Trayvon Martin 17yo Kid Shot to Death - Page 79

On March 25 2012 05:28 NotSorry wrote:


Your sense of justice seems pretty warped when there is no proof that anyone did anything outside of the law.

On March 25 2012 05:31 visual77 wrote:


Someone is fucking dead. That means someone did something outside of the law.

On March 25 2012 05:31 Dzemoo wrote:
Just trying to look at things as you would have to in a court of law, without bias. Regardless of what really happened I think Zimmerman was extremely foolish, assumed Trayvon was upto no good when he was just going to the shops and combined series of events lead to someone being shot who never needed to be.

On March 25 2012 05:19 Chessz wrote:
I'm exhausted reading and thinking about this. There is no excuse for Zimmerman's paranoia and leaving his vehicle, especially with police on the way. Stand Your Ground does not apply (the fact it got brought up is obfuscation really. Same with the "order" from dispatcher semantic dispute). There are conflicting eyewitness reports, (half of whom hid inside their homes, saw only moments of the actual course of events) and to be honest because they are eyewitness reports they should actually carry minimal weight and consideration. We can debate whether Zimmerman was racist and analyze the phone audio and all that bullshit but seriously.

A young man is needlessly dead. His killer, who originally lied to police, was not even detained for a single evening. Why is there so much debate over the altercation and law and semantics when justice is nowhere to be found.

On March 25 2012 05:31 NotSorry wrote:


Killing in self defense is not outside of the law, so google it up.

On March 25 2012 05:31 NotSorry wrote:


Killing in self defense is not outside of the law, so google it up.




This is also an assumption, we don't know what he was doing out there other than that at some point he did go to a store. Not saying he was but for all we know maybe he was out there scooping houses to rob or selling weed like his facebook page implies he has had some connections with in the past.

On March 25 2012 05:43 dAPhREAk wrote:

i would hope everyone would stick to what we know (or can assume from the evidence). there is no reason to believe the kid was doing anything illegal when he was confronted by zimmerman. i know you arent saying he was actually doing it, but once you imply that he was, it turns into a flame war.

On March 25 2012 05:31 NotSorry wrote:


Killing in self defense is not outside of the law, so google it up.




This is also an assumption, we don't know what he was doing out there other than that at some point he did go to a store. Not saying he was but for all we know maybe he was out there scoping houses to rob or selling weed like his facebook page implies he has had some connections with in the past.

On March 25 2012 05:31 Dzemoo wrote:
TBH, the more you look at the evidence the harder it is to decide what really happened. A lot of stuff makes it sound like Zimmerman was cruising around in his car next to Trayvon then got out and shot him, but there's so many unanswered questions...



- Zimmerman phones police and gives the dispatcher an address where he is.
- Zimmerman says that Trayvon is "checking him out" and "coming towards him" with "his hand in his waistband".
- Zimmerman says that "these ar5eholes they always getting away".
- Zimmerman is giving the dispatcher accurate directions so he knows exactly where he is.
- Trayvon starts to run away and dispatcher is informed.
- Dispatcher asked if he's following him, Zimmerman says he is. Dispatcher tells him they don't need him to follow and Zimmerman says "ok".
- Zimmerman says he lives in the area and gives location he will meet the officer, but he doesn't know the through road.
- Dispatcher says he'll have officer call Zimmerman when he's in area.

We can then assume after this Zimmerman went driving around to either the point where he was supposed to meet the cop or went looking for Trayvon. At some point they both meet, Trayvon knows that Zimmerman was watching him from the car before he ran off.

Questions:

- Zimmerman does say in call that he doesn't know the name of the throughway, maybe he wanted to find out the address so he could tell officer on route/maybe he saw Trayvon and wanted to get exact location for when officer rings him (hence why he was out his car looking at sign like he claims he was doing then Tayvon attacked him).
- Trayvon does have a motive to be an aggressor, he has clearly seen Zimmerman following him earlier and ran from him. The guy then turns up again near him, maybe Trayvon was scared he was being stalked by this guy so made first move?
- On witness calls to police you can clearly hear someone screaming help me, everyone assumes this is Trayvon pleading for his life but there is no actual evidence to agree with this. An older man being beaten can scream like a young child aswell, also Trayvon is hardly a child at 17 you'd expect his voice to be deeper aswell.
- Zimmerman has seen Trayvon with "something in hand", although it's very flimsy evidence it could be argued he though he had a weapon in his hand/tucked into waist band.
- Did forensics find any injuries on Trayvon besides the gunshot to show that Zimmerman was holding him, in a struggle you'd expect to find bruises form even after death.

In my mind it all comes down to how the fight started:

- If Zimmerman was the agressor and knew he had a weapon on him while trying to stop Trayvon then there is a clear case for manslaughter/second degree murder, stand your ground law doesn't apply if you're the aggressor from what I've read up about it.
- If Trayvon did attack Zimmerman first (hate to say it but there is evidence to why he might and you have to be impartial) then Zimmermans injuries would indicate that he had grounds for self-defence.

Just trying to look at things as you would have to in a court of law, without bias. Regardless of what really happened I think Zimmerman was extremely foolish, assumed Trayvon was upto no good when he was just going to the shops and combined series of events lead to someone being shot who never needed to be.

On March 25 2012 05:42 visual77 wrote:


Do you just not consider Trayvon to be a person? If Zimmerman killed in self defense, a law was still broken. Whether it was by Trayvon or Zimmerman is beside the point for my statement.

On March 25 2012 05:44 Fyrewolf wrote:


According the family they were watching the NBA game, and he went during halftime to go to the 7-11. Assuming he was out there to commit crimes and sell drugs is ridiculous.

On March 25 2012 05:49 NotSorry wrote:


Oh the source I was looking at just had it as sometime before the NBA all star game, not during half time or anything, not giving an approximate time or anything. Do you have a link to a source with a statement about the time that he went out at?

On March 25 2012 05:31 Dzemoo wrote:
In my mind it all comes down to how the fight started:

- If Zimmerman was the agressor and knew he had a weapon on him while trying to stop Trayvon then there is a clear case for manslaughter/second degree murder, stand your ground law doesn't apply if you're the aggressor from what I've read up about it.
- If Trayvon did attack Zimmerman first (hate to say it but there is evidence to why he might and you have to be impartial) then Zimmermans injuries would indicate that he had grounds for self-defence.

On March 25 2012 05:55 Balrog.798 wrote:
Florida is among 21 U.S. states with a "Stand Your Ground Law," which gives people wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat during a fight.

Case Closed.

On March 25 2012 05:55 Balrog.798 wrote:
Florida is among 21 U.S. states with a "Stand Your Ground Law," which gives people wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat during a fight.

Case Closed.