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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2711 Posts
April 30 2012 11:48 GMT
#661
On April 30 2012 16:05 Toastie wrote:
Multitaskers should play Terran - Protoss units in small groups are inferior to any opposition.


Yes, sadly Protoss are that way in Starcraft2.

What a bad design from Blizzard, destroying all the awesome multitask from BW protoss.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 11:50:54
April 30 2012 11:50 GMT
#662
sorry, double post.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
April 30 2012 12:07 GMT
#663
On April 30 2012 15:18 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
Myrddraal
Since it is easier to play mechanically, players will not always win just because they have superior mechanics, so it comes down to strategy and understanding the game, and it's my opinion that 2 years of practicing SC2 gives the current pros a strategic edge while BW pros will have an edge in mechanics (after having played enough SC2 to correctly apply their mechanical skill) until months down the track when both will approximately even out.


Like having superior mechanics will always ensure a win for you huh ? Seriously I have played TvP against protoss player who have more higher apm than me and macro and yet they still lose to me although I have only 8 factories in the late game while he has 30 gates producing goons and zealot from gateway all the time . I think this is some sort of a ignorant opinion most sc2 fans have they think that bw is all about having superior mechanics and not using strategy to win the game

I don't think you interpret his post correctly. you are of course right when you would take his post literally
People that wére (not saying all) relying on mechanics, will not be able to be as dominant in sc2 as they were in bw.
That's how i read his post. and i can (at least partly) agree with that. Making a game more reliant on strategy compared to mechanics gives a shift in the needed skillset.
the other way round would be exactly the same.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 12:18:13
April 30 2012 12:16 GMT
#664
On April 30 2012 21:07 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 15:18 Sawamura wrote:
Myrddraal
Since it is easier to play mechanically, players will not always win just because they have superior mechanics, so it comes down to strategy and understanding the game, and it's my opinion that 2 years of practicing SC2 gives the current pros a strategic edge while BW pros will have an edge in mechanics (after having played enough SC2 to correctly apply their mechanical skill) until months down the track when both will approximately even out.


Like having superior mechanics will always ensure a win for you huh ? Seriously I have played TvP against protoss player who have more higher apm than me and macro and yet they still lose to me although I have only 8 factories in the late game while he has 30 gates producing goons and zealot from gateway all the time . I think this is some sort of a ignorant opinion most sc2 fans have they think that bw is all about having superior mechanics and not using strategy to win the game

I don't think you interpret his post correctly. you are of course right when you would take his post literally
People that wére (not saying all) relying on mechanics, will not be able to be as dominant in sc2 as they were in bw.
That's how i read his post. and i can (at least partly) agree with that. Making a game more reliant on strategy compared to mechanics gives a shift in the needed skillset.
the other way round would be exactly the same.


Look my example I gave was my mechanics wasn't really good and my strategy provided me an advantage over my superior mechanic opponent although my macro was only at best being able to produce the units when I want to . Than again he clearly stated that we bw oldies are merely superior because we have superior mechanics and that's not true . Strategy does play apart in to the mechanics that is implemented in broodwar .

Also if you want to make a game more reliant on strategy total annihilation and supreme commander series is a better game than sc2 in that department . With mechanics out of the question and resources are actually mine automatically without any user control you can focus on strategy all the time ...

How can we read the future and say that oh just because he relies merely on mechanics he must be a no brainer and won't perform well in a STRATEGIC game like sc2 .
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TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
May 01 2012 15:13 GMT
#665
This isn't all that surprising. I think the general consensus is that Terran in SC2 plays more like classic starcraft than the other races. It's much more like BW than the other options .
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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
May 01 2012 15:29 GMT
#666
On April 30 2012 20:48 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 16:05 Toastie wrote:
Multitaskers should play Terran - Protoss units in small groups are inferior to any opposition.


Yes, sadly Protoss are that way in Starcraft2.

What a bad design from Blizzard, destroying all the awesome multitask from BW protoss.

Tell that to liquidHero in PvZ
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
May 01 2012 15:47 GMT
#667
On April 30 2012 20:48 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 16:05 Toastie wrote:
Multitaskers should play Terran - Protoss units in small groups are inferior to any opposition.


Yes, sadly Protoss are that way in Starcraft2.

What a bad design from Blizzard, destroying all the awesome multitask from BW protoss.


ever watched HerO play?
its just that nodody even tries to play like bw toss
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 01:59:34
May 02 2012 01:41 GMT
#668
I didn't want to bump the more appropriate BW coaches on SC2 thread, but here's the live report on the big meeting KeSPA/Gom/Blizzard/OGN is having, which is likely important to BW

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333959

I'll edit in relevant info instead of bumping the thread a bunch, though I'm sure a big post on the BW forum will happen, too.

Edit: KeSPA to run SC2 league. Confirmed. There will be a proleague with SC2 (no word on BW as yet), and an individual SC2 league on OGN
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 02:02:35
May 02 2012 01:57 GMT
#669
TeamLiquidLIVE All four parties are united in believing that Starcraft II is the future of eSports. More nails in that BW coffin.

TeamLiquidLIVE Okay, next season of PL will have SC2 (duh). No official word on mixed with BW, or just SC2 tho

"Details about the schedule, participation requirements, etc for the next PL season will be released later"


Well, I'm officially pissed...even though I knew it was probably going to be this anyways.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 02 2012 02:16 GMT
#670
Okay sc2 transition is coming really soon since kespa recognized sc2 as an official game in kespa list of e-sport games .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 02 2012 02:21 GMT
#671
A: We don't know if this is the last BW OSL or not, it all depends on a lot of conditions.


I think this is evidence for my theory that they're hoping to fund BW with SC2?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 02 2012 02:27 GMT
#672
Guess not

Hybrid SC2/BW Proleague confirmed. Will not use alternating sets.

PKeSPA: We'll probably switch fully to SC II by the next season after that

KeSPA: We will look into how to integrate the Gom/GSTL teams for the all SC2, Oct season of PL.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
May 02 2012 02:29 GMT
#673
T_T

each new tweet is a new stab
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 02 2012 02:29 GMT
#674
Well, there's still maybe another OSL after this one?
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 02 2012 02:34 GMT
#675
Man this sucks. T_T
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
May 02 2012 02:41 GMT
#676
On April 30 2012 20:48 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 16:05 Toastie wrote:
Multitaskers should play Terran - Protoss units in small groups are inferior to any opposition.


Yes, sadly Protoss are that way in Starcraft2.

What a bad design from Blizzard, destroying all the awesome multitask from BW protoss.


Yeah it's aggravating. There's no analgous shuttle reaver or sair dt micro that a Stork or Bisu can pull off to overcome all and win. Bisu as a terran and hell especially Flash is going to show how incomplete SC2 is.
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RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
May 02 2012 02:47 GMT
#677
With the current state of the meta, it's a perfect time for Bisu to come in as Protoss. I hope he doesn't switch.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 02 2012 03:27 GMT
#678
On May 02 2012 11:41 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 20:48 haitike wrote:
On April 30 2012 16:05 Toastie wrote:
Multitaskers should play Terran - Protoss units in small groups are inferior to any opposition.


Yes, sadly Protoss are that way in Starcraft2.

What a bad design from Blizzard, destroying all the awesome multitask from BW protoss.


Yeah it's aggravating. There's no analgous shuttle reaver or sair dt micro that a Stork or Bisu can pull off to overcome all and win. Bisu as a terran and hell especially Flash is going to show how incomplete SC2 is.


That's what zergs do man.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 03:39:28
May 02 2012 03:32 GMT
#679
On May 02 2012 12:27 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:41 Sabu113 wrote:
On April 30 2012 20:48 haitike wrote:
On April 30 2012 16:05 Toastie wrote:
Multitaskers should play Terran - Protoss units in small groups are inferior to any opposition.


Yes, sadly Protoss are that way in Starcraft2.

What a bad design from Blizzard, destroying all the awesome multitask from BW protoss.


Yeah it's aggravating. There's no analgous shuttle reaver or sair dt micro that a Stork or Bisu can pull off to overcome all and win. Bisu as a terran and hell especially Flash is going to show how incomplete SC2 is.


That's what zergs do man.


The protoss and zerg titles need to change. With all the freaking zergs in the Starleagues it should be the protoss overcoming all and the zergs with their victory after victory.

On May 02 2012 12:36 below66 wrote:
Long live sc2!!!!! so happy, hopefully blizzard comes up with some magic for the HoTS release, that's when stuff will really start kicking off.


wtf?
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below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
May 02 2012 03:36 GMT
#680
Long live sc2!!!!! so happy, hopefully blizzard comes up with some magic for the HoTS release, that's when stuff will really start kicking off.
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