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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
April 06 2012 14:50 GMT
#161
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

look at results.

results speak for themselves.

stop cherry picking 1 or 2 series where some foreigners like Stephano win vs Koreans. Look at overall results. the gap is huge and it's getting bigger.

With more patches and expansions it'll get worse.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
April 06 2012 14:53 GMT
#162
Not even close....the number of foreigners that can compete with koreans you can count with your hands. People here don`t even need to bring up stats to prove it because it is not close at all.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12711 Posts
April 06 2012 14:55 GMT
#163
On April 06 2012 20:03 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 19:53 ETisME wrote:
On April 06 2012 19:47 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 06 2012 19:46 ETisME wrote:
On April 06 2012 19:38 karn1 wrote:
In my opinion there are just three foreigners who might survive in Code S: Naniwa, Huk and Stephano. And I think these three are head and shoulders above the rest of the foreigners. Ret and Thorzain might be Code A material, but otherwise the Koreans dominate everything.

Naniwa? Not too sure about that :S


nor Huk or Stephano.

HuK has stayed in code s for a while, he could had been in code s this session since he was placed highest in the up&down, but he got knocked down unfortunately

stephano could make to code S too, he has the potential definitely.

No offense to Huk but with the old system you only had to win 1 match in your group to stay in code S.
and how many times have we heard that x player has the potential to make it to code S only to not even qualify fairly for code A and if he gets a seed to get stomped.

but he didn't just stay in code S, he went quite far into code S
And everyone did say he doesn't deserve to be in code S but somehow he managed to be placed in the highest in up&down. I really think people are being way too harsh on him
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
April 06 2012 14:59 GMT
#164
On April 06 2012 23:50 jj33 wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

look at results.

results speak for themselves.

stop cherry picking 1 or 2 series where some foreigners like Stephano win vs Koreans. Look at overall results. the gap is huge and it's getting bigger.

With more patches and expansions it'll get worse.


This also only takes into account the winner and runner-up as well. If there was a running count of the number of series won by korean pros and loses vs foreigners, it would show even more dominance.

Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
April 06 2012 15:04 GMT
#165
There's a handful of Koreans at the very top that nobody can compete with on a regular basis, but in general, the top foreigners can compete with the top Koreans now.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 15:11:42
April 06 2012 15:11 GMT
#166
No, most foreigners still lose to Koreans on mechanics alone.
Only for the top 5-10 foreigners does strategy and build even come into effect in the game.
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
April 06 2012 15:12 GMT
#167
Not even close except for the very best foreigners like Huk, Naniwa, Stephano and maybe a few others.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 15:18:12
April 06 2012 15:17 GMT
#168
On April 07 2012 00:04 Mr Showtime wrote:
There's a handful of Koreans at the very top that nobody can compete with on a regular basis, but in general, the top foreigners can compete with the top Koreans now.



top foreigners can't even make code A. so your statement is not true.

Stephano and huk / naniwa can take series off top Koreans, but others have shown jack nothing.

so if you mean by top foreigners by those three I mentioned sure.

but koreans have like 12312321 players and up and comers you've never heard of.
Fishes
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom47 Posts
April 06 2012 15:38 GMT
#169
They can beat Koreans sometimes yes, but in terms of play consistency and dedication to practice, no.
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Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
April 06 2012 15:40 GMT
#170
I would post one of the unmpressed Flash memes... to answer the OP . NO.
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
April 06 2012 15:44 GMT
#171
Are there Foreigners who can compete with the best Koreans? Yes, some select few.
Does that mean the skill gap has closed? Not really- while you might argue that the fact that there are foreigners who are able to compete at the highest level proves said closing of the skill gap, I'd like to point out that for every foreigner that can take games from the best Koreans there are dozens if not hundreds of "A class" (if you will) Koreans that are able to take games from the best foreigners.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Muskox
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada87 Posts
April 06 2012 15:45 GMT
#172
There are definitely more foreigners who can beat Koreans now than there were at the beginning of 2011, but still only a few who can beat tip-top Koreans (HuK, Stephano, NaNi, ThorZaIN/Kas occasionally...).
I accidentally the whole Overseers.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
April 06 2012 15:45 GMT
#173
If 2012 is any indication the skill is widening. And still foreigners don't even have to compete with the top talent still playing BW.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
April 06 2012 15:45 GMT
#174
I dont think foreigners will ever equal the work etiquette that koreans follow. Hopefully one will rise !
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 15:52:36
April 06 2012 15:47 GMT
#175
Sigh, the Koreans are best at this game, they were the best at BW and they will continue through SC2, stop making damn threads all the time about this! They take it more serious then western countries and they love it more. There are plenty of sports such as football that Koreans have a love for but they are far behind Europe talent wise. This game is Korean dominated, its not a bad thing, they are the best - deal with it and just enjoy things the way they are.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
April 06 2012 15:49 GMT
#176
Most certainly not. IPL 4 will only serve to hammer this nail in.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6106 Posts
April 06 2012 15:52 GMT
#177
No, the gap actually seems to be even bigger now.
#1 Terran hater
Xirroh
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada146 Posts
April 06 2012 15:52 GMT
#178
Foreigners,

maybe 5 could make it out of R32 in Code S

there are a few more who would be code A

A lot could compete in Code B. (offline)


Overall, Koreans will be winning NA championships for a long time.
Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
April 06 2012 15:53 GMT
#179
On April 06 2012 16:48 Caephus wrote:
…and when they’re all knocked out, go MKP.

made my day xD
Co-Manager of Soviet Gaming * http://twitter.com/#!/sGMarioo * http://www.facebook.com/SovietGamingfanpage * https://twitter.com/#!/SovietGaming
anApple
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore275 Posts
April 06 2012 15:54 GMT
#180
I don't think there are that many foreigners who have consistently beat high level Koreans. There are some though but until they start hitting Code S and what not I wouldn't say that they've caught up just yet.
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