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Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1181
" Alright, I did some thinking, I'm sorry about what I said. Here's a link to my official statement on the issue - http://tinyurl.com/apologytocommunity "

Destiny on Twitter.
SovietHammer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:58:58
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1182
On May 02 2012 02:39 farvacola wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:36 pirsq wrote:
How to hurt esports through an act of self-validating moral authority:

1. Go to http://www.razersupport.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit

2. Click "Public Relations - USA"

3. Type in a message like the following:
Dear Razer,

I have purchased many Razer products over the last several years, and am glad that some of my money has been spent on the Starcraft 2 community. However, I am disgusted by the behaviour of one of the teams you sponsor, Quantic Gaming.

Steven "Destiny" Bonnell, a member of Quantic Gaming, is a popular entertainer known for his angry outbursts. He frequently hurls racist abuse on his stream, an example of which can be found at http://i.imgur.com/iaSWu.jpg

This behaviour is unacceptable. Bonnell was dropped from his previous team, Complexity Gaming, for this behaviour, and Quantic Gaming signed him up with full knowledge of this.

I will not purchase any more products from Razer, and will encourage my friends to not purchase any products from Razer, until Razer ceases sponsorship of Steven Bonnell, either through his dropping by Quantic Gaming, or a cessation of sponsorship for Quantic Gaming as a whole.

(Sign here)


4. Fill in your name and email, and click submit

Fixed that for you..


My email to razor, in an attempt to mitagate any damage done by this poor judment:

"Razor is my favored company when it comes to the purchase of gaming equipment. The company's support of the StarCraft player Steven "Destiny" Bonnell has increased my desire to purchase razor products in the future. I appreciate razor's commitment to supporting eSports and its players, and I would simply like to say thank you."

Attempting to slander a promineate player in the community for expressing emotion does in no why help this game, scene, or any players related to esports.

PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:57:23
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1183
yep just taunting people.
classy.
actually its pretty childish.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1184
On May 02 2012 02:52 goswser wrote:
All the people writing to razer are the most hypocritical self-righteous people I've ever seen. I would wager a lot that the majority of these people don't own a single razer product, but they're sending emails saying things like "I've purchased every razer product ever and now will never purchase one ever again". To top it off these people are saying they will tell all their friends to not purchase any razer products. I would also wager not a single one of these people will tell any of their friends to not purchase razer products.

Pretty much everyone complaining is lying and hypocritical, and taking this opportunity to enjoy and abuse power they normally don't have.


Just like thousands did with orb. Or you don't want equal treatment? Or crucifying one guy is enough, we should let this slip?
ggaemo fan
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1185
On May 02 2012 02:56 noidontthinkso wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:55 Firesilver wrote:


whats his age 23?

he acts like a 12 year old


I must admit that is a pretty childish thing to do at this time.
Caster at IMBA.tv -- www.twitter.com/IMBAFiresilver -- www.youtube.com/FiresilverTV
Mugennn
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia11 Posts
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1186
[QUOTE]On May 02 2012 02:53 Zuxo wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:45 Destiny wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:35 Rocor wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:
Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck!

TO DESTINY
I have a question for you regarding your most recent racial slur... I asked you the same question during your rants about the n-word and you never answered.

when you said it (g**k), what did it mean to you ?

Why did you use that word in apparent anger?

Was there no other way to express your emotions at the time ?

Was the word used to entertain your viewers or to insult your opponent ?
- if yes, why would you think that word would be entertaining to your viewers, or insulting to your opponent ??

try to answer these questions without sounding like a bigot..

Eh, was the word that came to my mind at the time. Good enough reason for me to use it.


It makes me sad that there exists this kind of people in this world

It makes me sad that people are so sensitive to that, sure he probably shouldn't have said it ... but the community shouldn't have responded this way
"bite off more then you can chew, then chew it "
Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:57:46
May 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#1187
On May 02 2012 02:53 TheChostoProject wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:50 Ameisenmann wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:47 TheChostoProject wrote:
This is totally outrageous, If we want our community to grow we need to start thinking before talking/posting. We need to take special care on the selection of words we use when we want to insult/offend someone. I mean, we want them to feel bad but not too bad.

Here's a list of words we all should eliminate because some people's feelings might get hurt beyond our original intention of hurting them.

faggot - offensive to the gay community
nigger - offensive to the black community
gook - offensive to asians(?)
spic - offensive to hispanics
retarded - offensive to mentally challenged
rape - offensive to rape victims
snipe - offensive to war veterans
nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors
grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors
murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family
cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer


Also, don't do drugs and eat vegetables, ok?

Always that joke argument.. Do you want to hear soccer players calling each other faggots in all of the post-match interviews? I don't think so.


Have you ever played soccer/sports? It happens all the time during the game.

Insulting someone while laddering is not like insulting someone in an interview.

That's why I said in post match interviews because you don't hear it during the match.
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 01 2012 17:57 GMT
#1188
On May 02 2012 02:50 pt wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:49 JOJOsc2news wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I wish our community didn't have so much power. I feel like we're the ones that are going to be the death of esports.


This is the saddest post in this entire thread.


Its sad because its true. I probably said this a hundred times, but holy shit its like people complain just because they can.


People do complain because they can. Another thing they will do if they can is go to the highest power and complain straight to them. It's the same thing for most business. This thread has been made and quantic will see it. But most people don't trust that quantic will say or do something(they most likely will if this thread gets large enough, which it has IMO) They could even just email quantic but they won't. They will instead go straight to the heart, which is the sponsers. In turn, all this does is make sponsers re-think their position in Esports and whether they really want to stay in it.
Root4Root
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:59:04
May 01 2012 17:57 GMT
#1189
On May 02 2012 02:48 Mugennn wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I wish our community didn't have so much power. I feel like we're the ones that are going to be the death of esports.


I couldnt agree more, It's scary to think that a vocal minority could be so destructive.


Hello there, my good Australian friend. Speaking of destructive vocal minorities, have you had a gander at our good ole American politics?

I can't believe people are going nuts about this, when Kespa-Blizzard-OGN-GOM are expected to make one of the largest announcements concerning pro Starcraft in less than 24 hours.

Anyways, because this point cannot be emphasized enough: Do not contact sponsors. They do not give a shit about how Destiny acts, they only want ROI for their products. They are not going to pressure Destiny to stop using slurs, they are going to pull out and stop supporting the entire team. This includes guys like Naniwa and Sase, who are two very promising players who could lose funding even though they are faultless.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Switchy
Profile Joined June 2011
343 Posts
May 01 2012 17:57 GMT
#1190
Haha 50+ page thread in a short time because 'MR Bonnell said a bad word boohoo' if you dont like his stream dont watch it. As far as i know destiny is behaving in official events/ interviews so just leave him insult and rage on his stream, with his fans who like that kind of shit.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
May 01 2012 17:57 GMT
#1191
On May 02 2012 02:56 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:52 goswser wrote:
All the people writing to razer are the most hypocritical self-righteous people I've ever seen. I would wager a lot that the majority of these people don't own a single razer product, but they're sending emails saying things like "I've purchased every razer product ever and now will never purchase one ever again". To top it off these people are saying they will tell all their friends to not purchase any razer products. I would also wager not a single one of these people will tell any of their friends to not purchase razer products.

Pretty much everyone complaining is lying and hypocritical, and taking this opportunity to enjoy and abuse power they normally don't have.


Just like thousands did with orb. Or you don't want equal treatment? Or crucifying one guy is enough, we should let this slip?


Two wrongs don't make a right..
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
May 01 2012 17:57 GMT
#1192
I have emailed and twitted Quantic & Razer. I'm hoping TL takes action on this. We don't need jesters throwing around racial slurs.

And the amount of discourse justificatory posts are sickening in this thread. "You can say 'gook' without being racist." Well, good for you. However, people are still offended, and there will likely, or should be, consequences.
#1 Grubby Fan.
ThomasHobbes
Profile Joined October 2010
United States197 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:58:50
May 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#1193
On May 02 2012 02:54 SherlockTV wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:00 Destiny wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:54 SherlockTV wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:50 Destiny wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:47 intrigue wrote:
while i think it's more dumb than anything else to use racist terms, i'm disappointed that we've already taken off to immediately writing to sponsors again. what the hell are you people thinking? at the very least, get another response from quantic or wait a few days.

i'm also disappointed that destiny, for all his "people skills", hasn't learned any PR from the orb situation. people seem to think every situation is one where they as a unique, proud individual is being threatened, when even a cookiecutter apology can go a long way. if not to the community, then to warden. at least nobody will be writing your sponsors, you know.

why is this community so stupid sometimes?

Sorry, "PR"? You want to talk about respect? How about treating a community of people like humans, and not a mindless hive-blob of blithering idiots waiting for you to appease them with hollow, empty, meaningless phrases that everyone finds kosher?

You may not like what I have to say, but I will go down in flames screaming nigger/gook/spick/faggot/queer before I ever release a pointless cookie-cutter apology. I'm honestly disgusted and disappointed that you, as a human being, find meaning in these bullshit PR moves that other people make.

I'm tired of public figures that stand for nothing, and instead merely try to act as a mirror, reflecting back onto other people whatever it is they want to see.


I'm disgusted and disappointed in you as a human being that you have no empathy for the people that your racial and hateful slurs affect.

How do you not know that just because you think its okay doesn't mean everyone else does? This isn't even about religion or free speech. Its about using words that you know hurt people just because you think they shouldn't hurt people. News to you, just because you think people should act a certain way doesn't mean they do.


I'm going to stop responding to thoughtless post like this until you respond to my questions earlier.

Tell me which words a person should/shouldn't be allowed to say, and then tell me why some groups of people are protected while others aren't.


You must really think that people give a shit about you responding to my posts or that I personally give a shit. You are offensive and ignorant and you don't deserve getting paid to do what you do. That's really all there is to it.

I could care less if you stopped responding to my posts. Please do. In fact, please just stop posting in general. The less bullshit that you have to spew the better. Please take your stream offline and just stop streaming too.




I mean, I actually saw you just wish harm on someone's child, how does that give you any credibility with regards to your "outrage" at Destiny's behavior?
"The life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
Dreycor
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom4 Posts
May 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#1194
No you cannot punish him because it would be illegal to do so with a gun.

Destiny is knowingly firing verbal bullets and he's intelligent enough to know he's doing so, he just (rightfully) believes he has the right to say what he wants.

The people being shot at by these verbal bullets are merely firing back in the same manner.

I agreed with your initial post about his right to speech -- it's just that the right of speech flows both ways. His critics are rightfully allowed to say what they want about Destiny to whoever they want also. If it affects him negatively he really only has himself to blame.


"the people being shot at by these verbal bullets are merely firing back in the same manner."

i think it was ghandi who said, an "eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind."

but disregard that.

you and i are having rather a nice debate here among all the fields of shit and i for one am enjoying it.

Destiny is free to say what he believe, as are all those against him for whatever reason. However if these people actually get razor to force quantic to remove him from their team, or even razor might leave the "e-sports" scene altogether. then Destiny is being punished. and perhaps the whole community get's punished for someone expressing their freedom, and surely that is wrong.

That is the only argument i came to offer, and i firmly believe that you and i are both right in what we have said.

There's rather a HUGE difference in someone having hurt feelings and 10's of thousands of dollars being taken away from those who work hard to earn it. Including Destiny. In fact, one could argue (as incontrol, amongst others, are arguing) that this "movement" will actually do far more to harm others than help. Surely we can all agree on that.

clik
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 18:00:12
May 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#1195
On May 02 2012 02:55 Lyter wrote:
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On May 02 2012 02:54 clik wrote:


You make it sound like you supported him in the past, if this is what makes you mad at him, then I don't think you've ever seen his stream before and it makes no difference whether you 'stop supporting him'


Oh no I've watched his stream in past plenty. I've seen him rage at people and talk trash and I've heard about his slander but I've never seen it. My choice is to not support him or his team anymore.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#1196
On May 02 2012 02:54 Rorschach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:44 parkjimo wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:43 LingBlingMuta wrote:
People don't understand how bad it really is to take this shit directly to the sponsors. Sure that will hit them hard, but your potentially preventing esports from securing said sponsor again.

This shit right here is what is killing esports.


Esports will never even survive if it has cancerous personalities like Destiny in it.


people like orb/destiny/randomtroll will always exsist so by your logic we should cut to the chase and kill esports/sc2 sooner rather than later?


Well EG got rid of Orb.

There will always be rude individuals playing SC2, just like in soccer, basketball, etc. But when a major Starcraft II team actively endorses the content (in this case, Quantic and Destiny), it is extremely problematic. Which is why EG made the right move in getting rid of Orb, and Quantic needs to do the same.
NagAfightinG
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom270 Posts
May 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#1197
From Destinys Twitter
Steven Bonnell II ‏ @Steven_Bonnell

Alright, I did some thinking, I'm sorry about what I said. Here's a link to my official statement on the issue - http://tinyurl.com/apologytocommunity

[image loading]


Incase anyone cant get on twitter.
We live like animals thinking of the afterlive
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
May 01 2012 17:59 GMT
#1198
Quantic gets a lot of attention. (^_^)

What they are doing works.
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
May 01 2012 17:59 GMT
#1199
On May 01 2012 22:19 Matkap wrote:
i would grow a pair of balls

User was temp banned for this post.


i concurr

User was temp banned for this post.
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Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
May 01 2012 17:59 GMT
#1200
Wow destiny is being so immature

https://twitter.com/#!/Steven_Bonnell/status/197383488406695938
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