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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 04:00:01
March 25 2012 03:59 GMT
#1701
One problem with having every defendant assert their self-defense claim in a trial is that they have to incur the attorney fees to defend themselves, which unless you are rich, will completely bankrupt you and your family. In addition, there are also limited resources on the government's side. They have to make decisions about which cases to pursue among a number of priorities, not the least of which being chance of winning. If they are faced with a case, such as this one, where it would be very difficult to overcome the law, given the limited evidence they have, it would likely be a complete waste of time and money for the government as well. There are other cases which would not have been able to be prosecuted because they decided to prosecute this one, so those cases go without 'justice' as well. Beyond that, in order to even arrest Zimmerman, they need probable cause that he committed a 'crime'. Killing, by itself, is not a crime. There are other elements involved with each of the related crimes relating to homicide. Again, back to lack of evidence. If the police make an improper arrest, then they are open up to civil liability from Zimmerman. So, then they have to defend against that suit, which takes resources, which they didn't have, so that's even more cases that they can't afford to prosecute.

We don't live in a Utopia. This is the real world.
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
March 25 2012 05:32 GMT
#1702
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?
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nOlifeTERRAN
Profile Joined September 2010
United States153 Posts
March 25 2012 05:48 GMT
#1703
Welcome to America this shit happens everyday... It's BS that nothing is ever done about this kind of stuff. I remember my friend getting shot in the face at the age of 13 and nothing was ever done about it. the person who shot him was a commerce city police officer of Colorado. I have nightmares of this every once in a while... GLHF TL. Ban me for this I don't care.. The fact that it took something like this to remember my past is.... horrible. Just know justice doesn't mean justice anymore, We alone control this.

User was temp banned for this post.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 25 2012 06:57 GMT
#1704
a well ordered justice system would have to treat this as a prejudiced killing. if some existing system does not then that system is bankrupt and its defenders imbecilic.

that's about all we can say on this matter.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
March 25 2012 14:06 GMT
#1705
a well ordered justice system would have to treat this as a prejudiced killing. if some existing system does not then that system is bankrupt and its defenders imbecilic.

that's about all we can say on this matter.


A well ordered justice system and a well ordered person would determine the facts before making sensationalist proclamations.
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 14:09:18
March 25 2012 14:08 GMT
#1706
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


Hahahahahahahaha. "17 year old shot to death". Was he not 17? Was he not shot, resulting in his death? I don't get it. Seems totally accurate to me. Where is the inaccurate part?
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
March 25 2012 14:13 GMT
#1707
Hahahahahahahaha. "17 year old shot to death". Was he not 17? Was he not shot, resulting in his death? I don't get it. Seems totally accurate to me. Where is the inaccurate part?


That's the thread title, not the original post.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 14:30:02
March 25 2012 14:23 GMT
#1708
On March 25 2012 23:13 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
Hahahahahahahaha. "17 year old shot to death". Was he not 17? Was he not shot, resulting in his death? I don't get it. Seems totally accurate to me. Where is the inaccurate part?


That's the thread title, not the original post.


Totally read it as "change title", which made the complaint seem massively hilarious, given that the OP is just the text of an article (at least it was at one point -- didnt bother to check if its been updated to include 'inaccurate' stoofs)
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 25 2012 14:28 GMT
#1709
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
March 25 2012 14:33 GMT
#1710
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 25 2012 14:35 GMT
#1711
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
March 25 2012 14:38 GMT
#1712
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 25 2012 14:48 GMT
#1713
On March 25 2012 23:38 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.


And the point of the OP being a quote of an article still stands. The article is 5 days old. Kind of hard to update a quoting that doesn't change. This whole thing has been blowing up everywhere in the media. If you want newer information, read another article.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
March 25 2012 14:52 GMT
#1714
On March 25 2012 23:48 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:38 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.


And the point of the OP being a quote of an article still stands. The article is 5 days old. Kind of hard to update a quoting that doesn't change. This whole thing has been blowing up everywhere in the media. If you want newer information, read another article.

Then change the OP to a series of articles so that we dont get people that come in just to make one post (and sometimes get banned) just because they read the OP. Information comes out pretty fast.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 15:04:05
March 25 2012 15:03 GMT
#1715
On March 25 2012 23:52 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:48 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:38 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.


And the point of the OP being a quote of an article still stands. The article is 5 days old. Kind of hard to update a quoting that doesn't change. This whole thing has been blowing up everywhere in the media. If you want newer information, read another article.

Then change the OP to a series of articles so that we dont get people that come in just to make one post (and sometimes get banned) just because they read the OP. Information comes out pretty fast.


Well maybe it's just me then that is of the mindset that people should read a thread before posting in it. If someone gets banned, it's because they made an inflammatory and bad post.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
March 25 2012 15:07 GMT
#1716
On March 26 2012 00:03 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:52 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:48 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:38 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.


And the point of the OP being a quote of an article still stands. The article is 5 days old. Kind of hard to update a quoting that doesn't change. This whole thing has been blowing up everywhere in the media. If you want newer information, read another article.

Then change the OP to a series of articles so that we dont get people that come in just to make one post (and sometimes get banned) just because they read the OP. Information comes out pretty fast.


Maybe it's just me that is of the mindset that people should read a thread before posting in it. If someone gets banned, it's because they made an inflammatory and bad post.

For smaller threads sure, this one has gotten pretty big. Makes it hard for other people to enter the discussion, which is why we have pretty much the same people posting. People arent gonna read all this. Just the OP, which is where all the asinine posts that have outdated info come from.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 25 2012 15:16 GMT
#1717
The information in the article isn't really outdated or wrong though. The new information is that of the witnesses "Austin", "John", "Mary" and the other female who's name I forget, the girlfriend, and the DoJ getting involved. And a possible suit by the Martin's agains the homeowners association. None of the new information is conclusive to piecing together what happened between Zimmerman leaving the car and Martin being shot, the story is the same. The questions at the bottom have been answered, that's the only thing that I can see that might be an issue.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
March 25 2012 15:19 GMT
#1718
On March 26 2012 00:16 Fyrewolf wrote:
The information in the article isn't really outdated or wrong though. The new information is that of the witnesses "Austin", "John", "Mary" and the other female who's name I forget, the girlfriend, and the DoJ getting involved. And a possible suit by the Martin's agains the homeowners association. None of the new information is conclusive to piecing together what happened between Zimmerman leaving the car and Martin being shot, the story is the same. The questions at the bottom have been answered, that's the only thing that I can see that might be an issue.

Exactly, but why not try to give all the info or at least try to give all the info we know in the OP. Its not like OP updating is a foreign event on TL.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10499 Posts
March 25 2012 15:45 GMT
#1719
On March 25 2012 23:48 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:38 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.


And the point of the OP being a quote of an article still stands. The article is 5 days old. Kind of hard to update a quoting that doesn't change. This whole thing has been blowing up everywhere in the media. If you want newer information, read another article.


It's not about newer information. The article sucks. It doesn't even make mention of the fact that Zimmerman had wounds from the altercation - a pretty important detail since his defense is self-defense. It's not neutral and it is sensationalist, which are two good reasons to change it. What exactly is your problem with changing it, anyway?
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 25 2012 15:58 GMT
#1720
On March 26 2012 00:45 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:48 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:38 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:35 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:33 Lockitupv2 wrote:
On March 25 2012 23:28 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 25 2012 14:32 dogabutila wrote:
Can we have a mod edit the OP to something less terribly inaccurate and sensationalist into something that is maybe a little bit more..... neutral?


You do realize the entire OP is quoting the article linked at the bottom of it, right?

Well the first line says something like "The story so far." Im not saying that OP isnt neutral, it would just be nice if it was updated as more information comes forward.


That's the title of the linked article.

My other point still stands.


And the point of the OP being a quote of an article still stands. The article is 5 days old. Kind of hard to update a quoting that doesn't change. This whole thing has been blowing up everywhere in the media. If you want newer information, read another article.


It's not about newer information. The article sucks. It doesn't even make mention of the fact that Zimmerman had wounds from the altercation - a pretty important detail since his defense is self-defense. It's not neutral and it is sensationalist, which are two good reasons to change it. What exactly is your problem with changing it, anyway?


I don't really have that much of a problem with changing it, but every article is sensationalist at this point, some one way and some the other. Of course the guy was bleeding, there's no reason to assume he wasn't, I think the most relevant information is the last phone call of the deceased which is still technically one person's hearsay. There's so many inconsistencies everywhere that I'm just waiting for actual concrete information that has actual significant impact on the story.
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