn't give a fuck. So, if people are still offended and not persuaded by the offenders' justification/response/apology, it is within their power to pursue this as they wish.
However, most of the people who are okay with this behavior are just arguing through ad hominems, or trying to prove that being offended by this behavior is a sign of no-lifers. If you are okay with it, how about trying to understand that some people genuinely have a problem with this kind of language in general, or this kind of language in starcraft II as an e-sports in particular. You don't really help the situation by saying "ur trying to fuck destiny in the ass."
Nobody say it should be condoned. Majority of the ones against this witchhunt is against it because the proponents are explicitly targetting sponsors. These type of vigilante justice will result in significant collateral damage to the scene, as explained by iNcontroL, Alex Garfield, and Jason Lake.
On May 02 2012 02:03 iNcontroL wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:54 noidontthinkso wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote: mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible.
mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that.
Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people.
Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors.
well, when its enough then its enough
and for me, the absolute limit is reached
so u aim for the head, since quantic does not seem to care about destiny at all
did the orb story hurted esports sponsoring? no.
Yes, you just don't see it. What doesn't come forward or public doesn't mean it didn't have the intention to do so before.
I know everyone has the ability to post on TL so I guess I shouldn't be responding but it's important that other people know I guess: Yes, emailing EG's sponsors with the orb situation DID have a negative effect.
EG is fortunate enough to have amazing fans who on a regular basis email our sponsors and tell em they love em and appreciate what they do for eSports. That was needed because of the people that emailed saying EG sponsors/supports a racist. Sponsors don't read every thread, they don't check forums, they don't watch every tweet.. when they get an email there is a dangerous possibility that is the ONLY message from that situation they are getting. Emails aren't filtered or edited for fairness they are 90% the emotional response from someone (when the situation is like an orb/destiny) and it's the first draft. Those emails can cause real damage in a industry (SC2) that isn't shitting gold.. we are fighting for survival.
I understand you hear all the time: email sponsors! Tell em you love em! and I could understand the argument "well they need to hear the good with the bad." But that is dangerous for us. Destiny doesn't represent all of Quantic nor does he represent all of the community but when you email the sponsors about a relatively small issue you can potentially cause gargantuan ripples in a place where we can't afford said ripples.
Just please trust me on this.. email the shit out of quantic. Tweet the shit out of them. Post on TL about how upset you are.. but do NOT email sponsors threatening them with things and telling them one side of a small story.
On March 09 2012 12:42 ottersareneat wrote:
*For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it.
For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us.
I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors.
starting 3:30
You're pretty naive. Now I'm not really picking sides in this debate, but the hypocrisy from these guys on this subject is ridiculous.
They're getting sponsored by these companies!!!
These guys are saying that because anything they do, they get the ability to apologize, explain it away, or deal with their managers instead of the real world. Their livelihood directly depends on this crap. But does it actually effect esports?? Of course not. Orb getting removed from casting the MC doesn't mean anything. And the fact is esports is moving so fast that sponsors aren't going to leave the scene, they're going to transfer their loyalty from one team/person to another.
By bringing this to sponsors you're causing these people additional headaches, you're not hurting esports.
Think for yourself man, don't listen to these talking heads constantly. They're great if you need to brush up on your PvZ but in real life they're out for themselves, just like everyone else.
Sponsors' first decision is not one team over another (or one player over another), it's whether they want to spend marketing dollars on esports or sports or tv marketing. There's nothing misleading about anything they said.
Trust me on this. I was one of the first sc2 competition sponsors, and my company exited the scene for good reasons (it aint worth the effort).
It's worth the effort for plenty of companies, and my point is that the reward you're getting is growing, not shrinking.
I might not know esports, but I sure as hell know business, and for companies like Razer, Steelseries, Soundblaster? This is their target market. They're not going anywhere. Even for the Monster's and the Red Bulls of the world, they're getting an awfully nice demographic if they're willing to pay a premium for it.
Anyone with a valid opinion that is worth trusting on this issue like JLake or Ottersareneat have huge conflicts of interest.
Even for the endemic sponsors, they have a choice between various genres. If League of Legends fans are easier to appease and less likely to schedule monthly witchhunt (and has three times the stream viewership), why would they want to stick around? This is not even considering the fact that the lifestyle and other mainstream sponsors are just barely starting to dip their toes in.
The ROI from our scene has strong potential, but vague and lacks proper metrics. All the sponsors right now, including the endemics are just testing waters with their money. The test can lead to bigger money down the line, but it can also led them to exit the market all together.
Don't want to derail any further, so this will be my last, but that's pretty much my entire point. Obviously the difference between LoL and SC2 is the consumer engagement. If SC2 is worth the ROI then that's what's going to drive things.
Any sort of backlash you get from people mailing sponsors is going to be made up pretty quickly by teams getting their shit together and refusing to hire people that use racial slurs, etc. TL is a nice example. Anyone think any of this will ever be an issue for their players/casters? Sloppy teams need to clean up their act.
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so then you're fucking dumb.
I KNOW you THINK racism is DEAD, but there are EXAMPLES of IT everywhere in THE news and PERSONALY i have racist FAMILY members and RACIST acquaitences.
And having Quantic's sponsors pull their support and financing out of the starcraft 2 scene will help solve that racism.
Not elegantly but yes, yes it will. If people give you money and then stop giving you money when you use slurs, you're going to stop using slurs if you still want money.
So streamers using less slurs will solve racism. I'm shocked nobody figured this out yet!
On May 02 2012 04:47 Arghmyliver wrote: What the fuck guys.
If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ONE RACE is SUPERIOR to another - you are an IGNORANT FUCKING LUNATIC.
THE ONLY reason that these words were EVER offensive was the CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE USED.
Its fucking 2012 - the most fucking offensive term these days in the US is probably "sandnigger" because racist fucking lunatics actually think that people of Middle-Eastern/Arabic descent are inferior. And that's just pure, dumb, stupid, ignorance. And honestly it stems from the fact that these idiots are pants-shitting xenophobics. They are SO AFRAID of a group of people that they resort to dehumanizing them.
That makes you a racist. It also makes you a fucking dumbass.
Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that Destiny is like "Oh God, not another Korean! I hate these guys, they all look alike and they've got no Seoul cause they Seould it to get good at SC!"?
If so than you're fucking dumb.
Seems suspicious that he happened to land on the word "gook" while playing vs. a korean huh?
A lot of the time people throw the term "nigger" around at everyone, not just black people. It doesn't matter who he was facing; it was just a word he used.
Oh, so he just happened to say "gook" against someone who clearly had an Asian name twice(the other case being on LoL)? That doesn't seem very likely.
No, he definitely picked gook because of the Asian name. But a lot fo white players use pseudo-Asian names occasionally. He was not trying to personally offend the OP, he was just raging and picked a word that he deemed suitable.
I kinda disagree on this one. When he started playing on the KR server he was told that calling Koreans "dogs" was particularly offensive and started using that exclusively as his BM on that server. His use of language is tailored to be provocative towards the race of the person he thinks he is playing.
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