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On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports.
If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation.
His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all.
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On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all.
Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!"
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Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order..
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On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order..
a little respect for the dead, please.
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On March 27 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order.. a little respect for the dead, please.
The dead dont care. They cant. They are dead. The living are what matters.
Things are rarely black and white (no pun intended). If anything, this story should serve as an example to for all of us to take a few steps back and wait until the real facts are in before we pass judgement.
User was warned for this post
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On March 27 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order.. a little respect for the dead, please.
Yea I apologize. He's not the stupid one, just the people who are blowing it out of proportion.
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On March 27 2012 07:09 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order.. a little respect for the dead, please. The dead dont care. They cant. They are dead. The living are what matters.
a little respect for the family of the dead, please.
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On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!"
By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot.
Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him.
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Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing.
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People complain about people jumping to conclusions, and then in the same post take the shooter at his word.
Baffling.
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On March 27 2012 07:17 Saryph wrote:
People complain about people jumping to conclusions, and then in the same post take the shooter at his word.
Baffling.
People who jumped to conclusions listened to sensationalist media reports and emotion rather than restraint.
Those who didnt are basing conclusions on multiple eye witness accounts and police evidence gathered.
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On March 27 2012 07:17 Saryph wrote:
People complain about people jumping to conclusions, and then in the same post take the shooter at his word.
Baffling.
There is plenty of evidence supporting the shooter's story.
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On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing.
Well isn't that smart?
Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that!
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On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that!
This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues.
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On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him.
I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack.
There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified.
I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed.
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On March 27 2012 07:17 Saryph wrote:
People complain about people jumping to conclusions, and then in the same post take the shooter at his word.
Baffling.
lol... things this thread has taught me:
-The media paints a biased picture of events with the limited information available at the time, but character assassination is held in high regard and relevance by those who decry such bias.
-If I ever need a lawyer I am calling daphreak.
-Right and wrong are blurred with legal/illegal (Zimmerman's taking matters into his own hands).
Thanks to the one poster that provided an opinion about disregarding 911 operators, however I am still not convinced- although I don't know if considering them as a lawful order is the right way to go either.
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On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Im sorry, but I am almost a little offended by this, when I was young I also got suspended sometimes from school, I also smoked marijuana, I did some bad things, as I was young and stupid yadayada.
Today though im 26 years, I am a good father to a 4 year old girl and 2 year old boy, I got a good job and some good friends that I love and care about. I help and take care of my sick grandmother and I help my neighbours when they are out of sugar. I probably smoked my last joint at 19.
So... Because I did alott of the same things as Trayvon when I was 17, I was a bad apple that deserved to die? I am sad when people judge people by so little... Everyone can change...
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On March 27 2012 07:26 screamingpalm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:17 Saryph wrote:
People complain about people jumping to conclusions, and then in the same post take the shooter at his word.
Baffling. lol... things this thread has taught me: -The media paints a biased picture of events with the limited information available at the time, but character assassination is held in high regard and relevance by those who decry such bias. -If I ever need a lawyer I am calling daphreak. -Right and wrong are blurred with legal/illegal (Zimmerman's taking matters into his own hands). Thanks to the one poster that provided an opinion about disregarding 911 operators, however I am still not convinced- although I don't know if considering them as a lawful order is the right way to go either.
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On March 27 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him. I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack. There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified. I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed.
Give the police force more credit. Barely a difference? Are you fucking shitting me?
Police officers know how to identify themselves, first of all.
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