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ShakkaFL
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway647 Posts
April 06 2012 14:04 GMT
#141
this thread again? answer is still no, as long as koreans train as much as they do, im pretty sure there's no way foreigners will catch up.
Terran 24/7
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
April 06 2012 14:04 GMT
#142
I would say, generally speaking, foreigners have not caught up to Koreans. They may have closed the gap a little, but Koreans are still clearly (to me at least) better at the game. Yeah, you do have the occasional foreigner like Stephano or arguably NaNiwa who can hang in there, and then there's HuK, who doesn't really count because he has lived and trained in Korea for so long. But outside of that, you get these isolated incidents of players like DeMusliM beating NesTea, etc. That's an achievement that certainly shouldn't be overlooked, certainly, but I have yet to see a significant number of foreigners who can consistently compete on the level of top Koreans.
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yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
April 06 2012 14:07 GMT
#143
foreigners will never be able to play against koreans and never have been able to.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
April 06 2012 14:09 GMT
#144
the gap is narrow enough to jump over, most matches are entertaining, ofc steamrolls do happen but if the very best players of the GSL dominate, well, they also dominate the other koreans... treat every gamer as an individual please!
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
April 06 2012 14:11 GMT
#145
I think the top 15 foreigners can hang with the top 30 koreans but after that- koreans dominate.
Overall I honestly do not care, all my favorite players are koreans now because I mainly just watch the GSL and the average level of play there is just miles above the average foreign tournament simply because the players not only are faster (can multitask wayyy better), but the koreans in GSL also have better decision making, macro, and know how to make good engagements.
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Funguuuuu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States198 Posts
April 06 2012 14:13 GMT
#146
Not yet.
The night is dark and full of Terrans
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
April 06 2012 14:14 GMT
#147
I honestly think the gap is widening again.
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onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria925 Posts
April 06 2012 14:15 GMT
#148
I disagree. There are some outliers such as stephano.. But the only others like HuK and Naniwa all practice in Korea, with Koreans and like Koreans.
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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
April 06 2012 14:16 GMT
#149
I expect some can show potential to compete with the top but their skill isnt even because they cant consistently do it. Huk and stephano are probably the most consistent but even then there are people they cant compete with all the time. I also think the way people are playing sc2 is also making it capable of people of less skill to compete with those of higher
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 06 2012 14:19 GMT
#150
No. I'd say the average korean pro is at least twice as skilled as the average foreigner pro, and while the top foreigner pros can compete with top koreans, there's no foreigner right now who I'd obejctively believe has any chance at winning a GSL.
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
April 06 2012 14:19 GMT
#151
No, not at all, not even close.
You play to win
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
April 06 2012 14:21 GMT
#152
At this point I think there are only 3 foreigners who can compete with the Koreans and those are Stephano, HuK, and Naniwa. But thats pretty much how it has always been, only the top foreigners can compete with the Koreans and everyone else just falls and dies.
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Heraklitus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States553 Posts
April 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#153
On April 06 2012 23:07 yomi wrote:
foreigners will never be able to play against koreans and never have been able to.


Wow, what a profoundly well thought out argument.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#154
Koreans are so far ahead still, and will get even further ahead now when BW stars are practicing SC2.
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:29:32
April 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#155
Not even close. Korean has young and upcoming players like Maru and Creator who are Code S or close to Code S level while we have foreigners struggling to qualify even for Code A. For the foreigners, they have Stephano who isn't going to continue to play SC2. There's no incentive for foreigners to be good at SC2. It seems that the talent pool is mostly from those who played BW or WC3. Where are the new blood? Most of them rather be casters, maybe because that's where the money is and it requires less amount of training.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
April 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#156
I think top 5-10 foreigners can at least compete with the top 50 koreans, and some others can beat top 50 koreans in certain match-ups.

Less than 20 foreigners could even make it into korean GM league.
delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
April 06 2012 14:29 GMT
#157
Great thread. Goes to show how many people don't even read past the title...
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
April 06 2012 14:30 GMT
#158
not really it feels the same, koreans are still way better
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Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
April 06 2012 14:30 GMT
#159
Not at all, they are even more ahead than when SC2 first burst out, back in GSL 1 and 2 days.

Without Stephano, Naniwa and to a lesser extent Thorzain, i wonder where the foreign scene would be? We would just rely on "old" BW talent like WhiteRa and Idra to get us anywhere.

I feel that the koreans in SC2 today have improved dramatically, the level is just insane right now and its just going higher and higher over there, whereas our game seems stagnant bar a few truly excellent players.
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 06 2012 14:43 GMT
#160
Watch IPL4... we're about to find out.
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