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On April 11 2012 12:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
I really dont think this is a good idea.
I by no means think im a great player, but i am highish masters on NA, im normally rank 1/2 of my div when im active and face GM's a lot. I have played against a lot of well known players, and sometimes i do well but most of the time its a waste of their time. looking at the GM list from last season, i have played almost every other player. My point is, most of those games are a waste of time, i get rolled and learn a lot, but the pro player training for mlg/gsl/any other event isnt getting good training, and now they can match against people who are worse than me? I agree with idra's tweet, the matchmaking isnt the greatest already, now its even worse.
Well, I understand what you mean by training, but I don't think that the ladder should be used for those purposes unless the skill level in an area is EXTREMELY high (cough cough Korea). Even then, I think it still would be ideal to have practice partners that you know are good.
With that said, I do think that the ladder system is a bit broken now. I placed in plat, then lost to 3 plat terrans. I then played and beat a diamond zerg and now I have played diamond after diamond player. I just don't understand.
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On April 11 2012 10:15 ktimekiller wrote:
It is certainly annoying how I am matched against players low enough that I win roughly 20-30 points per win at the start of the season where I would normally get 40~ per win against equal opponents in a new season.
that's probably cause you have bonus pool 
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I believe they made matchmaking a tad too loose. I played a game vs a mid master (his s6 rank was 44) and I'm a fresh diamond player. I just couldn't keep up with his Speed Colossus harass. Was the most 1sided game I've played in a LONG time. If they are going to keep this loose matchmaking they really need to fix the point win/loss.
drop.sc/157772 if you so care.
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i didnt read the rest of the comments in this thread, but here's my 2c
ive been in top8 masters team games every season. just played 7-8 games -- about half got matched with diamond partner, the other half with matched up with gold/platinum. people we played against were mostly diamond as well. i dont know what blizzard did but this is mind numbingly annoying.
im also not the "if this doenst change im quiting !!@121!" type, but considering all my friends already stoped playing and ive only done RTs last season, if this goes on theres really no point to continue.
ps: its hilarious to listen to all the scrubs that suddenly think theyre good because theyre regularly teamed up with masters players though.
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They want to experiment about this kind of system this season. If it doesn't work they will use the old one. Calm down.
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On April 11 2012 14:04 Wildmoon wrote:
They want to experiment about this kind of system this season. If it doesn't work they will use the old one. Calm down.
Good post. Blizzard is still experimenting new things. Patience guys!
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didnt do placement last season, have 1 placement to do this season: find match -> immediately leave -> still master :-/
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Every game has been a slaughter for one side or the other... 4 diamond vs 4 silver etc... seriously? I dont enjoy pounding them
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On April 11 2012 09:52 EnderSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:45 JAFF3R wrote:
I must say though, the placement system hasn't worked for me at all.
Playing on NA in S6 I was high silver, and in my placement for S7 I played against a platinum and won, yet still got placed into Silver.
Then on SEA I was in bronze in S6 (didn't play too much so just average rank, but almost all wins) and played against a Gold in S7 ranking, placed into bronze.
Seems as though you play someone two leagues above what you are before.
You literally play a random person in the exact same way as literally every single ladder match. There is no difference whatsoever between any ladder match and your placement game. The placement could not be less meaningful
The 2nd part is not true -- the placement game helps weed out inactive players from season to season. I imagine that's pretty important to maintaining the leagues as %'s of active players.
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On April 11 2012 14:17 NB wrote:
didnt do placement last season, have 1 placement to do this season: find match -> immediately leave -> still master :-/
I thought if you skip placement for one full season your MMR resets and you have to do your 5 all over again the next season you play again....
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On April 11 2012 14:09 DjRetro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 14:04 Wildmoon wrote:
They want to experiment about this kind of system this season. If it doesn't work they will use the old one. Calm down. Good post. Blizzard is still experimenting new things. Patience guys!
Change it now, we tried it and it's shit
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On April 11 2012 10:28 EnderSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 10:19 stormfoxSC wrote:On April 11 2012 09:25 EnderSword wrote:
3) "It's matching me only against better people!!" This might actually be true, but again isn't actually the new match maker, it's also always been true...depending where you rank. Unless you were close to promotion last season, you'll likely face tough opponents at the beginning of this season. There's a lot of stats reasons for this, but to put it simply, the Ladder just reset everyone to even...now it's allowing the good people to go ahead again. So it's now letting you play against the #1 guy in your diviion who never quite got promoted, and that guy who just barely fell out of Masters. If it didn't do this, then the guy who was #1 would probably end up ranked 40th or 50th this season because he came in at 0 points and was already playing evenly matched much harder players....so it lets him play you for a bit. Just grin and take it for a few days.
So, New Match-making MAY be good or bad, but you're not going to be able to disntinguish that until about 2 weeks from today because today you don't really know how good anyone is.
... Why would you write something that's completely wrong, without any sort of evidence to verify (which, had you tried to do so, would have let you know you were wrong)? o_O I didn't really set out to explain the system itself in entirety, people have done that in much longer posts with graphs and tons of math better than needs to be done here for the tweak to the matchmaker. But just think about it from the reason of why it must work that way. If it didn't do something within leagues to allow higher MMR to get more points, then starting in Season 2, points wouldn't have had literally any relation to the person's rank. It's a fairly rough relation now, but there would be quite literally no correlation if this function wasn't in it. Again, it did not set eeryone to even MMR...it set everyone even points and ranks. Your MMR is completely unaffected by seasons changing.
sdfskdlfsdf you hurt my brain man. Others have already pointed out how you are completely incorrect. For other people reading though, to save them the trouble of having to go through the thread, it basically goes like this:
In other words, your adjusted points are compared to your opponent's MMR to determine favourability and how much the game is worth in points. At the beginning of the season, your adjusted points are always going to be well below your opponent's MMR (since your points were reset to 0). Consequently, you'll gain more points than you lose in your initial games until your points more closely reflect your MMR (and subsequently the matchmaker finally starts considering your games as being "evenly matched"). The matchmaking system doesn't arbitrarily pit you against weaker opponents at the start of the season; if it did, I'd have gotten way more wins in Season 5, after reaching Diamond rank 6 in Season 4. :\
Please stop spouting nonsense and actually learn about the topic you're trying to teach others about.
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Thank you for making this clear for everyone, since a lot of people are just spewing or regurgitating what they hear or imagine, without testing to see what it really looks like.
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On April 11 2012 13:46 iTzSnypah wrote:I believe they made matchmaking a tad too loose. I played a game vs a mid master (his s6 rank was 44) and I'm a fresh diamond player. I just couldn't keep up with his Speed Colossus harass. Was the most 1sided game I've played in a LONG time. If they are going to keep this loose matchmaking they really need to fix the point win/loss. drop.sc/157772 if you so care.
Watched it... I think the storms in that first battle did more damage than the colossus. Aside from his templar he only had like 1 colo and 12 gateway units or so vs ur huge bio army but storm tore u to shreds
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On April 11 2012 14:26 CygNus X-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 14:17 NB wrote:
didnt do placement last season, have 1 placement to do this season: find match -> immediately leave -> still master :-/ I thought if you skip placement for one full season your MMR resets and you have to do your 5 all over again the next season you play again....
I think you need to avoid team ladder games as well. I hadn't 1v1'd since season 4, but I played one game tonight and it put me right back in master league.
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On April 11 2012 09:42 awu25 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:37 EnderSword wrote:
I dont think any changes were made to anything like that I didn't place in 1v1 last season and now I'm staring at my main screen and it's telling me to play one match to placed into a division
THen u played team random. Ur 1v1 rating influences ur random team rating.
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I'm not so sure about this matchmaking change. My season placement match (I'm high diamond) was against a low Platinum. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. I was placed back in high diamond but I don't see how I could learn anything from the game I played. The guy literally had half the stuff I had and was down 10 workers early on and was down 20 supply 10 minutes in (the game only lasted 13). I mean easier games are fine once in a while but that easy isn't fun for me or the other guy. I'm not looking forward to being the worse player in that situation either.
My offracing account got demoted to Platinum after facing a Diamond, but platinum is where it should be because I haven't offraced in a couple months.
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On April 11 2012 15:15 Comadevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:42 awu25 wrote:On April 11 2012 09:37 EnderSword wrote:
I dont think any changes were made to anything like that I didn't place in 1v1 last season and now I'm staring at my main screen and it's telling me to play one match to placed into a division THen u played team random. Ur 1v1 rating influences ur random team rating.
No thats wrong. While 1v1 does influence team games, the reason you have to play 1 game is because its a new season in 1v1, so if you have completed your 5 placement matches before you play one placement match at the start of the new season. This is a way to keep track of who is active on the ladder each season.
*Just wanted to whine about how easy my games have been this season. ^^
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On April 11 2012 15:19 Ben... wrote:
I'm not so sure about this matchmaking change. My season placement match (I'm high diamond) was against a low Platinum. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. I was placed back in high diamond but I don't see how I could learn anything from the game I played. The guy literally had half the stuff I had and was down 10 workers early on and was down 20 supply 10 minutes in (the game only lasted 13). I mean easier games are fine once in a while but that easy isn't fun for me or the other guy. I'm not looking forward to being the worse player in that situation either.
My offracing account got demoted to Platinum after facing a Diamond, but platinum is where it should be because I haven't offraced in a couple months.
I dunno, I like the concept. Actually tend to play custom 1v1 games more than I ladder simply because I enjoy sometimes getting placed against better/worse players than myself; it creates some variety, and I don't always have to worry about playing a stressfully close game.
Also, getting crushed opens the opportunity to learn; replay analysis is your friend. Playing only similar opponents makes it difficult to see/learn how and why better players are actually better than you. I have to say some of my biggest breakthroughs have come from watching myself getting rolled by Masters players in custom 1v1 games, and there's a sense of accomplishment when I either play a solid game against a Masters or even defeat one from time to time.
At the very least, I don't mind Blizzard giving it a whirl for one season to see how it pans out. I'd even bet most people won't even realize/think about it come end of season.
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I just know that as gold, i went from playing high gold/low plat last season to playing high plat/low diamond this season. Basically I'm just getting thrashed to the point I really don't feel like playing anymore.
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