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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 18:54:40
March 24 2012 18:52 GMT
#1521
This act from them now allows Zimmermann to be covered under self defense of 3rd party threats.


Example:
You accidentally killed Martin during an altercation. Martin's family and friends vowed to get revenge by killing you if they ever got you alone. As you were leaving a restaurant, Dave knocked you down, and began hitting and kicking you. the possibility that Dave was a friend of Bob's, you shot and wounded him.

Under these circumstances, you would be permitted to argue that you acted in self-defense based on the threats that you received from Martin's friends and family, as those threats...even if not personally threatened by Dave...establish why you acted reasonably when you shot him.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 24 2012 18:54 GMT
#1522
On March 25 2012 03:33 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:28 Defacer wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:11 Defacer wrote:
On March 25 2012 01:32 stokes17 wrote:


This case specifically- The police chief absolutely did not follow the law in not arresting zimmerman. A defense of justifiable homicide is only a defense at trial. It is the burden of the defendant to prove his actions were in self defense once he admits to committing the crime. At the time the police had a grown 250 lb man with a smoking gun standing over an unarmed dead 140lb boy- you have probable cause that this man committed a crime-- you arrest him. Could you imagine if the way the sanford police handled this case as standard operating procedure (enter mall shoot 10 people-- but officer it was in self defense-- o ok sweet dood have a good night)

What is the most disgusting part of this whole case is that the Martin family had to sue to get the 911 tapes released. This police department was actively trying to prevent the truth of Martin's death to come out. That is blatant obstruction of Justice. The Sanford police department has exhibited more criminal activity in this case than the poor dead little Martin.


If they treated Zimmerman like a criminal at the scene of the crime, rather than assuming he was a victim --- and they had every damn right too, considering the dead body they found -- they might actually have discovered what actually transpired.

Now all we can do is guess.

This is what bothers me the most about the case -- that the police gave Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt because he seemed white enough and Trayvon was black.

why do you assume that they treated zimmerman differently because he "seemed white?" this sounds like such bullshit. the guy doesn't even look white; he looks hispanic.


Shit dude, he looks reasonably white in the photo, but photos aren't perfect. Neither of us have seen the guy in real life. Let's not start an internet argument about whether or not a guy is white enough.



you shouldn't be so quick to accuse people of racism/prejudice. neither of us know the police officers involved.


I'm not saying that the police officers are (intentionally) racist.

I'm just saying that if Zimmerman looked less like Paul Blartt mall cop and more like Martin Lawrence the way they handled the situation might have been different.

It's hard for me not to wonder how racial stereotypes impacted this investigation. But you're right, I can't pretend to be fair and know what was going through the officers minds.

dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 24 2012 18:55 GMT
#1523
wow. news is pouring out today. a man was arrested for threatening to kill the police chief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/24/trayvon-martin-police-chief-bill-lee_n_1377116.html
Freddybear
Profile Joined December 2011
United States126 Posts
March 24 2012 18:55 GMT
#1524
On March 25 2012 03:49 phoenix`down wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324,0,1231157.story
Black Panthers offering $10,000 reward for capture of Zimmerman.


This will just lead to more violence and hatred; people really need to wait until the investigation finishes and all the facts are out before they decide that Zimmerman deserves punishment.


No, you just don't understand. There's a racial narrative here that must be pursued. Racism and gun control are much too important to let the truth interfere.

</sarcasm>
Older than the usual n00b
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 24 2012 18:57 GMT
#1525
photo of zimmerman where he doesnt look like a prison inmate:

[image loading]
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 24 2012 18:57 GMT
#1526
On March 25 2012 03:31 Freddybear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:29 Defacer wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:28 Freddybear wrote:
Walking down the street? Not exactly:

"A man who witnessed part of the altercation contacted authorities.

"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."


Is this the same witness that believed Traydon was yelling for help, but was inadvertently corrected by police?


Corrected to say that it was Zimmerman who was yelling "Help, help" and not Traydon Martin?


Yes.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 24 2012 18:59 GMT
#1527
On March 25 2012 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
photo of zimmerman where he doesnt look like a prison inmate:

[image loading]


Dude looks like my cousin. Which is weird, because I'm Chinese.


NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 24 2012 19:01 GMT
#1528
On March 25 2012 03:59 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
photo of zimmerman where he doesnt look like a prison inmate:

[image loading]


Dude looks like my cousin. Which is weird, because I'm Chinese.



He's Hispanic, once they get morbidly obesed they kind of look the same
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 24 2012 19:02 GMT
#1529
On March 25 2012 03:59 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
photo of zimmerman where he doesnt look like a prison inmate:

[image loading]


Dude looks like my cousin. Which is weird, because I'm Chinese.



actually, i can see that. lol. =)
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 24 2012 19:02 GMT
#1530
On March 25 2012 03:35 SpiffD wrote:
How can anyone in all seriousness defend Zimmerman?


The dude is an absolutely irresponsible, underqualified, slightly racist idiot with a gun. But there are plausible scenarios where he technically did not break the law. Unfortunately, no one can prove it either way.

Zimmerman might be defensible, but how the police handled the situation, and the Stand your Ground law, is looking really bad.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 19:03:06
March 24 2012 19:02 GMT
#1531
On March 25 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
wow. news is pouring out today. a man was arrested for threatening to kill the police chief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/24/trayvon-martin-police-chief-bill-lee_n_1377116.html


The media is getting their frenzy they lied so hard for
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
pluvos
Profile Joined June 2010
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 19:06:57
March 24 2012 19:03 GMT
#1532
can everyone PLEASE stop calling the New Black Panther Party as the "Black Panthers" ? the Black Panthers (aka the Black Panther Party) was basically a Socialist African-American organization fighting for the rights of poor and working class people. the "New Black Panther Party" is a bunch of retarded, racist black supremacists. its basically saying that the Socialist Party and the National Socialist Party is the same thing.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 24 2012 19:06 GMT
#1533
On March 25 2012 04:03 pluvos wrote:
can everyone PLEASE stop calling the New Black Panther Party as the "Black Panthers" ? the Black Panther Party was basically a Socialist African-American organization fighting for the rights of poor and working class people. the "New Black Panther Party" is a bunch of retarded, racist black supremacists. its basically saying that the Socialist Party and the National Socialist Party is the same thing.

that was my bad. i changed it in the second post. i will go back and correct the other posts.
Freddybear
Profile Joined December 2011
United States126 Posts
March 24 2012 19:08 GMT
#1534
On March 25 2012 04:02 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:35 SpiffD wrote:
How can anyone in all seriousness defend Zimmerman?


The dude is an absolutely irresponsible, underqualified, slightly racist idiot with a gun. But there are plausible scenarios where he technically did not break the law. Unfortunately, no one can prove it either way.

Zimmerman might be defensible, but how the police handled the situation, and the Stand your Ground law, is looking really bad.


"Stand your ground" has nothing to do with it. According to witnesses, Trayvon had Zimmerman down on the ground and was beating him up.
Older than the usual n00b
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 24 2012 19:10 GMT
#1535
On March 25 2012 04:08 Freddybear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 04:02 Defacer wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:35 SpiffD wrote:
How can anyone in all seriousness defend Zimmerman?


The dude is an absolutely irresponsible, underqualified, slightly racist idiot with a gun. But there are plausible scenarios where he technically did not break the law. Unfortunately, no one can prove it either way.

Zimmerman might be defensible, but how the police handled the situation, and the Stand your Ground law, is looking really bad.


"Stand your ground" has nothing to do with it. According to witnesses, Trayvon had Zimmerman down on the ground and was beating him up.

Which is covered by just about every self defense law in just about ever state.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
March 24 2012 19:10 GMT
#1536
On March 25 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
wow. news is pouring out today. a man was arrested for threatening to kill the police chief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/24/trayvon-martin-police-chief-bill-lee_n_1377116.html


When I started to read that article, I noticed immediately that it made no mention of the race of the man who made the threat against Lee. Then I continued to read and the entire article is devoid of any mention of anyone's race, whatsoever. Interesting, given the media has done nothing but point out the races involved, even as far as calling Zimmerman white, when he's not.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 24 2012 19:12 GMT
#1537
On March 25 2012 04:10 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
wow. news is pouring out today. a man was arrested for threatening to kill the police chief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/24/trayvon-martin-police-chief-bill-lee_n_1377116.html


When I started to read that article, I noticed immediately that it made no mention of the race of the man who made the threat against Lee. Then I continued to read and the entire article is devoid of any mention of anyone's race, whatsoever. Interesting, given the media has done nothing but point out the races involved, even as far as calling Zimmerman white, when he's not.

good. i dont want this to turn into a race war. fucking riots in LA. =(
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
March 24 2012 19:19 GMT
#1538
so, pretty much, seems like voluntary manslaughter. zimmerman should cut a deal and go for involuntary, take 5 or so years, get out in 2 or 3, done deal.

certain police should be fired, and possibly jailed, to top it off. IMO
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 24 2012 19:19 GMT
#1539
On March 25 2012 04:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 04:10 Kaitlin wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
wow. news is pouring out today. a man was arrested for threatening to kill the police chief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/24/trayvon-martin-police-chief-bill-lee_n_1377116.html


When I started to read that article, I noticed immediately that it made no mention of the race of the man who made the threat against Lee. Then I continued to read and the entire article is devoid of any mention of anyone's race, whatsoever. Interesting, given the media has done nothing but point out the races involved, even as far as calling Zimmerman white, when he's not.

good. i dont want this to turn into a race war. fucking riots in LA. =(


Don't let this fool you, they want this to be a race war, they just have picked their side and will do what they can to make them look like the good guys.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 24 2012 19:21 GMT
#1540
On March 25 2012 04:19 FallDownMarigold wrote:
so, pretty much, seems like voluntary manslaughter. zimmerman should cut a deal and go for involuntary, take 5 or so years, get out in 2 or 3, done deal.

certain police should be fired, and possibly jailed, to top it off. IMO


Except for what the evidence and eye witnesses currently depict is an example of self defense, not voluntary manslaughter.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
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