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On March 27 2012 07:10 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:09 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order.. a little respect for the dead, please. The dead dont care. They cant. They are dead. The living are what matters. a little respect for the family of the dead, please.
You mean, the same family that is trying to trademark the death of their son?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123
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On March 27 2012 07:30 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him. I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack. There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified. I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed. Give the police force more credit. Barely a difference? Are you fucking shitting me? Police officers know how to identify themselves, first of all.
They also know how to beat helpless people 3, 4, 5 on 1.
Apparently that is mandatory training in major city police academies.
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On March 27 2012 07:32 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:10 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 27 2012 07:09 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 27 2012 07:00 SystemAddict wrote:
Trayvon Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman. That stupid punk got what he deserved. Zimmerman is a hero for ridding the world of one less bad apple.
Also, if Trayvon wanted Zimmerman to stop following him, he could have went to the police and requested a restraining order.. a little respect for the dead, please. The dead dont care. They cant. They are dead. The living are what matters. a little respect for the family of the dead, please. You mean, the same family that is trying to trademark the death of their son? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123
That has already been linked and what could be a reasonable explanation has already been provided. Its only a page or two back at most.
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On March 27 2012 07:30 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him. I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack. There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified. I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed. Give the police force more credit. Barely a difference? Are you fucking shitting me? Police officers know how to identify themselves, first of all.
How many times has TL had a thread about the police doing something heinous like shooting an unarmed man while several officers had him pinned to the ground, beating someone to such an extent that they die or pulling a gun on someone who filmed one of the aforementioned events?
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On March 27 2012 07:23 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that! This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues.
It's an over simplication, sure. But it's not wrong.
You can drudge up all the past robberies in the neighborhood, Zimmerman's history, Traydon's history etc. But essentially Zimmerman confronted a stranger for being suspicious, with very little reason other than he was an unrecognizable black male.
The guy is a dummy.
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In my opinion, arresting someone after a murder occurs is not being judgmental, but instead cautious. If someone is dead due to lethal force, i don't care if it was self defense, that person should at the very least taken in for an afternoon or the night. If there was nothing that happened, then the guy can be let go. If there is, then the actual judgmental part can take place; its called a trial. This means that I personally have a problem with the stand your ground law, which I believe gives too much freedom to act brash. At the very least, if it is legal or allowed, it should result in some kind of check up/processing with lots of paperwork and what not. That way it would help curb people's reliance upon or willingness to utilize their right to kill in self defense, since there has to be plenty of alternatives than aim for the kill. In fact, given the current law, it would be better to kill the threatening person rather than leave them injured, as allowing them to live allows for a case against the person who used the lethal force. If they're dead, they can't talk and you get to have an alibi "It was my right". If he lives but has a hole in his leg from your gun shot, you're gonna have the biggest legal fight of your life.
Given the current case, at the very least, the parents have a complaint against zimmerman and wish to file for court. If the police/county/state/etc. can't find enough evidence to at the very least arrest the person, then I really have a problem with stand your ground and related laws. You have to right to defend yourself (which I still don't think this is a case of self-defense, since he chased after someone in middle of the night with intent to restrain another's personal rights), but the more force you use, the more responsibility you will have to accept.
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On March 27 2012 07:34 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:23 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that! This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues. It's an over simplication, sure. But it's not wrong. You can drudge up all the past robberies in the neighborhood, Zimmerman's history, Traydon's history etc. But essentially Zimmerman confronted a stranger for being suspicious, with very little reason other than he was an unrecognizable black male. The guy is a dummy.
And none of that is illegal or even particularly wrong. What is wrong is that some person assaulted another person then began slamming their head into the concrete and punching them in the face. They got shot for that. That is called self defense. No matter how you slice it, those are the facts of the matter.
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On March 27 2012 07:34 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:30 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him. I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack. There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified. I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed. Give the police force more credit. Barely a difference? Are you fucking shitting me? Police officers know how to identify themselves, first of all. How many times has TL had a thread about the police doing something heinous like shooting an unarmed man while several officers had him pinned to the ground, beating someone to such an extent that they die or pulling a gun on someone who filmed one of the aforementioned events?
Are you fucking shitting me? Characterizing all police as incompetent is as offensive as characterizing all gun owners as hicks or all hooded Black men as thugs.
TL is not the end-all authority on the integrity of all things. Sheesh!
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On March 27 2012 07:38 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:34 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:23 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that! This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues. It's an over simplication, sure. But it's not wrong. You can drudge up all the past robberies in the neighborhood, Zimmerman's history, Traydon's history etc. But essentially Zimmerman confronted a stranger for being suspicious, with very little reason other than he was an unrecognizable black male. The guy is a dummy. And none of that is illegal or even particularly wrong. What is wrong is that some person assaulted another person then began slamming their head into the concrete and punching them in the face. They got shot for that. That is called self defense. No matter how you slice it, those are the facts of the matter.
I agree, except for the 'even particularly wrong' part. It's wrong enough.
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Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His Gun
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.
The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.
In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.
http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html
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On March 27 2012 07:38 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:34 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:30 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:29 Frunkis wrote:
Poor, innocent Trayvon was only guilty of wearing a hoodie and eating some skittles. Oh and also burglary, vandalism, drug use and aggravated assault. And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows. What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him. I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack. There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified. I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed. Give the police force more credit. Barely a difference? Are you fucking shitting me? Police officers know how to identify themselves, first of all. How many times has TL had a thread about the police doing something heinous like shooting an unarmed man while several officers had him pinned to the ground, beating someone to such an extent that they die or pulling a gun on someone who filmed one of the aforementioned events? Are you fucking shitting me? Characterizing all police as incompetent is as offensive as characterizing all gun owners as hicks or all hooded Black men as thugs. TL is not the end-all authority on the integrity of all things. Sheesh!
Given that Police are such a small % of the population and account for such a large % of said beatings/unprovoked shootings, it is a very important question to ask.
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On March 27 2012 07:34 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:23 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that! This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues. It's an over simplication, sure. But it's not wrong. You can drudge up all the past robberies in the neighborhood, Zimmerman's history, Traydon's history etc. But essentially Zimmerman confronted a stranger for being suspicious, with very little reason other than he was an unrecognizable black male. The guy is a dummy.
i agree with some of the things you say. but one big thing is that there was an unknown individual in his neighborhood at night in a gated community, and he was the neighborhood watchmen. going up to the kid, identifying himself (im the resident neighborhood watchment) and asking who the kid was does not seem terribly wrong. not sure how it exactly went down though, and i also recognize that after calling the cops he shouldnt have gotten involved at all.
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On March 27 2012 06:23 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 06:17 AdamBanks wrote:On March 27 2012 06:09 Zaqwe wrote:Looks like Zimmerman may not have been so crazy to think Trayvon was a suspicious character. Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon MartinMiami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school in October in an incident in which he was found in possession of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a schools security staffer described as a “burglary tool,” The Miami Herald has learned. According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker. Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html Its a good thing we took care of him then i guess, cant have wtf's all over the place. Seriously, you gonna haul out zimmermans 5th grade report card and try to argue that he's an outstanding citizen? Relevence bro? None. wtf does going to school with a screw driver make it justified to chase and shoot someone when they beat ur ass for being nosy? Stop fearing the guy living next door and carrying guns and this stuff won't happen so much. Don't bother replying, ur wrongness isnt open to debate. He was caught in school with a burglary tool and stolen jewelry. The neighborhood had burglaries recently and that was why Zimmerman was on the lookout. Maybe Zimmerman was not wrong when he thought Trayvon looked like the type of character who might be up to no good.
Yah cause he totally had all the information.
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Seems more and more like this trayvon guy wasn't as innocent as media portrayed him, just a shame how people are so quick to jump to conclusions just because media say so.
something tells me both of these guys acted wrong but I'm gonna wait for more info
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On March 27 2012 07:43 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:38 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:34 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:30 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On March 27 2012 07:12 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:59 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:57 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 06:49 DigiGnar wrote:On March 27 2012 06:40 Defacer wrote:
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And that's why he deserved to get shot for no real reason. Oh wait ...
Let's keep this shit in perspective. Trayvon is still the victim here. Even if Trayvon initiated the fight, he had no motive to attack Zimmerman until Zimmerman confronted him. What exactly happened at that point, no one really knows.
What's coming out now says that Zimmerman was the one who was confronted. Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, then told him he did once Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem. This is also said to be aligned with eyewitness reports. If this is the case, I personally still don't think Zimmerman is blameless. He might not be guilty of murder, but he's still serves as a cautionary tale about an idiot that needlessly induced a dangerous situation. His job is to watch the neighborhood. No more, no less. If he had some kind of law enforcement training, or maybe if he simply declared his intent ("I'm part of the neighborhood watch, and have never seen you before. Who are you?") than maybe there isn't a fight at all. Exactly how did he induce this event? Trayvon made it dangerous when he hit Zimmerman. Trayvon escelated a simple "I don't have a problem" to a "Well, now you do!" By pretending to be the neighborhood badass by needlessly following a strange black man in his car and then pursuing him on foot. Unless you're trained to engage with people you geniunely suspect are dangerous, and you have the opportunity to wait for law enforcement, stay in your damn car.Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations. I'm sorry, while I don't characterize Zimmerman as 'evil', it's hard for me to sympathize for him. I'm sorry, but your understanding of the training for police, security guards, etc is way out of whack. There is barely a difference between an average male and a police officer, other than the officer's gun, badge, and sense of authority. Security guards don't get guns because it causes insurance rates to skyrocket, not because they are unqualified. I've said it before, if Zimmerman was an undercover cop the result would have been the same, except Martin probably wouldn't have gotten a single punch off before he was shot and killed. Give the police force more credit. Barely a difference? Are you fucking shitting me? Police officers know how to identify themselves, first of all. How many times has TL had a thread about the police doing something heinous like shooting an unarmed man while several officers had him pinned to the ground, beating someone to such an extent that they die or pulling a gun on someone who filmed one of the aforementioned events? Are you fucking shitting me? Characterizing all police as incompetent is as offensive as characterizing all gun owners as hicks or all hooded Black men as thugs. TL is not the end-all authority on the integrity of all things. Sheesh! Given that Police are such a small % of the population and account for such a large % of said beatings/unprovoked shootings, it is a very important question to ask.
That might be because it's their job to enforce the law and put themselves in dangerous situations on a regular basis. I'm sure their GOOD CALL/BAD CALL ratio is not as horrible as you think it is.
I urge you guys to actually meet and talk to police officer about their training and qualifications. It's far beyond Zimmerman's qualifications to watch a street at night.
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On March 27 2012 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:34 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:23 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that! This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues. It's an over simplication, sure. But it's not wrong. You can drudge up all the past robberies in the neighborhood, Zimmerman's history, Traydon's history etc. But essentially Zimmerman confronted a stranger for being suspicious, with very little reason other than he was an unrecognizable black male. The guy is a dummy. i agree with some of the things you say. but one big thing is that there was an unknown individual in his neighborhood at night in a gated community, and he was the neighborhood watchmen. going up to the kid, identifying himself (im the resident neighborhood watchment) and asking who the kid was does not seem terribly wrong. not sure how it exactly went down though, and i also recognize that after calling the cops he shouldnt have gotten involved at all.
Well, this ambiguity is why the case has become so polarizing and personal for so many people. Sure, there is a lot of biased people, but I think there are a lot of more measured people asking themselves, "Why this kid."
His race was a factor in being considered "suspicious", resulting in a pointless confrontation and pointless death.
It's not the end of the world, it's just one of those stories that reminds people that this wishful thinking of a "post-racial" society is still a long-ways-away.
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On March 27 2012 07:43 Zaqwe wrote:Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His GunGeorge Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.
The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.
In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html
Oh so the strange threatening man following him pulled out his gun during the confrontation, and the kid tried to take it from him, maybe to keep from getting shot. No shit sherlock.
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Horrible all around, so many ways this could have been prevented from both sides.
Still, I wonder if Trayvon was sporting his gold teeth when he was walking down that street...
not a reliable source, just a blog, but if it turns out to be true, foolish kid, foolish Zimmerman.
Gold Teeth? looking at it closer, kinda looks as photoshopped as so many other pictures of him out there. not sure
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On March 27 2012 08:15 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 27 2012 07:34 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:23 Mallard86 wrote:On March 27 2012 07:22 Defacer wrote:On March 27 2012 07:16 Mallard86 wrote:
Most security guards have to patrol office buildings and parking lots unarmed, because they're not qualified to deal with potentially dangerous situations.
Actually they only do that because of liability and licensing. Well isn't that smart? Zimmerman is learning that engaging people randomly for being suspicious *cough Black cough* and then having to shoot them has reprecussions beyond the law! Fancy that! This is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of all the issues. It's an over simplication, sure. But it's not wrong. You can drudge up all the past robberies in the neighborhood, Zimmerman's history, Traydon's history etc. But essentially Zimmerman confronted a stranger for being suspicious, with very little reason other than he was an unrecognizable black male. The guy is a dummy. i agree with some of the things you say. but one big thing is that there was an unknown individual in his neighborhood at night in a gated community, and he was the neighborhood watchmen. going up to the kid, identifying himself (im the resident neighborhood watchment) and asking who the kid was does not seem terribly wrong. not sure how it exactly went down though, and i also recognize that after calling the cops he shouldnt have gotten involved at all. Well, this ambiguity is why the case has become so polarizing and personal for so many people. Sure, there is a lot of biased people, but I think there are a lot of more measured people asking themselves, "Why this kid." His race was a factor in being considered "suspicious", resulting in a pointless confrontation and pointless death. It's not the end of the world, it's just one of those stories that reminds people that this wishful thinking of a "post-racial" society is still a long-ways-away.
That his race was a factor is an assumption, made by racists and race hustlers who are more interested in pushing their agenda than in the facts of the case.
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On March 27 2012 08:21 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:43 Zaqwe wrote:Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His GunGeorge Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.
The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.
In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html Oh so the strange threatening man following him pulled out his gun during the confrontation, and the kid tried to take it from him, maybe to keep from getting shot. No shit sherlock.
Its quite hilarious. 10 pages ago people spoke of duty to retreat. Now Martin, who struck Zimmerman and beat him while he lay on the ground, not only has no duty to retreat but is justified in trying obtain a firearm from the person he is assaulting in order to protect himself. How contrived are you going to get in order to defend this guy?
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