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Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
May 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#1121
I truely have no respect for this low life scumbag. He treats his viewers like shit. He is a racist and has no problem with it ( let alone being a geeky pale frail piece of scum ) Hell, he even made a twitter post yesterday making fun of austistic kids. True fucking scum imo.

User was temp banned for this post.
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#1122
On May 01 2012 22:32 Svetz wrote:
Report it to his team/sponsors. To be honest if I was in the same country I'd report him to the police as well. I hate this whole 'its online so people can be as racist as they like, get over it' attitude. Theres been a lot of convictions recently based on what people have said on twitter/facebook and I see no reason why the same won't apply to in game conversations.


Theres nothing like helping Esports to grow by going to their sponsers and saying, "Hey there guys! Did you know you picked up a team in Esports and 1 of their players use racial slurs? You best make sure they stop doing this."

You know what the sponser will do next? They'll rethink their place in Esports and ponder to themselves if it's really worth their reputation in picking Esports as something they want to sponser. If sponsers get bitched at too much because a few people say a few things then they will be gone once the contracts are up. They reasoning will be that it's too risky for their image to join or continue in this scene.

Anyways, I don't mind it when Destiny says these kind of things. To me, when someone says "nigger" or "gook", it's the same as someone saying "bitch" or "cunt". If you want to censor racial slurs, you might as well censor swear words as well. Also, you should censor what music they can listen to because the music can't have swear words in it either. Actually, you shouldn't play the music unless you have permission from the author.

Theres even a warning before you enter their stream that there may or may not be strong use of language in this stream. I'm not 100% sure if destiny has this warning on his Owned.tv stream site but his twitch on had it as well as other streamers have it on theirs. So you are being warned that there will be swearing and the likes on this stream. It's not like you're just aimlessly wandering into it.
Root4Root
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
May 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#1123
I wonder why this is even making such a big debate, we knew what destiny was about when he became a popular streamer. I feel like the the guy who started this thread saw what happened to orb, and now is trying to pull this on destiny. But honestly its our fault as a community for giving him 5k viewers to watch him rage at people, and say things that we all have said online at one point or another. Have you ever been on xbox live playing halo? My point is, by watching his stream after all of this time, we have said its okay for you to say these things and do that, we have accepted him as this kind of figure. If you really want to send the guy a message, don't watch his stream, flood quantic with emails.
Mugennn
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia11 Posts
May 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#1124
On May 02 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I wish our community didn't have so much power. I feel like we're the ones that are going to be the death of esports.


I couldnt agree more, It's scary to think that a vocal minority could be so destructive.
"bite off more then you can chew, then chew it "
noidontthinkso
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece94 Posts
May 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#1125
On May 02 2012 02:46 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:46 noidontthinkso wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:44 Hardigan wrote:
Pls dear Star Craft 2 community, tell me, what is better:

1. Tell Destiny and Quantic, that he makes racial slurs, which probably you don't even care about or get offended, with a chance, that nothing would really change

or 2. Tell Razor, who will reconsider investing in Sc2, when they get contacted from the community every second Tuesday and by that also punish other teams -> tournaments -> punishing everything in esport?



2.

so teams think about before they add a immature player to their squad


whats it to you? serious question.



2.

why would razor stop sponsoring tournaments/teams without immature players because of it?

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SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
May 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#1126
On May 02 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I wish our community didn't have so much power. I feel like we're the ones that are going to be the death of esports.

"With great power comes great stupidity"
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
May 01 2012 17:49 GMT
#1127
Contacting sponsors is a way for unimportant people to finally feel important, for people with no power to grasp the power for a few moments. It's tempting. The sad thing is that all those people found out during the orb-thing. It's so sad. You will never be important and certainly not be important in any positive way. You don't love esports, you don't support esports. You don't give a shit about esports and you are certainly not helping this in any way.

It's selfish bullshit hidden behind fake reasons.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:49:55
May 01 2012 17:49 GMT
#1128
On May 02 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I wish our community didn't have so much power. I feel like we're the ones that are going to be the death of esports.


That post makes me really sad.
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pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
May 01 2012 17:49 GMT
#1129
What sponsors could start to think : "Holy shit, this community is awful. They flip out at the most minor things. What if we did something that was subjectively wrong? They'll flip out on us. No thanks."
EG-TL!
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 01 2012 17:49 GMT
#1130
On May 02 2012 02:45 AnalThermometer wrote:
For a start, those emailing the sponsors should take no blame. The logic that they're causing E-sports harm by informing the sponsors about the actions of someone under their banner is ass-backwards.

One day someone with influence may decide to take it beyond the scope of these forums, and then it's done for. A journalist with an influential blog on a site like Forbes might decide to one day make an entry about one of these situations which keep cropping up, because these threads certainly are popular. Would we go and post in the comments asking him to take it down because it might hurt the scene, perhaps? No, that would be retarded. Keeping it quiet and sweeping it under the rug to "protect E-sports" is not an option. Prevention is the only sensible option.

This is a warning to not take an insular view on this type of situation - I've seen posts in places not connected to SC2 who will email sponsors at the drop of a hat and have done in the past. The argument that it's just the internets will not wash with the general public, they'll see what's going on here and kill your credibility before giving you the time of day. You'll be tarred with the same brush which was used on the fighting game community recently.

You should be pointing your fingers at Destiny and other high profile players for constantly giving them reasons to do it. Destiny doesn't say it, people have no reason to send mail. You should also point fingers at the teams choosing these types of players on purpose - I would be far more suprised to see a member of Team Liquid taking part in these sort of antics that I would members of other teams because I know TL use their discretion.


This has to be one of the best posts. People complain and want SC2 to gain legitimacy, even cheering on MLG and CBSi partnership, but do you think it will ever last if this is what happens?
ThomasHobbes
Profile Joined October 2010
United States197 Posts
May 01 2012 17:49 GMT
#1131
On May 02 2012 02:43 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:42 Gunter wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:40 Pulimuli wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:36 latan wrote:
How dare Destiny do something with his free will and free speech that doesn't harm anyone and might offend someone that's not even me?


you have no idea what freedom of speech means do you?

It does not mean you can go around calling people faggots and niggers left and right

yes it does


No it doesn't. You're not allowed to use speech to marginalize others. Freedom of Speech is to protect well formed arguments and ideas, it has no obligation to give a platform to nonsensical hatred and bigotry.


I thought you were going to make a sensible point, then I was disappointed.

Freedom of Speech actually does protect hate speech, it just doesn't protect individuals from facing social repercussion for what they say. If nobody wants to employ someone who uses racial slurs, that man just won't be employed.
"The life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1132
does anyone have a list of quantics sponsors? I would be willing to go through my time and make a list of emails
Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1133
On May 02 2012 02:47 TheChostoProject wrote:
This is totally outrageous, If we want our community to grow we need to start thinking before talking/posting. We need to take special care on the selection of words we use when we want to insult/offend someone. I mean, we want them to feel bad but not too bad.

Here's a list of words we all should eliminate because some people's feelings might get hurt beyond our original intention of hurting them.

faggot - offensive to the gay community
nigger - offensive to the black community
gook - offensive to asians(?)
spic - offensive to hispanics
retarded - offensive to mentally challenged
rape - offensive to rape victims
snipe - offensive to war veterans
nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors
grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors
murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family
cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer


Also, don't do drugs and eat vegetables, ok?

Always that joke argument.. Do you want to hear soccer players calling each other faggots in all of the post-match interviews? I don't think so.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1134
On May 02 2012 02:47 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:44 Hardigan wrote:
Pls dear Star Craft 2 community, tell me, what is better:

1. Tell Destiny and Quantic, that he makes racial slurs, which probably you don't even care about or get offended, with a chance, that nothing would really change

or 2. Tell Razor, who will reconsider investing in Sc2, when they get contacted from the community every second Tuesday and by that also punish other teams -> tournaments -> punishing everything in esport?


2. Or maybe the contact the involved team and then they feel they should do something about the incident. No reason why this should affect other teams/tournaments.


There is also no reason that it shouldn't. They could paint the community with a very wide brush or limit their support.

We have a rule in the legal community "Never assume". People should not assume that contacting Razor will only affect Destiny and Quantic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1135
On May 02 2012 02:49 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I wish our community didn't have so much power. I feel like we're the ones that are going to be the death of esports.


This is the saddest post in this entire thread.


Its sad because its true. I probably said this a hundred times, but holy shit its like people complain just because they can.
EG-TL!
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1136
On May 02 2012 02:45 Destiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:35 Rocor wrote:
On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:
Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck!

TO DESTINY
I have a question for you regarding your most recent racial slur... I asked you the same question during your rants about the n-word and you never answered.

when you said it (g**k), what did it mean to you ?

Why did you use that word in apparent anger?

Was there no other way to express your emotions at the time ?

Was the word used to entertain your viewers or to insult your opponent ?
- if yes, why would you think that word would be entertaining to your viewers, or insulting to your opponent ??

try to answer these questions without sounding like a bigot..

Eh, was the word that came to my mind at the time. Good enough reason for me to use it.

That's a pretty pathetic excuse.

Do you think of all Asiatic people like that in your head, or did you just pick it because it was offensive? Either way that's no justification for using language like that.
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speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1137
I agree with destiny's comments/arguments in this thread.

It's his stream and he should do what he wants on it. If he's taking it "too far" or something, his team will let him know.
Swearing doesn't mean shit to me and is more often funny than anything.

Note, before accusing me, that I'm not one of his fanboys and I haven't watched his stream in like a year.

Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 17:51:38
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1138
So Destiny is known to support homosexual marriage. He calls people faggots on his stream.
What do you think is of higher value and says more about his actual stance on homosexuality?

Destiny also charity-streams for Doctors Without Borders (if you don't understand why I'm bringing this up, look up DWB). He calls somebody a nigger on his stream. Same question as above.
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sparC
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany162 Posts
May 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#1139
On May 02 2012 02:36 pirsq wrote:
How to email Razer:

1. Go to http://www.razersupport.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit

2. Click "Public Relations - USA"

3. Type in a message like the following:
Show nested quote +
Dear Razer,

I have purchased many Razer products over the last several years, and am glad that some of my money has been spent on the Starcraft 2 community. However, I am disgusted by the behaviour of one of the teams you sponsor, Quantic Gaming.

Steven "Destiny" Bonnell, a member of Quantic Gaming, is a popular entertainer known for his angry outbursts. He frequently hurls racist abuse on his stream, an example of which can be found at http://i.imgur.com/iaSWu.jpg

This behaviour is unacceptable. Bonnell was dropped from his previous team, Complexity Gaming, for this behaviour, and Quantic Gaming signed him up with full knowledge of this.

I will not purchase any more products from Razer, and will encourage my friends to not purchase any products from Razer, until Razer ceases sponsorship of Steven Bonnell, either through his dropping by Quantic Gaming, or a cessation of sponsorship for Quantic Gaming as a whole.

(Sign here)


4. Fill in your name and email, and click submit



wow really? xD
blackmail? that's your response?

haha, now THAT is pathetic, or better yet, where can i file you for slander?
that's what the next person with your attitude should do.

person A did X but I don't care..
person B did X and I put effort into hurting him.

*clap*

btw, why again is it "unacceptable" ?
ohhh because some people think it's offensive. one day, it will be "unacceptable" to call someone "cool".
it's rather funny actually, because it makes no sense.
anyone who feels offended by those kind of words has every right to feel this way,
but at the same time, they should reflect and be ashamed.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 01 2012 17:51 GMT
#1140
Anyone contacting the sensors or suggesting that people do it in this thread should be ashamed of themselves. It's not fair to Quantic. It's been said many times that sponsors are fickle in our community, and you're doing more harm than good despite how outraged you might be at Destiny. It's also completely blowing the situation out of proportion to contact the sponsors. There are much more reasonable ways to communicate your opinion to Quantic, and you haven't even given them sufficient time to respond. If you consider yourself a fan of this community, you shouldn't do it. Otherwise, I hope you realize that the community would be much better off without you.
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