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I like how everyone starts trying to say they like [random KT player] in order to try to prove themselves righteous.
Honestly if KT didn't have flash they would have less fans then woonjin.
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KT the manchester city of esports
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LOL, never really watched BW but I find the skt/kt rivalry hilarious. Why do you guys hate each other?
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On March 25 2012 14:11 Luepert wrote:
LOL, never really watched BW but I find the skt/kt rivalry hilarious. Why do you guys hate each other?
It's like Real and Barça I guess :p
Rival companies, star line up (especially back in the day, SKT and KT line up were pretty crazy) and so on.
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On March 25 2012 14:03 Lumire wrote:
I like how everyone starts trying to say they like [random KT player] in order to try to prove themselves righteous.
Honestly if KT didn't have flash they would have less fans then woonjin.
Nowaydays incontestably.
KTMagicNS would still be remembered though <3
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On March 25 2012 14:03 Lumire wrote:
Honestly if KT didn't have flash they would have less fans then woonjin.
I honestly believe this.
I guess Violet's got a bit of a story to him. Action had a specific game type "imba late game, sucks at getting there" but that doesn't seem to apply much anymore anyway. Hoejja is left-handed and we can relate to him through Old Boy, so he's pretty legit.
But yeah, 90% of them are there for Flash.
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At the time of this post, SKT has 52% of voters with the most hated fans (did this come out right l0l)
It's not like we climb in your windows and snatch your people up 
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On March 25 2012 14:17 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 14:03 Lumire wrote:
I like how everyone starts trying to say they like [random KT player] in order to try to prove themselves righteous.
Honestly if KT didn't have flash they would have less fans then woonjin. KTMagicNS would still be remembered though <3
All my love for KTFMagicNS <3. Reach, YellOw, & Nal_Ra hwaiting!
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SKT1 fans are the most annoying. a lot of them have no team loyalty whatsoever, and are really just rabid protoss/bisu fans. e.g. a lot of them make fun of fantasy, say he's crap, laugh when he loses, etc.
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i hate skt1. i would like them more since fantasy stopped being so damn horribly inconsistent except i hate bisu fans  . team8 fans are so sad
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On March 25 2012 14:22 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 14:03 Lumire wrote:
Honestly if KT didn't have flash they would have less fans then woonjin. I honestly believe this. I guess Violet's got a bit of a story to him. Action had a specific game type "imba late game, sucks at getting there" but that doesn't seem to apply much anymore anyway. Hoejja is left-handed and we can relate to him through Old Boy, so he's pretty legit. But yeah, 90% of them are there for Flash.
I pick KT as a my favourite team because of it's deep history and great players Nal_ra,Sync,Yellow and Reach and not just because of Flash only .
On March 25 2012 12:52 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 12:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 25 2012 11:24 puppykiller wrote:
Actually im not joking about most KT fans being sc2 players. Its no secret that every fan of KT is really just a fan of Flash and could care less about any other player on the team (except the few odd and delusional Stats and Action fanboys). A lot of sc2 players that watch BW seem to have a raging boner for Flash. They don't really understand BW and don't know who to like or who to cheer for but all damn day they hear that Flash is the best BW player and Flash is god and if Flash switched to sc2 he would be better then MVP (which freaks them out apparently) and so they end up jumping on the KT bandwagon. Followed by Honestly I hate KT except for flash. Presumptuous and hypocritical. No one's delusional for liking other players on the team and the team itself, sorry if this irks you. Uh yes me and many sc2 players that watch bw share a collective boner for flash. There is no hypocrating many ton personm
Man this is so wrong .... I only have !@#$% for Toss girl only ....... She is so beautiful ... Goddess of starcraft <3
Also if you doubt my loyalty, Go search for KT's New beginning.
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I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history.
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On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history.
CJ ain't the same CJ like it used to be .
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T8 because Jaedong is my favorite player of all time and while I was rooting for him and his new team I started to liked Jaehoon because he showed a lot of potential this season (he also showed that he can choke easily tho). I always liked Sea and baby is cute..Killer well its mini-dong so I cant hate him, dont really care about the other players of the team though.
But honestly without Jaedong I couldnt care less about the team, hell I couldnt care less about bw proleague and stuff.. He is just soo awesome to watch =)
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On March 25 2012 16:10 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history. CJ ain't the same CJ like it used to be .
Of course. Hite Sparkyz got added to the mix. I don't quite follow how that is the same as specifically recruiting players from less stable teams consistantly throughout the years.
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I dont dislike SKT as a team. They are super talented. Its just the SKT fans that drive me craaazy.
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On March 25 2012 16:47 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 16:10 Sawamura wrote:On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history. CJ ain't the same CJ like it used to be . Of course. Hite Sparkyz got added to the mix. I don't quite follow how that is the same as specifically recruiting players from less stable teams consistantly throughout the years.
If you are talking about Luxury and Forgg they are long gone from the bw scene . Estro Action wasn't a MsL winner, WJ.CH was sold to KT and I wouldn't call WJ a LESS STABLE team . Fox folded up and their players were put on a draft and KT took in wooki and mind . I don't see what the point you are trying to get here . Most of the players kt drafted were considered to be only specialised in one section of the game and they weren't as good as the msl winners like forgg and luxury .
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On March 25 2012 16:52 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 16:47 Letmelose wrote:On March 25 2012 16:10 Sawamura wrote:On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history. CJ ain't the same CJ like it used to be . Of course. Hite Sparkyz got added to the mix. I don't quite follow how that is the same as specifically recruiting players from less stable teams consistantly throughout the years. If you are talking about Luxury and Forgg they are long gone from the bw scene . Estro Action wasn't a MsL winner, WJ.CH was sold to KT and I wouldn't call WJ a LESS STABLE team . Fox folded up and their players were put on a draft and KT took in wooki and mind . I don't see what the point you are trying to get here . Most of the players kt drafted were considered to be only specialised in one section of the game and they weren't as good as the msl winners like forgg and luxury .
Focusing purely on the present status of things.
The current CJ Entus has Effort, Snow, Movie and Skyhigh. They were there from the start, and all play a vital role in their team. I remember Snow being hyped as the next great CJ Entus player by coach Cho, comparing him with the likes and Xellos and Savior. Movie was scolded by coach Cho when he was a no-name scrub because his low-apm games made him look like he was browsing the net instead of practicing. All these players grew with their team and their team is much richer for this.
Off the top of my head, the current KT side has... who? Stats, Hoejja, and Barracks. We all know Flash was a WeMade Fox prodigy. Reach made his name as a Hanbit player. Action was known for his defiler play back when he was at Estro. KT continuously buys players, whether they are individual league winners or not (although trades of that magnitude are rarely seen in other teams). It's a huge part of why they are such a good team. Deal with it. Only a minor fraction of the team was there to start off with.
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On March 25 2012 17:12 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 16:52 Sawamura wrote:On March 25 2012 16:47 Letmelose wrote:On March 25 2012 16:10 Sawamura wrote:On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history. CJ ain't the same CJ like it used to be . Of course. Hite Sparkyz got added to the mix. I don't quite follow how that is the same as specifically recruiting players from less stable teams consistantly throughout the years. If you are talking about Luxury and Forgg they are long gone from the bw scene . Estro Action wasn't a MsL winner, WJ.CH was sold to KT and I wouldn't call WJ a LESS STABLE team . Fox folded up and their players were put on a draft and KT took in wooki and mind . I don't see what the point you are trying to get here . Most of the players kt drafted were considered to be only specialised in one section of the game and they weren't as good as the msl winners like forgg and luxury . Focusing purely on the present status of things. The current CJ Entus has Effort, Snow, Movie and Skyhigh. They were there from the start, and all play a vital role in their team. I remember Snow being hyped as the next great CJ Entus player by coach Cho, comparing him with the likes and Xellos and Savior. Movie was scolded by coach Cho when he was a no-name scrub because his low-apm games made him look like he was browsing the net instead of practicing. All these players grew with their team and their team is much richer for this. Off the top of my head, the current KT side has... who? Stats, Hoejja, and Barracks. We all know Flash was a WeMade Fox prodigy. Reach made his name as a Hanbit player. Action was known for his defiler play back when he was at Estro. KT continuously buys players, whether they are individual league winners or not (although trades of that magnitude are rarely seen in other teams). It's a huge part of why they are such a good team. Deal with it. Only a minor fraction of the team was there to start off with.
Richer team lol ? The only players that is on CJ Entus that are playing well are not even from CJ in the first place . Especially Horang 2 and Leta their performance in proleague and playoff was much more better than your "homegrown" players . Hydra and effort who are suppose to be the best ZvZ players were destroyed by Hoejja(homegrown) and Action .Despite Action being known for his late game versus terran, It's also credited to KT Coaching staff that action improve in his other match up and he had potential in him .
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On March 25 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 17:12 Letmelose wrote:On March 25 2012 16:52 Sawamura wrote:On March 25 2012 16:47 Letmelose wrote:On March 25 2012 16:10 Sawamura wrote:On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.
Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.
Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.
Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."
SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.
There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history. CJ ain't the same CJ like it used to be . Of course. Hite Sparkyz got added to the mix. I don't quite follow how that is the same as specifically recruiting players from less stable teams consistantly throughout the years. If you are talking about Luxury and Forgg they are long gone from the bw scene . Estro Action wasn't a MsL winner, WJ.CH was sold to KT and I wouldn't call WJ a LESS STABLE team . Fox folded up and their players were put on a draft and KT took in wooki and mind . I don't see what the point you are trying to get here . Most of the players kt drafted were considered to be only specialised in one section of the game and they weren't as good as the msl winners like forgg and luxury . Focusing purely on the present status of things. The current CJ Entus has Effort, Snow, Movie and Skyhigh. They were there from the start, and all play a vital role in their team. I remember Snow being hyped as the next great CJ Entus player by coach Cho, comparing him with the likes and Xellos and Savior. Movie was scolded by coach Cho when he was a no-name scrub because his low-apm games made him look like he was browsing the net instead of practicing. All these players grew with their team and their team is much richer for this. Off the top of my head, the current KT side has... who? Stats, Hoejja, and Barracks. We all know Flash was a WeMade Fox prodigy. Reach made his name as a Hanbit player. Action was known for his defiler play back when he was at Estro. KT continuously buys players, whether they are individual league winners or not (although trades of that magnitude are rarely seen in other teams). It's a huge part of why they are such a good team. Deal with it. Only a minor fraction of the team was there to start off with. Richer team lol ? The only players that is on CJ Entus that are playing well are not even from CJ in the first place . Especially Horang 2 and Leta their performance in proleague and playoff was much more better than your "homegrown" players . Hydra and effort who are suppose to be the best ZvZ players were destroyed by Hoejja(homegrown) and Action .Despite Action being known for his late game versus terran, It's also credited to KT Coaching staff that action improve in his other match up and he had potential in him .
1. Leta and Horang2 performing well would be Hite Sparkyz players outperforming CJ Entus players. Again, I don't follow how that fact works in your argument since there's a difference between two teams fusing and KT buying specific players that they want.
2. KT won against CJ Entus. Nice to see you so giddy over that. CJ Entus ain't my team, I'm just pointing out the obvious while you swing back and forth over various issues.
If you cannot deal with the fact that the best homegrown talent from KT is Stats, and have to resort to "we still won against homegrown talents, so there!", to someone who doesn't even have team loyalties, you're going down a path I'm not willing to follow. Congratulations on your team's success.
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