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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 06 2012 10:00 GMT
#81
Only some of the protoss foreigners. In general I think it's the other way around, it was closer at the beginning.
Revolutionist fan
BritWrangler
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
April 06 2012 10:02 GMT
#82
Nope, and with the imminent influx of the Brood War players it's only gunna get worse unfortunately
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
April 06 2012 10:04 GMT
#83
On April 06 2012 16:52 Bazzyrick wrote:
People are too quick to judge or condemn a player or players after 1 victory or 1 tournament.


i mean basically this. the new power rank defines it correctly, who'd win in a hyper-long marathon series. someone taking a best of 5/7 means nothing really. sc2's comparable in some ways to MLB - at some point someone that'll end up with about 70 wins or something will take a three game series off the yankees or whoever has the most money is the best right now. doesn't mean they're actually better.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
April 06 2012 10:04 GMT
#84
Not even close.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 06 2012 10:07 GMT
#85
I only have to look at the TLPD rankings to the right of this page to tell me the truth. Stephano, Nerchio, HuK, Naniwa and LiverZerg vs. Taeja, MMA, MarineKing, DongRaeGu and Leenock. You tell me if that's equal. (Hint: It's not.)

Yeah, they can take the odd series from time to time, but there are probably less than 5 foreigners in the top 100 of the world.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 06 2012 10:30 GMT
#86
I don't like the theory that it's just the practice environment. By all accounts, Violet, Real, Rain aren't anywhere close to being the best Koreans, yet they can still do extremely well in foreigner events. They live in the West, train in the West etc. They probably even have problems properly practicing because of language problems.

Not to say that practicing a lot doesn't help you, but I think there's also the fact that many of the top Koreans are simply more talented. Anyone who has any RTS talent in Korea takes a chance at becoming a pro, unlike here.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 06 2012 10:33 GMT
#87
Korean terran and foriegn Terran are on whole different world.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
April 06 2012 10:36 GMT
#88
If foreigner skill caught up to Korean pros, we wouldn't be "worrying" about Korean pros. Korean pros wouldn't be clear favorites, and we would be worried about other foreigners. Since that is not the case, no.
karn1
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands75 Posts
April 06 2012 10:38 GMT
#89
In my opinion there are just three foreigners who might survive in Code S: Naniwa, Huk and Stephano. And I think these three are head and shoulders above the rest of the foreigners. Ret and Thorzain might be Code A material, but otherwise the Koreans dominate everything.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12711 Posts
April 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#90
On April 06 2012 19:38 karn1 wrote:
In my opinion there are just three foreigners who might survive in Code S: Naniwa, Huk and Stephano. And I think these three are head and shoulders above the rest of the foreigners. Ret and Thorzain might be Code A material, but otherwise the Koreans dominate everything.

Naniwa? Not too sure about that :S
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 06 2012 10:47 GMT
#91
On April 06 2012 19:46 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 19:38 karn1 wrote:
In my opinion there are just three foreigners who might survive in Code S: Naniwa, Huk and Stephano. And I think these three are head and shoulders above the rest of the foreigners. Ret and Thorzain might be Code A material, but otherwise the Koreans dominate everything.

Naniwa? Not too sure about that :S


nor Huk or Stephano.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 10:50:30
April 06 2012 10:49 GMT
#92
On April 06 2012 19:38 karn1 wrote:
In my opinion there are just three foreigners who might survive in Code S: Naniwa, Huk and Stephano. And I think these three are head and shoulders above the rest of the foreigners. Ret and Thorzain might be Code A material, but otherwise the Koreans dominate everything.

Naniwa has yet to do anything in the GSL except losing every single of his code a games. Huk could posibly hang around the lower ends(Round of 32-16) imo. Stephano we will never know really.
aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
April 06 2012 10:52 GMT
#93
On April 06 2012 17:46 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 17:38 aFganFlyTrap wrote:
On April 06 2012 17:18 zefreak wrote:
On April 06 2012 17:16 aFganFlyTrap wrote:
i agree with kennigit. also using the IPL as an example of how the foreigner scene is doing is just wrong. besides a few top Europeans they are ALL at copenhagen games and the gathering this weekend, not at IPL.


Can you name the ones that you think would have a chance at winning IPL4? Because there are more than a dozen koreans in attendance that I wouldn't be too surprised to take it, and there are even more that aren't attending.


i dont think you understand my point -_-


but to humour you ill give you a list of player that are not attending IPL

happy
kas
cloud
lucifron
thorzain
bratok
titan
nightend
grubby
snute
morrow
elfi
turuk
happyzerg
and these are just SOME of the names as CPG and TG12
to name some more.

naniwa
nerchio
fraer
mana
biGs
diestar
strelok
satiini
socke
darkforce
beastqt
lalush
goody
dbs
tarson
hasuobs
xlord
delphi
feast
naama
(if you even DARE say "but none of them will win!" then you sir are an idiot and do not understand what we are actually talking about.)

you will never get 90% of europe and korea at 1 tournament to gauge how well both the scenes fair vs each other. thats why using tournaments like IPL to compare both the scenes is silly. sure you can speculate but dont use IPL as a reason to why your argument is correct.

Is that really a list of people you think could win IPL4 dude? Thorzain or Naniwa are the only ones who could even conceivably win it on that list... you also think Korea and Europe are equal? -_-



i hope for your sake you are trolling...
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12711 Posts
April 06 2012 10:53 GMT
#94
On April 06 2012 19:47 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 19:46 ETisME wrote:
On April 06 2012 19:38 karn1 wrote:
In my opinion there are just three foreigners who might survive in Code S: Naniwa, Huk and Stephano. And I think these three are head and shoulders above the rest of the foreigners. Ret and Thorzain might be Code A material, but otherwise the Koreans dominate everything.

Naniwa? Not too sure about that :S


nor Huk or Stephano.

HuK has stayed in code s for a while, he could had been in code s this session since he was placed highest in the up&down, but he got knocked down unfortunately

stephano could make to code S too, he has the potential definitely.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
RiggaMortaL
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 06 2012 10:54 GMT
#95
On April 06 2012 16:50 blade55555 wrote:
Not really, tbh I feel it's gotten even higher almost. I don't see very many foreigners making upsets (but I do expect a few) at IPL4.

I don't see foreigners catching up to korean skill in who knows how long, just might never happen like bw but I do think we will always have foreigners who will be able to compete with the koreans just not to many imo. But boy would I love to be proven wrong

Totally agree. Really looking forward to this IPL and a few wins from foreigners would certainly be awesome to see.
aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
April 06 2012 10:56 GMT
#96
why are so many not getting my point. yes the koreans are better but to measure how much better you would need all of the players plus more that i listed at one tournament and that just isnt going to happen! hence why i said judging how close the two scenes are on JUST the IPL the weekend is just fucking stupid.
RiggaMortaL
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 06 2012 10:57 GMT
#97
On April 06 2012 19:33 Wildmoon wrote:
Korean terran and foriegn Terran are on whole different world.

Agree, looked like Marine king at MLG was playing a whole different race altogether with some of his strats.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 11:00:16
April 06 2012 10:57 GMT
#98
On April 06 2012 19:00 Salteador Neo wrote:
Only some of the protoss foreigners. In general I think it's the other way around, it was closer at the beginning.


+stephano. That guy is an absolute monster.


On April 06 2012 19:57 RiggaMortaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 19:33 Wildmoon wrote:
Korean terran and foriegn Terran are on whole different world.

Agree, looked like Marine king at MLG was playing a whole different race altogether with some of his strats.


Agreed. His execution was also just insane. His absolutely phenomenal micro gives him a depth of options that other players, even among other korean terrans, just don't have. It also seems like he's not clearly dividing bio and mech strategies like a lot of other players have been doing, and oh wow does it look strong in his hands.
aka ilovesharkpeople
HansK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
249 Posts
April 06 2012 10:58 GMT
#99
It's not even close. Korean ladder is much, much harder, any time a number of Koreans attend a foreign event they place top 3[all 3 top korean I mean] and some times with not even with their best talent there, and in a pool of like 1:5 ratio korean to foreign players.

Not to mention pretty much every foreign person who entered GSL failed miserably and only two had a slight moment of hope, then fell out to code B shortly after. Right now though with the foreign team houses coming into play and players taking it more serious, we're starting to see a select few people be able to really get closer and closer to really compete. I'll really love to look back in one year and see how things are then.
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
April 06 2012 10:59 GMT
#100
There are many many more Koreans at the top level. So I would say no, not when 90% of all Koreans attending MLG takes 90% of the top placements (does what I just wrote make any sense?) :o

Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
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