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quote from dragon :
"After I left SlayerS, I contemplated going back to work. I thought about it and realized..."
Dragon leaves slayers saying he wants to focus on work and just do sc2 as a hobby.
Dragon changes his mind. Jessica accuses him of being a liar. really I don't see any reason why she did this it really bothered me and I for one think she is out of line, leave the guy alone he doesn't need any more drama. She really has nothing to do with him anymore this is so unprofessional seriously. Seems like causing drama for the sake of drama.
Does anyone else think Jessica's reaction is unreasonable or am I alone on this?
Edit: THE scum of the earth thing was ment to be an exaggeration play on jessicas exaggeration of the situation. I am sorry i put it i sould have made it more clear it was an exaggeration i thought people would check the twitter statement. I AM SORRY!!!! Please dont focus on that i was merely trying to defend dragon here!!
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I don't thinnk unreasonable, I think we don't know the full story, thats why we really should not comment on it too much.
also I don't think this warrents a thread alone. there was already talk in the previous thread about dragon.
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On March 07 2012 16:17 MetalLobster wrote:
link to source?
her tweets, you might not be alone but I don't think we need a topic for this.. people was already discussing about it on the topic about Dragon joining milenium
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Yeah Jessica is known to be quite the psychotic matriach of the Slayers family. too bad there are these people who resort to publicly stating stuff. Whatever drama you have, keep it behind the curtains ladies.
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Ah, another jessica twitter thread.
This will certainly be entertaining.
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Even if we don't know the full story, it wouldn't be the first time she's been WAY too dramatic
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On March 07 2012 16:18 0kz wrote:her tweets, you might not be alone but I don't think we need a topic for this.. people was already discussing about it on the topic about Dragon joining milenium
I made this thread directed towards Jessica not Dragon joining Mill
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Ah I was google translating some of this earlier. I thought she was talking about x6Sleep but didn't know it was Dragon. Ic makes more sense :D
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Dragon likely did it for the money - but we can never really know.
Korean culture clashes with American culture there - we don't think leaving a team for more money is a bad thing in most cases. But in Korea its much more like a family, and turning your back on them for money, and especially lying about it to your team, is extra BM.
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Someone on reddit translated the Korean and it offers a little bit more insight.
Korean tweets provide more context. Seems like she's just disappointed with him about lying, which coupled with the other Twitter/Facebook guy that lied to SlayerS has got her all depressed.
SlayerS_Jessica
After leaving the team saying that he was going to play SC2 as a hobby... He goes to a new team... We've never stopped anyone from joining another team. Other players told us their intentions honestly before changing teams... Compared to them this is a bit disappointing yeah? Lying isn't very good. We wouldn't have stopped you from leaving... Being lied to doesn't feel good... Don't be like that anywhere else okay? Don't talk about being a former SlayerS player either.. I'm embarrassed that a liar like you was in our team. The more time passes, the more people are disappointing me..Is this why they say it doesn't matter to raise people? Why am I even doing this?
To be honest, even when he was leaving the team he just put it on his twitter and that's when we knew that he had left the team. He left the team without a word and when I asked him the reason he said that he wanted to play as a hobby and return to work...
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She said on her twitter" @SlayerS_Jessica 답글 리트윗 관심글 담기 · 열기
사실 팀탈퇴도 본인이 자기트윗에 떡하니 올려서 탈퇴햇다고 해서 나도 그때서야알았다는거지. 말도없이 탈퇴하고 이유를 물으니 취미로 하고 직장복귀한다길래 그러라 했더니.. "
this means Dragon suddenly tweeted He will leave slayers and Jessica saw Dragon's tweet that he leaves by seeing the tweet.. Jessica asked Dragon why he wants leave without telling her anything and then Dragon said he wants to play SC2 for his hobby and go back to his work. So Jessica could accept.
I feel Jessica's reaction is understandable as it seems Dragon did not discuss enough with the entire Slayers team before he left and then suddenly joined another team.
Edit : and where did you get that " scum of the earth " thing
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On March 07 2012 16:16 EatsDirt wrote:
Dragon changes his mind. Jessica accuses him of being the scum of the earth.
Really? Where did you see this information? Unless you can prove that one of her korean tweets claims he is scum of the earth I suggest you take that part out of your OP. Extremely juvenile and sensationalistic to claim that she has called him "scum of the earth" when all she said was he is a liar.
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"scum of the earth" where that come from?
she is just disappointed and tweeted her frustration, misjudged or not(only speculations from us)....move on?
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you seem to take her response entirely out of context. no where did she ever state that dragon was "scum of the earth", she just said that she feels like she had been lied to and felt disappointed at him, it wasn't as if she accused him with inflammatory language or anything.
if someone did the same thing to you, won't you feel at the very least a little cheated and disappointed? you really should change the OP to be less biased if you want to be taken seriously.
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On March 07 2012 16:22 Deezl wrote:
Korean culture clashes with American culture there - we don't think leaving a team for more money is a bad thing in most cases. But in Korea its much more like a family, and turning your back on them for money, and especially lying about it to your team, is extra BM.
This.
I can't say I disagree with Jessica being unhappy about Dragon joining Mill, but to be fair to Dragon and Mill as well, there was no reason for Jessica to go public with that comment. I understand it's her Twitter and it's her prerogative as to what she can post on her Twitter, but sometimes, I think she needs to reel in on that emotional kind of outburst(?) and take it in her stride that something has happened and try to find a more PR way to address it. I guess it's her passion for her team and the 'motherly' kind of instincts she has when she manages SlayerS which causes her to react really strongly when something like this happens.
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Ahh, you have to take into acount that the tweet is in English. Who knows ? Maybe google-translate fucked-up ? Not sure if her English is good enugh to make a tweet this size  . Just sayin, I dont think she did this on purpose, even if she wrote this in English she might have meant something less dramatic.~.~ Y so much hate.
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biased topic creator is biased. "scum of the earth", the fuck?
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Please change the OP b/c it's obviously very bias w/ the "scum of the earth" part
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Dunno full story, but what I do know is that Jessica has a history of being an overreactive drama queen.
I don't know about everyone else, but my image of her as the godmother of slayers or w/e drifted away a long time ago. Being Boxer's woman can only save you for so long. To put it as kindly as possible, I'm tired of her.
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On March 07 2012 16:16 EatsDirt wrote:
Seems like causing drama for the sake of drama.
Read what you wrote and think about it...
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On March 07 2012 16:22 Deezl wrote:
Dragon likely did it for the money - but we can never really know.
Korean culture clashes with American culture there - we don't think leaving a team for more money is a bad thing in most cases. But in Korea its much more like a family, and turning your back on them for money, and especially lying about it to your team, is extra BM.
I don't think Dragon lied, he probably just found joy in competing again and signed to another team. It may have been too awkward to go back to SlayerS and I'm sure Mill offered him something very nice.
I'd say just leaving your team through a tweet is a bit unprofessional, but was he even living in the team house?
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Last time i checked- jessica is a drama queen, it is none of her business what dragon does with his life after leaving slayers.
nothing new with her reaction honestly- if anything, its annoying.
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Now SlayerS Jessica is unprofessional...
SlayerS Disgrace Jessica pg 1-425
KILL JESSICA JESSICA UNPROFESSIONAL CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES
djWheat Disgrace pg 1-947
DJ WHEAT GOT MAD AT A CALLER UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT WATCH GRUMPY OLD MAN!
NASL Disgrace Gretorp pg 1-6000
Gretorp make racist joke! He said it's ok because he's asian but SO AM I and I DON'T LIKE IT! HE MADE ME MAKE FROWNY FACE AT HIM! FIREEEEE GRETORP DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL WILL NOT WATCH!
Playhem Disgrace Katu!!!! pg 1-5000
KATU BIG DISGRACE! CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES AND LIE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHEATING WILL NOT WATCH PLAYHEM! FIRE KATU!
Tomorrow:
Quantic Disgrace Naniwa!!! pg 1-9000
NANIWA DID NOT SIGN MY AUTOGRAPH I WAITED IN THE RAIN FOR 4 MINUTES HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ME! DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT SUPPORT OUT OF LINE FIRE HIM!
I for one am just sick of all these stupid headlines. Stop calling everybody unprofessional. Unless someone uses racist/sexist slurs (see: Nbomb or pulls a rush limbaugh) or slanders somebody (you guys KIND OF had a case against Katu) then just leave it be. Stop cluttering the forums with these stupid witch hunts.
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Impossible to know if he really changed his mind about wanting to play more as a hobby or if he had planned on joining a foreigner team all along so I don't see the point in getting mad at him.
Seems like it would be better for Dragon being something special on a foreigner team rather than bottom of the ladder on a pro Korean team. Not sure how true that is though.
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Jessica is a PR nightmare :D
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dunno looks like she really wanted dragon on the team and then he left because he allegedly wanted to work but then he decided he didn't want to work and now jessica feels like she's been lied to
i have no idea really, i try to ignore this drama because no one really knows the true story here. just a bunch of nerdy people sitting speculating over a couple of tweets. this could just as easily be jessica disappointed that dragon, from her point of view, lied to her. i don't think people lie a lot in korea or something like that, i'm not an expert on korean culture by any means.
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On March 07 2012 16:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Dunno full story, but what I do know is that Jessica has a history of being an overreactive drama queen.
I don't know about everyone else, but my image of her as the godmother of slayers or w/e drifted away a long time ago. Being Boxer's woman can only save you for so long. To put it as kindly as possible, I'm tired of her.
If you read the full story you woudl realise that the OP is infact slandering her and she said nothing else than she is dissapointed in how he left the team and that she thinks he is a liar (which he may or may not be depending on if he had decided to join Mill before joining).
The fact that he annonced on twitter that he was quitting before he even talked to anyone in his team makes me think she's justified to call him a liar.
Regardless of what SlayerS'Jessica have said in the past this is not something she deserves to be looked down upon about. I respect someone more for this kind of tweet than someone who bites their tounge and pretends everything is fine when a player acts irresponsibly.
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Scum of the earth? I didn't see that anywhere. Sounds like she's just disappointed in him for lying. Should she have kept this private? Maybe. But I can understand where she's coming from. Whether Dragon lied or whether he changed his mind, to her it's going to seem as if he left for more money without being honest about it.
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On March 07 2012 16:32 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:16 EatsDirt wrote:
Seems like causing drama for the sake of drama.
Read what you wrote and think about it...
Yes i see the irony i was just trying to defend dragon i feel bad for the guy trying to start new and having to deal with this
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Talk about going out of your way to find some drama.
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On March 07 2012 16:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Dunno full story, but what I do know is that Jessica has a history of being an overreactive drama queen.
I don't know about everyone else, but my image of her as the godmother of slayers or w/e drifted away a long time ago. Being Boxer's woman can only save you for so long. To put it as kindly as possible, I'm tired of her.
Hey look, your arrogance and presumptiveness are leaking through.
Read past the OP for a second. He opened with a poorly translated tweet and a sensationalist title.
Now read what Jessica actually wrote. Its ENTIRELY reasonable.
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I don't see her call him the scum of the earth. Provide the proof for that please. If you are just pulling that out of your ass, then you are legitimately a bad person and a hypocrite, because if that is the case you are trying to ruin someone else's image over something you know you didn't actually read, and you are also talking about not creating more drama, while doing just that.
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Irony.
You accuse Jessica of being melodramatic, but you're the one twisting her words. She never called him the scum of the earth nor said anything remotely close to it. And it has everything to do with her. How can you say she has nothing to do with him anymore? He left her clan and was extremely shady about it.
Seems like you're causing drama for the sake of drama/
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On March 07 2012 16:34 GatorGar wrote:
Now SlayerS Jessica is unprofessional...
SlayerS Disgrace Jessica pg 1-425
KILL JESSICA JESSICA UNPROFESSIONAL CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES
djWheat Disgrace pg 1-947
DJ WHEAT GOT MAD AT A CALLER UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT WATCH GRUMPY OLD MAN!
NASL Disgrace Gretorp pg 1-6000
Gretorp make racist joke! He said it's ok because he's asian but SO AM I and I DON'T LIKE IT! HE MADE ME MAKE FROWNY FACE AT HIM! FIREEEEE GRETORP DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL WILL NOT WATCH!
Playhem Disgrace Katu!!!! pg 1-5000
KATU BIG DISGRACE! CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES AND LIE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHEATING WILL NOT WATCH PLAYHEM! FIRE KATU!
Tomorrow:
Quantic Disgrace Naniwa!!! pg 1-9000
NANIWA DID NOT SIGN MY AUTOGRAPH I WAITED IN THE RAIN FOR 4 MINUTES HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ME! DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT SUPPORT OUT OF LINE FIRE HIM!
I for one am just sick of all these stupid headlines. Stop calling everybody unprofessional. Unless someone uses racist/sexist slurs (see: Nbomb or pulls a rush limbaugh) or slanders somebody (you guys KIND OF had a case against Katu) then just leave it be. Stop cluttering the forums with these stupid witch hunts.
This made me laugh a bit. It seems that sensationalist titles are the main course for the day (and just about any other day in fact)
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Could it be possible that Dragon was planning to go back to work after leaving SlayerS, but teams saw his twitter mentioning him leaving SlayerS then jumped at him with offers? Does this seem likely to anyone else? When you can play a game and make the same money as a job it's very unlikely that you will go and do that job instead of gaming.
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What i could imaging happend was that dragon was released from his contract on good terms without some sort of contract-breaching fee. Slayers agreed to this because they are friendly/didn't want to take legal actions etc. pp or whatever reason. Now Dragon joins another team (prob. gets a salary) ... Team Slayers is pissed ... DRAMA DRAMa DRAma DRama Drama drama
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On March 07 2012 16:41 [RS]Fuchs wrote:
What i could imaging happend was that dragon was released from his contract on good terms without some sort of contract-breaching fee. Slayers agreed to this because they are friendly/didn't want to take legal actions etc. pp or whatever reason. Now Dragon joins another team (prob. gets a salary) ... Team Slayers is pissed ... DRAMA DRAMa DRAma DRama Drama drama
Actually:
Dragon was in the SlayerS Clan.
Announced via Twitter his leave without consulting the team.
Told Jessica he quit to play as hobby
Joined another team.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2012 16:34 GatorGar wrote:
Now SlayerS Jessica is unprofessional...
SlayerS Disgrace Jessica pg 1-425
KILL JESSICA JESSICA UNPROFESSIONAL CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES
djWheat Disgrace pg 1-947
DJ WHEAT GOT MAD AT A CALLER UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT WATCH GRUMPY OLD MAN!
NASL Disgrace Gretorp pg 1-6000
Gretorp make racist joke! He said it's ok because he's asian but SO AM I and I DON'T LIKE IT! HE MADE ME MAKE FROWNY FACE AT HIM! FIREEEEE GRETORP DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL WILL NOT WATCH!
Playhem Disgrace Katu!!!! pg 1-5000
KATU BIG DISGRACE! CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES AND LIE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHEATING WILL NOT WATCH PLAYHEM! FIRE KATU!
Tomorrow:
Quantic Disgrace Naniwa!!! pg 1-9000
NANIWA DID NOT SIGN MY AUTOGRAPH I WAITED IN THE RAIN FOR 4 MINUTES HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ME! DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT SUPPORT OUT OF LINE FIRE HIM!
I for one am just sick of all these stupid headlines. Stop calling everybody unprofessional. Unless someone uses racist/sexist slurs (see: Nbomb or pulls a rush limbaugh) or slanders somebody (you guys KIND OF had a case against Katu) then just leave it be. Stop cluttering the forums with these stupid witch hunts.
Agreed. Christ I don't even have to open Reddit anymore these days.
And we've been over this a thousand times. You don't have to follow Jessica. She cares/is emotional about her team. Dragon DID say he was going to focus on other things.
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yes I agree it was an over reaction, or at least that is what I felt when I read it before seeing this thread. I thought, "woah she think she owns him!?"
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On March 07 2012 16:19 hyperknight wrote:
Yeah Jessica is known to be quite the psychotic matriach of the Slayers family. too bad there are these people who resort to publicly stating stuff. Whatever drama you have, keep it behind the curtains ladies.
wow...calling her psychotic? dude we dont know the whole story. what we do know is that she is like a big sister to each and every one of these players. she never got mad when golden left, but something obviously happened between her and dragon when dragon departed. these kids are like family to her...no wonder it upsets her when a player who quit slayers based upon the fact that he was not going to join a team but play sc2 as a hobby, now has another team.
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Don't worry about it.
DRG ran away from Jessica, too.
He's fine.
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Has anyone considered that Jessica made a tweet, expressing how she felt, which seems fairly reasonable to me, and it is everyone else turning it into drama?
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On March 07 2012 16:43 schimmetje wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2012 16:34 GatorGar wrote:
Now SlayerS Jessica is unprofessional...
SlayerS Disgrace Jessica pg 1-425
KILL JESSICA JESSICA UNPROFESSIONAL CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES
djWheat Disgrace pg 1-947
DJ WHEAT GOT MAD AT A CALLER UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT WATCH GRUMPY OLD MAN!
NASL Disgrace Gretorp pg 1-6000
Gretorp make racist joke! He said it's ok because he's asian but SO AM I and I DON'T LIKE IT! HE MADE ME MAKE FROWNY FACE AT HIM! FIREEEEE GRETORP DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL WILL NOT WATCH!
Playhem Disgrace Katu!!!! pg 1-5000
KATU BIG DISGRACE! CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES AND LIE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHEATING WILL NOT WATCH PLAYHEM! FIRE KATU!
Tomorrow:
Quantic Disgrace Naniwa!!! pg 1-9000
NANIWA DID NOT SIGN MY AUTOGRAPH I WAITED IN THE RAIN FOR 4 MINUTES HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ME! DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT SUPPORT OUT OF LINE FIRE HIM!
I for one am just sick of all these stupid headlines. Stop calling everybody unprofessional. Unless someone uses racist/sexist slurs (see: Nbomb or pulls a rush limbaugh) or slanders somebody (you guys KIND OF had a case against Katu) then just leave it be. Stop cluttering the forums with these stupid witch hunts. Agreed. Christ I don't even have to open Reddit anymore these days. And we've been over this a thousand times. You don't have to follow Jessica. She cares/is emotional about her team. Dragon DID say he was going to focus on other things.
Isn't it entirely possible that Dragon was intending to play sc2 casually? (If you watch his stream it doesn't seem like he's preparing for a GSL or anything) And while he was playing casually, Millenium made an offer? Jessica is making a logical leap that Dragon left SlayerS to join a foreign team which doesn't seem accurate.
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Jessica just doesn't get it. She really needs to take a page out of Sundance's book.
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On March 07 2012 16:34 GatorGar wrote:
Now SlayerS Jessica is unprofessional...
SlayerS Disgrace Jessica pg 1-425
KILL JESSICA JESSICA UNPROFESSIONAL CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES
djWheat Disgrace pg 1-947
DJ WHEAT GOT MAD AT A CALLER UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT WATCH GRUMPY OLD MAN!
NASL Disgrace Gretorp pg 1-6000
Gretorp make racist joke! He said it's ok because he's asian but SO AM I and I DON'T LIKE IT! HE MADE ME MAKE FROWNY FACE AT HIM! FIREEEEE GRETORP DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL WILL NOT WATCH!
Playhem Disgrace Katu!!!! pg 1-5000
KATU BIG DISGRACE! CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES AND LIE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHEATING WILL NOT WATCH PLAYHEM! FIRE KATU!
Tomorrow:
Quantic Disgrace Naniwa!!! pg 1-9000
NANIWA DID NOT SIGN MY AUTOGRAPH I WAITED IN THE RAIN FOR 4 MINUTES HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ME! DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT SUPPORT OUT OF LINE FIRE HIM!
I for one am just sick of all these stupid headlines. Stop calling everybody unprofessional. Unless someone uses racist/sexist slurs (see: Nbomb or pulls a rush limbaugh) or slanders somebody (you guys KIND OF had a case against Katu) then just leave it be. Stop cluttering the forums with these stupid witch hunts.
In all honesty, most of the so-called drama (if not all of it) originates from people in the scene that get a lot of exposure saying irresponsible and/or inflammatory things that they probably should have kept to themselves in the first place.
It's not something that magically appears on the evil internet forums just because people want to be evil and hate on someone.
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That point.. Don't do that wherever u are.
PLZ do ur best in Ur Team.
Dont deceive Ur Boss, fans and ur mind.
trolls... Do u think that u can help him with swear word to me?
New tweet from Jessica.
https://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica
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Another SlayerS Jessica thread. Other SC2 community figures have made brutally frank outbursts too yet only Jessica gets threads like these trying to put her in her place. It's the old stereotype of the overbearing and irrational Yoko Ono type woman again. Don't forget that English is not her first language and the nuances of what she's trying to say likely doesn't come off the way she intended to. At any rate unless you are suggesting that Jessica is lying, then no I wouldn't say she's overreacting. If Dragon did indeed tell SlayerS he was leaving to focus on work yet barely a month and a half later is playing for a new team, then it is within reason to say his departure was deceptive. The sad/funny part of all this is that you yourself are doing the very thing you accuse Jessica of doing.
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If you guys don't know about asian's culture and they way she put things into perspective, shut the fuck up and stop commenting her for being overreacted.
What Jessica said is true. When Slayers wanted to keep Dragon as a member, Dragon gave excuses and lied to Jessica about his committment to work and can't focus on SC2 and will only take SC2 as a hobby.
Infact, look at it. If you're focus on work, you shouldn't be streaming 24/7 instead. He just wanted to leave Slayers and join other team.
What a scum.
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She's upset about someone lying to her to avoid a hard conversation. Would you be upset if your girlfriend said she was leaving you becuase she wanted to focus on her career or w/e and then you she starts going out with your friend a week later? It's the same deal. She was upset, and it's perfectly understandable and acceptable.
I think you're the one causing drama, people are people, man, and people have feelings. We're not all robots with no emotion, she didn't do anything wrong.
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"I was exaggerating to make a point" whenever people do this I smh -_-
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On March 07 2012 16:16 EatsDirt wrote:
Edit no she didnt call him scum of the earth I was exaggerating to make a point the link to tweet is right there for full context. It has been changed
how can u expect to be taken seriously if you "exaggerate" (more like lying) to make a point?
You do know Jessica can sue you for defamation right? Especially so as Korean internet laws take these things seriously.
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Dont stick your dick in crazy boys
Just kidding, shes a nice lady. And i think korean women are all like that. Their culture is way different from ours. Ours being americans. I could be wrong.
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I guess the Korean tweets provide more context, and to me at least, puts me on her side. Seem that you should talk to your team about your intentions to quit before you announce it to the world.
English is her second language. I speak cantonese, and have been since I was born. However, ever so often, I don't know how to say a phrase in Cantonese, and have to directly translate it from English to Cantonese (word for word) which sometimes comes out wrong. Maybe this is the case here.
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I think the topic is exaggerating.
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people can change their minds you know, calling him scum and a liar is going way to far. Give the guy a break he just changed his mind
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Another American's whining about Jessica being drama queen.
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dragon didnt play any tourn or nething for a very long time slayers is no a nazi regime... very silly to blast a player specially some1 so popular as dragon is
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she's known to overreact to things lol
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Lets make a thread about everybodys tweets when they don't like something and lets bring huge attention to it. Who cares? She is entitled to her own opinions. Sure, it sucks. But lets not blow this out of proportion. Because technically we are only feeding the nature of the beast here...
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On March 07 2012 16:51 DT-Toss wrote:
If you guys don't know about asian's culture and they way she put things into perspective, shut the fuck up and stop commenting her for being overreacted.
What Jessica said is true. When Slayers wanted to keep Dragon as a member, Dragon gave excuses and lied to Jessica about his committment to work and can't focus on SC2 and will only take SC2 as a hobby.
Infact, look at it. If you're focus on work, you shouldn't be streaming 24/7 instead. He just wanted to leave Slayers and join other team.
What a scum.
Whether what she is saying is true or not is irrelevant, the fact that the general manager of slayers is publicly bashing a former player is simply unacceptable behavior. I don't know a lot about Korean culture but I seriously doubt this is conduct becoming of someone like Jessica.
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On March 07 2012 16:50 Kerwin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:43 schimmetje wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2012 16:34 GatorGar wrote:
Now SlayerS Jessica is unprofessional...
SlayerS Disgrace Jessica pg 1-425
KILL JESSICA JESSICA UNPROFESSIONAL CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES
djWheat Disgrace pg 1-947
DJ WHEAT GOT MAD AT A CALLER UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT WATCH GRUMPY OLD MAN!
NASL Disgrace Gretorp pg 1-6000
Gretorp make racist joke! He said it's ok because he's asian but SO AM I and I DON'T LIKE IT! HE MADE ME MAKE FROWNY FACE AT HIM! FIREEEEE GRETORP DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL WILL NOT WATCH!
Playhem Disgrace Katu!!!! pg 1-5000
KATU BIG DISGRACE! CALL DRAGON BAD NAMES AND LIE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHEATING WILL NOT WATCH PLAYHEM! FIRE KATU!
Tomorrow:
Quantic Disgrace Naniwa!!! pg 1-9000
NANIWA DID NOT SIGN MY AUTOGRAPH I WAITED IN THE RAIN FOR 4 MINUTES HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ME! DISGRACE UNPROFESSIONAL NEVER LIKED HIM WILL NOT SUPPORT OUT OF LINE FIRE HIM!
I for one am just sick of all these stupid headlines. Stop calling everybody unprofessional. Unless someone uses racist/sexist slurs (see: Nbomb or pulls a rush limbaugh) or slanders somebody (you guys KIND OF had a case against Katu) then just leave it be. Stop cluttering the forums with these stupid witch hunts. Agreed. Christ I don't even have to open Reddit anymore these days. And we've been over this a thousand times. You don't have to follow Jessica. She cares/is emotional about her team. Dragon DID say he was going to focus on other things. Isn't it entirely possible that Dragon was intending to play sc2 casually? (If you watch his stream it doesn't seem like he's preparing for a GSL or anything) And while he was playing casually, Millenium made an offer? Jessica is making a logical leap that Dragon left SlayerS to join a foreign team which doesn't seem accurate.
But the thing is, we don't know this. But we're still going to shit all over her right? But we like him because he's so funny smurfing. And, you know, for the dramaz.
Edit: Oh god there's already 2 threads about this. I'm going back to slee.. work.
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I think some people are misreading the situation and how jessica feels, i dont think that shes pissed off at him/ hates him its just that she took care of him (she takes care of everyone in the team) and was like a mother figure to the team, she even help chose his starcraft ID, i mean to let someone help u on that is pretty big if your a progamer it sticks with u forever (....even some do change, but look at the top names, mma doesnt count) so its fair that shes DISAPPOINTED (not filled with hate) and that she thought after so long and such connection to the team HIS team(former) that he would have told them about it or at least her,(like a mother) if he wanted it to be a secret, and she probaby would have talked to him about it and if he was really seriouly no doubt she would have supported him.
Shes only disappointed becasue she cared
(ofc it COULD be a possibilty that dragon did leave for work/hobby then switched b to sc2 casue he refound the love for the game, but why wouldnt he go b to slayers with people he knew, with people who cared for me and one of the best and well know teams in the world they would have glady accepted him b
Dont turn this into a hate fest on jessica, i would much rather TL be like the way we were when boxer and jessica were getting together some koreans fans were hating and her and such but TL was cool making the boxer bunker jokes (lol) and giving their support to their emperor. We probaby shouldnt be giving support to her tweet but we shouldnt be hating on her.
On a last note, i know this might vary to culture, think of it as a mother who is watching her child leave to live out on his/her own for the first time, the child that she cared for all those years wouldnt u be disappointed if they lied to u on the way out
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As far as i know dragon had a change of heart when he realized that he actually would like to play sc2 professionally after leaving slayers. so he searched for a team. I don't really even know how much dragon was involved with slayers. He seemed like an independant entity to me. He participated in ONE team league for slayers? and he never stayed in the house right? seems like a gigantic overreaction. o_o
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Kinda tired of all these tweets from Jessica. Is she bored or what?
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Imagine your kid saying his going to stop smoking, then a few months later you find out that his smoking again. If I were in Jessica's shoes, I'd feel the exact same way.. but be a little less vocal about it, but it comes with the culture.
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On March 07 2012 16:57 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:51 DT-Toss wrote:
If you guys don't know about asian's culture and they way she put things into perspective, shut the fuck up and stop commenting her for being overreacted.
What Jessica said is true. When Slayers wanted to keep Dragon as a member, Dragon gave excuses and lied to Jessica about his committment to work and can't focus on SC2 and will only take SC2 as a hobby.
Infact, look at it. If you're focus on work, you shouldn't be streaming 24/7 instead. He just wanted to leave Slayers and join other team.
What a scum. Whether what she is saying is true or not is irrelevant, the fact that the general manager of slayers is publicly bashing a former player is simply unacceptable behavior. I don't know a lot about Korean culture but I seriously doubt this is conduct becoming of someone like Jessica.
Sorry but in Korean customs and culture, seniority (Jessica as big sister) is a pillar of Korea's Confucianist traditions. So lying to your senior is a no-no. In this case, dragon lied about his departure and Jessica accepted because dragon was committed to "work" and not programming as a career but turned out to be bulls.
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It should be well known by now that Jessica tends to overreact to matters. I don't think this should come as to a surprise to anyone by now.
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Feels like she's speaking from a "mother's" perspective, rather than slayers manager.
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On March 07 2012 17:02 ceaRshaf wrote:
Kinda tired of all these tweets from Jessica. Is she bored or what?
maybe she has her period
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can any post a real translation of what voilet said, casue google translator made NO sense
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Can we stop having threads on people's tweets? It's really pointless (what discussion can you have?) and achieves nothing (what can you gain from this?).
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On March 07 2012 17:03 Meteora.GB wrote:
It should be well known by now that Jessica tends to overreact to matters. I don't think this should come as to a surprise to anyone by now.
Learn how to read the whole drama before commenting on her being overracting instead of basing on her past tweets.
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On March 07 2012 17:01 Corrosive wrote:
As far as i know dragon had a change of heart when he realized that he actually would like to play sc2 professionally after leaving slayers. so he searched for a team. I don't really even know how much dragon was involved with slayers. He seemed like an independant entity to me. He participated in ONE team league for slayers? and he never stayed in the house right? seems like a gigantic overreaction. o_o
based on these two tweets I really doubt he just changed his mind... just look at the dates.
dragon can do what he wants, but there is probably truth to what jessica is saying.
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dragon is a liar and is acting as a kid.no respect for him sadly.He left slayers because he couldnt keep up with the practice regime of other slayers members and because streaming is profitable he can afford to lift cc-s and mass ravens versus golden opponents.and looking back,Dragon's every step is a mistake.
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On March 07 2012 17:03 DT-Toss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:57 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On March 07 2012 16:51 DT-Toss wrote:
If you guys don't know about asian's culture and they way she put things into perspective, shut the fuck up and stop commenting her for being overreacted.
What Jessica said is true. When Slayers wanted to keep Dragon as a member, Dragon gave excuses and lied to Jessica about his committment to work and can't focus on SC2 and will only take SC2 as a hobby.
Infact, look at it. If you're focus on work, you shouldn't be streaming 24/7 instead. He just wanted to leave Slayers and join other team.
What a scum. Whether what she is saying is true or not is irrelevant, the fact that the general manager of slayers is publicly bashing a former player is simply unacceptable behavior. I don't know a lot about Korean culture but I seriously doubt this is conduct becoming of someone like Jessica. Sorry but in Korean customs and culture, seniority (Jessica as big sister) is a pillar of Korea's Confucianist traditions. So lying to your senior is a no-no. In this case, dragon lied about his departure and Jessica accepted because dragon was committed to "work" and not programming as a career but turned out to be bulls.
And what does this have to do with publicly bashing someone? Are you suggesting that because Dragon lied to an elder that this warrants Jessica to publicly shame Dragon? I seriously doubt this is Korean custom.
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Jessica should calm down.
Dragon's not worth raging over. I really don't think he takes the game as seriously as he should and the biggest risk-bearer in this whole signing is Millenium. It's quite clear that they've only signed him due to his popularity.
He's spent so many months in SlayerS and trolling bronze-leaguers on NA and yet his biggest achievement to date is just his GSL Open Season qualification (prior to him joining SlayerS mind you).
Why bother raging when you have a player who's heart and mind isn't where SlayerS's culture is?
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kneejerk overreaction by one of the biggest drama queens of esports, what's new?
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On March 07 2012 17:07 KawaiiRice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:01 Corrosive wrote:
As far as i know dragon had a change of heart when he realized that he actually would like to play sc2 professionally after leaving slayers. so he searched for a team. I don't really even know how much dragon was involved with slayers. He seemed like an independant entity to me. He participated in ONE team league for slayers? and he never stayed in the house right? seems like a gigantic overreaction. o_o https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872https://twitter.com/#!/SC2dragon/status/170289165613793282based on these two tweets I really doubt he just changed his mind... just look at the dates. dragon can do what he wants, but there is probably truth to what jessica is saying.
Fucking true.
1st) He left Slayers with a T_T
2nd) He searching for Team after a month
Big fat lier.
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cant they like PM to each other or join private conversation, why everything needs to be so blown out, seriously, Jessica learn something about PR
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On March 07 2012 17:09 pdd wrote:
Jessica should calm down.
Dragon's not worth raging over. I really don't think he takes the game as seriously as he should and the biggest risk-bearer in this whole signing is Millenium. It's quite clear that they've only signed him due to his popularity.
He's spent so many months in SlayerS and trolling bronze-leaguers on NA and yet his biggest achievement to date is just his GSL Open Season qualification.
Why bother raging when you have a player who's heart and mind isn't where SlayerS's culture is?
Doesnt take games seriously? he got into slayers its not something u can do without trying really really hard and its a big committment to start progaming, u drop studies u drop work to do this, u cant just decide to be a progamer get into slayers and be like "oh....i guess i wanna work now and drop sc2 progaming" i bet there are hundreds of gamers that are busting their balls out to get on a team like slayers
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On March 07 2012 17:10 DT-Toss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:07 KawaiiRice wrote:On March 07 2012 17:01 Corrosive wrote:
As far as i know dragon had a change of heart when he realized that he actually would like to play sc2 professionally after leaving slayers. so he searched for a team. I don't really even know how much dragon was involved with slayers. He seemed like an independant entity to me. He participated in ONE team league for slayers? and he never stayed in the house right? seems like a gigantic overreaction. o_o https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872https://twitter.com/#!/SC2dragon/status/170289165613793282based on these two tweets I really doubt he just changed his mind... just look at the dates. dragon can do what he wants, but there is probably truth to what jessica is saying. Fucking true. 1st) He left Slayers with a T_T 2nd) He searching for Team after a month Big fat lier.
You made acc just to comment in this thread ? Good job sir.
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The only people overreacting are those in this thread tossing around baseless and wild accusation one way or another.
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From what little i know about koreans they do take lying and especially betraying the trust of seniors as something very insulting. I don't think it's Jessica, more like the clash of western vs eastern world views.
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Jessica is right, you dont lie to people who helped you and took you in their team after you were cheating and in return you do this? but I guess if screwing over your friends IRL like this for you is "lol wuteva" then its ok I guess.
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On March 07 2012 17:12 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:09 pdd wrote:
Jessica should calm down.
Dragon's not worth raging over. I really don't think he takes the game as seriously as he should and the biggest risk-bearer in this whole signing is Millenium. It's quite clear that they've only signed him due to his popularity.
He's spent so many months in SlayerS and trolling bronze-leaguers on NA and yet his biggest achievement to date is just his GSL Open Season qualification.
Why bother raging when you have a player who's heart and mind isn't where SlayerS's culture is? Doesnt take games seriously? he got into slayers its not something u can do without trying really really hard and its a big committment to start progaming, u drop studies u drop work to do this, u cant just decide to be a progamer get into slayers and be like "oh....i guess i wanna work now and drop sc2 progaming" i bet there are hundreds of gamers that are busting their balls out to get on a team like slayers
How fucking true.
In korea, progamming is a career and it's not a joke. There were thousands trying so hard to get into one of the best team "Slayers". It's not like you joined and leave like your own fucking wills.
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On March 07 2012 17:13 vanhio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:10 DT-Toss wrote:On March 07 2012 17:07 KawaiiRice wrote:On March 07 2012 17:01 Corrosive wrote:
As far as i know dragon had a change of heart when he realized that he actually would like to play sc2 professionally after leaving slayers. so he searched for a team. I don't really even know how much dragon was involved with slayers. He seemed like an independant entity to me. He participated in ONE team league for slayers? and he never stayed in the house right? seems like a gigantic overreaction. o_o https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872https://twitter.com/#!/SC2dragon/status/170289165613793282based on these two tweets I really doubt he just changed his mind... just look at the dates. dragon can do what he wants, but there is probably truth to what jessica is saying. Fucking true. 1st) He left Slayers with a T_T 2nd) He searching for Team after a month Big fat lier. You made acc just to comment in this thread ? Good job sir.
What's wrong? You got a problem?
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I dont think we have the full story. These teams put a lot of effort into helping their players, so obviously there will be disappointment if one leaves, and somewhat an element of loss.
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How can you guys possibly vilify Jessica for protecting the best interests of her players/team?
I'm actually ashamed on behalf of the dense idiots telling Jessica to 'quiet down'. If she feels she got lied to and betrayed (which she did) why can't she say something to vent her feelings? Maybe some of you accusers should take a second to understand the difference (in cultural context) a man's words can make.. I think it's very different to the one you experience inside your cocoon-like gaming pad.
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On March 07 2012 17:15 Nekovivie wrote:
I dont think we have the full story. These teams put a lot of effort into helping their players, so obviously there will be disappointment if one leaves, and somewhat an element of loss.
element of betrayal*
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On March 07 2012 17:19 JiYan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:15 Nekovivie wrote:
I dont think we have the full story. These teams put a lot of effort into helping their players, so obviously there will be disappointment if one leaves, and somewhat an element of loss. element of betrayal*
Better way of putting it, thanks
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A little integrity wouldn't have gone astray from Dragon...
If Dragon was under some kind of contract/agreement to represent Slayers for a certain amount of time and then asked Jessica to be released as he no longer wanted to go pro with his sc2 career and she was decent enough to release him under these pretenses then she has every right to be angry.
However, I don't think Jessica should be taking her rage to an online venue for all to see - that smacks of no professionalism.
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Poll: Is Dragon actually pretty shady and we went too hard on Katu?Yes. Dragon is the shademeister; re-instate Katu! (33) 62% No. Katu is still wrong! Dragon is not a cheating terd! (20) 38% 53 total votes Your vote: Is Dragon actually pretty shady and we went too hard on Katu? (Vote): Yes. Dragon is the shademeister; re-instate Katu!
(Vote): No. Katu is still wrong! Dragon is not a cheating terd!
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Don't really know what's on Dragon's head right now.. either he wanted to join a foreign team to make money and play in tourneys and was too afraid to tell SlayerS he wanted to leave or he actually wanted to focus on his job then decided to go back into pro gaming..
I've been a Dragon fan for a long time and I honestly think he left SlayerS to join a foreign team, after I heard him quit SlayerS, in his twitch information it said he was looking for a new team so I thought it was really bizarre that he would leave a top notch team for a foreign one... I want to believe that he was too ashamed of himself because of his past and want to participate in big tourneys again, but was too afraid to tell his intentions.
We really don't know the full story yet or ever will, but I have to go with Jessica on this one... she feels really betrayed and abandoned because she treated her members like family and just want honesty. She did somewhat over react to this case by taking it public instead of talking it out first, I guess it's the stress and frustration that made her blow up. I feel bad for her, I know the feeling she feels. I love SlayerS since Anaheim, I love their passion and their chemistry. I hope she can overlook this case, always and will be a SlayerS and Dragon fan.
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On March 07 2012 17:12 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:09 pdd wrote:
Jessica should calm down.
Dragon's not worth raging over. I really don't think he takes the game as seriously as he should and the biggest risk-bearer in this whole signing is Millenium. It's quite clear that they've only signed him due to his popularity.
He's spent so many months in SlayerS and trolling bronze-leaguers on NA and yet his biggest achievement to date is just his GSL Open Season qualification.
Why bother raging when you have a player who's heart and mind isn't where SlayerS's culture is? Doesnt take games seriously? he got into slayers its not something u can do without trying really really hard and its a big committment to start progaming, u drop studies u drop work to do this, u cant just decide to be a progamer get into slayers and be like "oh....i guess i wanna work now and drop sc2 progaming" i bet there are hundreds of gamers that are busting their balls out to get on a team like slayers
Except he didn't drop his work to be on SlayerS. Most of the time he was on SlayerS he wasn't even on the A-team, and he barely spent a month in the SlayerS house.
Also he seemed to spend more time trolling the NA server than anything else. Never appeared in any interview mentioning that he helped with practiced while other no-name SlayerS members such as Milz and Lots appeared quite a bit.
The fact that he left SlayerS stating his intention was to continue working (and he knew that this was publicized) just goes further to show that he had decided to stop putting it as a priority.
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On March 07 2012 17:16 cozzE wrote:
How can you guys possibly vilify Jessica for protecting the best interests of her players/team?
I'm actually ashamed on behalf of the dense idiots telling Jessica to 'quiet down'. If she feels she got lied to and betrayed (which she did) why can't she say something to vent her feelings? Maybe some of you accusers should take a second to understand the difference (in cultural context) a man's words can make.. I think it's very different to the one you experience inside your cocoon-like gaming pad.
Because there's no reason that this sort of discussion should be taken to twitter? If she really has a problem with Dragon she should talk to him in private. If she just wants to discredit him and make him look bad then go to twitter, but in that case that's a low blow and very unprofessional.
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On March 07 2012 17:16 cozzE wrote:
How can you guys possibly vilify Jessica for protecting the best interests of her players/team?
I'm actually ashamed on behalf of the dense idiots telling Jessica to 'quiet down'. If she feels she got lied to and betrayed (which she did) why can't she say something to vent her feelings? Maybe some of you accusers should take a second to understand the difference (in cultural context) a man's words can make.. I think it's very different to the one you experience inside your cocoon-like gaming pad.
What? I think you have it backwards.
On the internet, you get rewarded for being an asshole. Look at Idra, he wouldn't have anywhere near as much attention if he were a well mannered, quiet player. People love him or hate him for his manners, but there's no way to deny that they are good for his career.
In the real world, you have to do business, often with people you actively dislike. It's hard to do business if you start calling people names for little to no reason. She admits that he could have left if he'd asked... so what's the issue? Why even make any sort of statement? I doubt it hurt any potential future relationship between Slayers and Millenium, but even risking that is just dumb when there's absolutely no reason to do it.
Now, it was a little comment and I'm sure it's going to get way more attention than it's due, but it's not like this is the first time Jessica has blown something out of proportion. We're not saying she's a bad person, just that she should perhaps count to 10 before posting in the future.
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I didn't like Dragon from the moment I opened his stream. He gives off a very asshole vibe. However, Jessica is completely overreacting here, and being extremely judgmental. Although unlikely (imo), there's still a chance that Dragon was telling the truth. As a professional representative of SlayerS, it should be Jessica's responsibility to take the high road and assume that Dragon's intentions were pure.
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On March 07 2012 17:23 TrickyGilligan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:16 cozzE wrote:
How can you guys possibly vilify Jessica for protecting the best interests of her players/team?
I'm actually ashamed on behalf of the dense idiots telling Jessica to 'quiet down'. If she feels she got lied to and betrayed (which she did) why can't she say something to vent her feelings? Maybe some of you accusers should take a second to understand the difference (in cultural context) a man's words can make.. I think it's very different to the one you experience inside your cocoon-like gaming pad. What? I think you have it backwards. On the internet, you get rewarded for being an asshole. Look at Idra, he wouldn't have anywhere near as much attention if he were a well mannered, quiet player. People love him or hate him for his manners, but there's no way to deny that they are good for his career. In the real world, you have to do business, often with people you actively dislike. It's hard to do business if you start calling people names for little to no reason. She admits that he could have left if he'd asked... so what's the issue? Why even make any sort of statement? I doubt it hurt any potential future relationship between Slayers and Millenium, but even risking that is just dumb when there's absolutely no reason to do it. Now, it was a little comment and I'm sure it's going to get way more attention than it's due, but it's not like this is the first time Jessica has blown something out of proportion. We're not saying she's a bad person, just that she should perhaps count to 10 before posting in the future.
Despite that, he still can't win any BIG tourney. Enuff' said. Tell idra to shuddup, mannered up, move on and learn how to stop QQ about protoss. If you can't beat them, join them.
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All she did was state what dragon's "presumed" explanation for leaving, saying she is disappoint, and a sad smiley. Yes she has overreacted in the past but this is not one of them.
Don't worry about Dragon. Not like a twitter message is going to affect him, his long-planned scheme is coming into fruition perfectly. Big bucks from foreigner team salary, travel expenses, and a get-out-of-jail-free card to escape from his past criminal record in Korea. Plus he's laughing all the way to the bank with the stream revenue he makes off you guys.
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whats wrong with this jessica... why make fuss about a member who just wanted to join a different team? its dragon's decision and its his alone as far as im concern atm.
bad move there jessica, boxer shouldve stopped her from saying something like that to public if he could... gosh why sc2 players or managers are so navie... T.T deal with it and move on! dont make fuss about it.
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Holy crap so much misogyny and cultural misunderstanding in this thread O_o
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hmm she never directly addresses dragon tho?
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On March 07 2012 17:20 GatorGar wrote:Poll: Is Dragon actually pretty shady and we went too hard on Katu?Yes. Dragon is the shademeister; re-instate Katu! (33) 62% No. Katu is still wrong! Dragon is not a cheating terd! (20) 38% 53 total votes Your vote: Is Dragon actually pretty shady and we went too hard on Katu? (Vote): Yes. Dragon is the shademeister; re-instate Katu!
(Vote): No. Katu is still wrong! Dragon is not a cheating terd!
not trying to be a dick but you should really be temp banned for doing that. thats really overboard and unnecessary.
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On March 07 2012 17:32 Taku wrote:
Holy crap so much misogyny and cultural misunderstanding in this thread O_o
Don't forget idiocy, closedmindedness and lack of reading comprehension XD
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Seems like Jessica is a bit of a drama queen.
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On March 07 2012 17:34 Grovbolle wrote:
Seems like Jessica is a bit of a drama queen.
You read her tweet ? She was lied to by Dragon and didnt try to make a big fuss just disappointed.
Dragon has a really shady past and seems different from the guy that he looks like when he streams.
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If she is disappointed in Dragon why doesn't she just contact him in private about the matter? Why is there a such a strong need to make the issue public? This blatant slander is really unprofessional. My guess is that she gets bored easily and has the need to try and create drama for entertainment. Time to get a new hobby Jessica...
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On March 07 2012 17:36 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:34 Grovbolle wrote:
Seems like Jessica is a bit of a drama queen.
You read her tweet ? She was lied to by Dragon and didnt try to make a big fuss just disappointed. Dragon has a really shady past and seems different from the guy that he looks like when he streams.
You can't know if she was lied to or not. Dragon may have changed his mind. Still, her tweets were completely unnecessary and unprofessional and that's why people are actually criticizing her.
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On March 07 2012 17:32 Taku wrote:
Holy crap so much misogyny and cultural misunderstanding in this thread O_o
What cultural misunderstandings? When Jessica brought this to twitter it stopped being a cultural misunderstandings but simple business. Maybe its her who does not understand that. Washing the dirts in public is one of the worst thing you can do a specially if what you care is only your ego. Its not about Korean custom, or maybe Korean custom tells you to go to twitter and tell EVERYONE about what someone said or did and that hes liar.
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On March 07 2012 17:36 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:34 Grovbolle wrote:
Seems like Jessica is a bit of a drama queen.
You read her tweet ? She was lied to by Dragon and didnt try to make a big fuss just disappointed. Dragon has a really shady past and seems different from the guy that he looks like when he streams.
Yes, that's a valid point.
Every time something happens in my life that I don't want to make a big fuss over, I immediately post it on social media sites for everyone to read.
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On March 07 2012 17:38 Spiner wrote:
If she is disappointed in Dragon why doesn't she just contact him in private about the matter? Why is there a such a strong need to make the issue public? This blatant slander is really unprofessional.
Valid point. Doesn't sound like slander though. She's only stating that he has lied, correct? (whether you believe Dragon has lied or not)
On March 07 2012 17:38 Spiner wrote:
My guess is that she gets bored easily and has the need to try and create drama for entertainment. Time to get a new hobby Jessica...
Unneccessary, totally asking for a fight by including this part of the post. Holding your evaluation of Jessica to yourself would also be a more civil way to go about discussing this matter.
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For those who are making excuses for Dragon (oh, maybe he just changed his mind? etc), I consider myself a Dragon fan and that is definitely not the case. He tweeted about searching for a foreign team right after leaving slayers, tweeted how hard it was to find a team and even said he was looking for a team on his stream page. I can definitely see why Jessica is upset considering the fact that Dragon never even talked to SlayerS about leaving, and just tweeted it and made some obviously fake excuse.
As for those calling Jessica a drama queen, grow up. She's passionate about her team and treats it like a family. This is why she expects a certain standard out of the players, and for the most part she gets it. Just look at the way players like MMA respect her. If you don't want to hear her personal feelings, don't read her twitter? It's not the SlayerS official twitter or anything, its her personal one. You can go to the official team twitter/facebook (when they have one) for the stale PR shit. She has every right to express herself through her personal twitter.
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On March 07 2012 17:24 xiaofan wrote:
I didn't like Dragon from the moment I opened his stream. He gives off a very asshole vibe. However, Jessica is completely overreacting here, and being extremely judgmental. Although unlikely (imo), there's still a chance that Dragon was telling the truth. As a professional representative of SlayerS, it should be Jessica's responsibility to take the high road and assume that Dragon's intentions were pure.
he looks like a very friendly guy to me. ofc he must be a very different person off the stream, but honestly i was so surprised to learn he stream cheated before, he doesn't strike me as someone who would do these things. i do think Dragon should be more honest about his situation since Slayers invested in him and without Slayers he wouldn't be what he is today. i'm pretty sure part of the reason people became fans is because he was on Slayers.
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Jessica clearly didn't care much for Dragon until he was gone. How much do you think they paid him, if anything at all? They didn't do shit for Dragon, so why wouldn't he leave and find a better opportunity? It's better than working his ass off in a shipyard to make ends meet.
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Jessica is perfectly right. If Dragon wants to make more money from another team and abandon his old one, that's up to him, but it's nothing weird that his old team will be disappointed in this, especially in Korea. This is even worse though since Dragon obviously lied about wanting to go back to work because he didn't have the balls to openly state what he was planning.
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Either Dragon flat out lied to avoid dealing with SlayerS about changing teams, or he genuinely had a change of heart. I think Jessica of all people would've considered the latter, since Ganzi did the same thing when he left IM saying he wanted to stop playing, and was picked up by SlayerS. Obviously she feels there's more to it than just that. Since we don't really know how things went down, we should reserve judgement (for both sides) untill more light is shined on the matter. If that never happens, we should just move on.
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On March 07 2012 17:50 Telcontar wrote:
Either Dragon flat out lied to avoid dealing with SlayerS about changing teams, or he genuinely had a change of heart. I think Jessica of all people would've considered the latter, since Ganzi did the same thing when he left IM saying he wanted to stop playing, and was picked up by SlayerS. Obviously she feels there's more to it than just that. Since we don't really know how things went down, we should reserve judgement (for both sides) untill more light is shined on the matter. If that never happens, we should just move on.
If you followed his twitter or watched his stream at the time of his leaving SlayerS, you would know that he was actively looking for a team right after. This wasn't a change of heart, it was an excuse.
edit: although I agree we should just move on.
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On March 07 2012 17:44 zefreak wrote:
For those who are making excuses for Dragon (oh, maybe he just changed his mind? etc), I consider myself a Dragon fan and that is definitely not the case. He tweeted about searching for a foreign team right after leaving slayers, tweeted how hard it was to find a team and even said he was looking for a team on his stream page. I can definitely see why Jessica is upset considering the fact that Dragon never even talked to SlayerS about leaving, and just tweeted it and made some obviously fake excuse.
As for those calling Jessica a drama queen, grow up. She's passionate about her team and treats it like a family. This is why she expects a certain standard out of the players, and for the most part she gets it. Just look at the way players like MMA respect her. If you don't want to hear her personal feelings, don't read her twitter? It's not the SlayerS official twitter or anything, its her personal one. You can go to the official team twitter/facebook (when they have one) for the stale PR shit. She has every right to express herself through her personal twitter.
I often find myself disagreeing with your opinions but we agree about this. Most of the people replying in these threads know little (or only know what they've read third hand from random unreliable sources) about the situation but find it necessary to fling mud at either side. Pot calling the kettle black (without actually being sure if the kettle is in fact black).
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time to go make some popcorn. slayers fans vs dragon fans is on tonight.
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On March 07 2012 17:51 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:50 Telcontar wrote:
Either Dragon flat out lied to avoid dealing with SlayerS about changing teams, or he genuinely had a change of heart. I think Jessica of all people would've considered the latter, since Ganzi did the same thing when he left IM saying he wanted to stop playing, and was picked up by SlayerS. Obviously she feels there's more to it than just that. Since we don't really know how things went down, we should reserve judgement (for both sides) untill more light is shined on the matter. If that never happens, we should just move on. If you followed his twitter or watched his stream at the time of his leaving SlayerS, you would know that he was actively looking for a team right after. This wasn't a change of heart, it was an excuse. edit: although I agree we should just move on.
Oh is that right? Then Jessica definitely has a right to feel disappointed. I wonder why Dragon didn't just straight up tell SlayerS that he wanted to look for another team. It's not like he was an important squad member. Maybe something to do with his contract?
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Who is the real drama queen here? Jessica or the TL community?
When we don't know what actually happens and just see some tweets, we shouldn't jump to conclusion, filling out the details with our imagination.
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On March 07 2012 18:01 [F_]aths wrote:
Who is the real drama queen here? Jessica or the TL community?
When we don't know what actually happens and just see some tweets, we shouldn't jump to conclusion, filling out the details with our imagination.
I think it's right to say that both Jessica and the TL community have drama tendencies. I mean, just look at all the eSports drama that has been happening on the TL forums lately. lol
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I say this in basically every Jessica thread, but she is ALWAYS overreacting/creating mountains out of molehills, being melodramatic, etc. Personally I have been finding it extremeeeely inappropriate, but yeah.
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On March 07 2012 18:01 [F_]aths wrote:
Who is the real drama queen here? Jessica or the TL community?
When we don't know what actually happens and just see some tweets, we shouldn't jump to conclusion, filling out the details with our imagination.
Probably both. The last 6 months here on TL have been a real soap opera. It's been hard doging all those threads and posts.
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On March 07 2012 18:03 Vei wrote:
I say this in basically every Jessica thread, but she is ALWAYS overreacting/creating mountains out of molehills, being melodramatic, etc. Personally I have been finding it extremeeeely inappropriate, but yeah.
your head is stuck in america. what's right where you are is not right where she is. "cultural differences" no wonder you keep repeating yourself
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On March 07 2012 16:16 EatsDirt wrote:
Seems like causing drama for the sake of drama.
Edit: THE scum of the earth thing was ment to be an exaggeration play on jessicas exaggeration of the situation. I am sorry i put it i sould have made it more clear it was an exaggeration i thought people would check the twitter statement. I AM SORRY!!!! Please dont focus on that i was merely trying to defend dragon here!!
... 'drama for the sake of drama' but you overexaggerated the situation ... yay?
We don't know what happened between them, and unless Dragon responds, it doesn't really matter what we may or may not think.
In addition, different culture ... he may, in fact have lied (or he may not), and it may be a bigger thing there ... meh. He just joined Millennium, so maybe she thinks he used some fake reason to leave Slayers so he could join ... or she could be wrong. we don't know.
Didn't deserve a thread ...
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Maybe all of you would prefer a fluffy, meaningless PR statement out of Jessica like "Congrats to Dragon for joining Millennium , good luck in your future."
But for me I think its refreshing to hear someone who was associated with Dragon actually speak her feelings. Whats wrong with her being honest about what she thinks of the situation?
Eit: And btw how the hell is this even any of this our business? We (the community) don't even know the full story of the controversy behind the Dragon scandal or any of the inside details that might have happened between Dragon and the Slayers team yet we are judging Jessica and Dragon super hard. Can we just leave this between them?
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I reread jessica's twitters, but I don't understand why everyone hates her. She is sad because dragon lied about the reason of leaving Slayers clan, and to express her feelings, she put it on twitter.
I am sure if dragon told the news about Millenium to the Slayers clan, Slayers jessica woudn't have been so upset. I think from her perspective, it looks dragon left family for money.
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This might sound crazy to us westerners, but maybe there are cultures in other parts of the world that value collectivism over individualism. I don't get why people keep using their own set of values to judge others.
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I agree with Jessica here, It seems that Dragon lied to her. She is just saying that she is hurt by the fact that he lied, not that he left the team. She does make mention of others leaving and her being ok with it.
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I agree with jessica too. Im a big fan of dragon but I guess he made an alibi to go to work so he can find a foreign team he can join. Nevertheless, I still love slayers and dragon. 
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On March 07 2012 18:03 mrGRAPE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 18:01 [F_]aths wrote:
Who is the real drama queen here? Jessica or the TL community?
When we don't know what actually happens and just see some tweets, we shouldn't jump to conclusion, filling out the details with our imagination. I think it's right to say that both Jessica and the TL community have drama tendencies. I mean, just look at all the eSports drama that has been happening on the TL forums lately. lol
I agree, when all you have is someone's twitter post, what use is there to jump into conclusions?
Hell, what use is there for anyone to discuss it even if you had every fact down to every single detail?
Can we do anything about the Slayers v. Dragon relationship, IF there is actually any problem?
Does it even affect us? Will Dragon going to play worse due to this? Will Jessica leave Slayers house or something?
We just DON'T KNOW. We just don't even know what's the problem. God, these threads are stupid. I occasionally read some 'drama' threads, and while some may be important and encourage discussion, (like the Naniwa and the Blizz Cup incident) so far only thing I see in these threads are people throwing stuff at each other, going all around speculating while practically doing nothing.
Just wait for a official statement release. Read it, and try to understand it, and then start talking about it.
If I were a TL admin I would lock down these threads until there's enough data for discussion. Say the Blizcup incident. After both sides have released their statements (let's say Naniwa and GSL?), there is enough data to start a discussion. The PuMa drama is a good example. Coach Lee blamed EG for stealing their player, then EG released their statement and as it turns out there wasn't really any stealing at all. But until that point, the floods of drama have just drowned TL.
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can we as a community PLEASE stop giving so much attention to stupid drama for the sake of drama threads? This really doesn't deserve so much attention, I hate seeing so many people focusing on this kind of drama all the time, I feel like this sort of stuff gets more attention that the game sometimes, and that makes me really sad :/
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Um.....
1) Dragon left SlayerS saying that he would focus on work.
2) SlayerS says "okay, good luck with your life and your work"
3) Dragon joins a foreign team
4) SlayerS says "wtf?"
You think that is unreasonable? hmmm... unless there is more information here, sorry, but that's extremely BM from Dragon for not talking with SlayerS before joining a foreign team, and for lying in the first place.
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Guys I'm trying to work, if you would please keep this discussion OT and not insult each other, Jessica or Dragon that would be great. Two new reports pop up for every one I close = not good for business.
Thanks!
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On March 07 2012 18:27 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Guys I'm trying to work, if you would please keep this discussion OT and not insult each other, Jessica or Dragon that would be great. Two new reports pop up for every one I close = not good for business.
Thanks!
나도 당신을 사랑해 <3
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On March 07 2012 18:09 Disposition1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 18:03 Vei wrote:
I say this in basically every Jessica thread, but she is ALWAYS overreacting/creating mountains out of molehills, being melodramatic, etc. Personally I have been finding it extremeeeely inappropriate, but yeah. your head is stuck in america. what's right where you are is not right where she is. "cultural differences" no wonder you keep repeating yourself
Everyone keeps citing "culture differences" when it comes to Jessica and her vindictive tweets. Is this common in Korea?
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On March 07 2012 18:47 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 18:09 Disposition1989 wrote:On March 07 2012 18:03 Vei wrote:
I say this in basically every Jessica thread, but she is ALWAYS overreacting/creating mountains out of molehills, being melodramatic, etc. Personally I have been finding it extremeeeely inappropriate, but yeah. your head is stuck in america. what's right where you are is not right where she is. "cultural differences" no wonder you keep repeating yourself Everyone keeps citing "culture differences" when it comes to Jessica and her vindictive tweets. Is this common in Korea?
It is common to vent with your close ones, especially for females. It is better to say it then holding it in.
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On March 07 2012 17:03 DT-Toss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:57 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On March 07 2012 16:51 DT-Toss wrote:
If you guys don't know about asian's culture and they way she put things into perspective, shut the fuck up and stop commenting her for being overreacted.
What Jessica said is true. When Slayers wanted to keep Dragon as a member, Dragon gave excuses and lied to Jessica about his committment to work and can't focus on SC2 and will only take SC2 as a hobby.
Infact, look at it. If you're focus on work, you shouldn't be streaming 24/7 instead. He just wanted to leave Slayers and join other team.
What a scum. Whether what she is saying is true or not is irrelevant, the fact that the general manager of slayers is publicly bashing a former player is simply unacceptable behavior. I don't know a lot about Korean culture but I seriously doubt this is conduct becoming of someone like Jessica. Sorry but in Korean customs and culture, seniority (Jessica as big sister) is a pillar of Korea's Confucianist traditions. So lying to your senior is a no-no. In this case, dragon lied about his departure and Jessica accepted because dragon was committed to "work" and not programming as a career but turned out to be bulls.
I agree. People know jack shit about Korean culture. I'm Korean and I'm pretty sure every Korean woman I know would react like this. I can easily see how the environment at Slayers is like that of a family and that Jessica sees the players as sort of her children that she takes care of.
He basically posted on Twitter that he was leaving Slayers without even telling Jessica or Boxer! That's equivalent to breaking up with your girlfriend via email or text message or maybe even a Facebook status change. There's no law against that, but you can't deny that there's an extremely high probability that your ex-girlfriend is going to talk mad shit about you if you do that.... esp. if she happens to be Korean.
So trust me. In the Korean culture, Dragon got the verbal bashing he deserved and should have expected for being so shady about the whole thing. What Jessica said isn't even that bad if you read it in Korean - pretty much just rants and calls him a liar. I'm pretty sure my mother or aunts would have said a lot worse. You just can't pull that kind of shit in Korea
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Ooooh yeah.
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On March 07 2012 18:54 redemption wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:03 DT-Toss wrote:On March 07 2012 16:57 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On March 07 2012 16:51 DT-Toss wrote:
If you guys don't know about asian's culture and they way she put things into perspective, shut the fuck up and stop commenting her for being overreacted.
What Jessica said is true. When Slayers wanted to keep Dragon as a member, Dragon gave excuses and lied to Jessica about his committment to work and can't focus on SC2 and will only take SC2 as a hobby.
Infact, look at it. If you're focus on work, you shouldn't be streaming 24/7 instead. He just wanted to leave Slayers and join other team.
What a scum. Whether what she is saying is true or not is irrelevant, the fact that the general manager of slayers is publicly bashing a former player is simply unacceptable behavior. I don't know a lot about Korean culture but I seriously doubt this is conduct becoming of someone like Jessica. Sorry but in Korean customs and culture, seniority (Jessica as big sister) is a pillar of Korea's Confucianist traditions. So lying to your senior is a no-no. In this case, dragon lied about his departure and Jessica accepted because dragon was committed to "work" and not programming as a career but turned out to be bulls. I agree. People know jack shit about Korean culture. I'm Korean and I'm pretty sure every Korean woman I know would react like this. I can easily see how the environment at Slayers is like that of a family and that Jessica sees the players as sort of her children that she takes care of. He basically posted on Twitter that he was leaving Slayers without even telling Jessica or Boxer! That's equivalent to breaking up with your girlfriend via email or text message or maybe even a Facebook status change. There's no law against that, but you can't deny that there's an extremely high probability that your ex-girlfriend is going to talk mad shit about you if you do that.... esp. if she happens to be Korean. So trust me. In the Korean culture, Dragon got the verbal bashing he deserved and should have expected for being so shady about the whole thing. What Jessica said isn't even that bad if you read it in Korean - pretty much just rants and calls him a liar. I'm pretty sure my mother or aunts would have said a lot worse. You just can't pull that kind of shit in Korea
Sadly, many here don't understand Korean culture well before they comments.
Like i said, some should shut the fuck up just for the sake of replying.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ homodragon gives not a fuck
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On March 07 2012 17:40 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:32 Taku wrote:
Holy crap so much misogyny and cultural misunderstanding in this thread O_o What cultural misunderstandings? When Jessica brought this to twitter it stopped being a cultural misunderstandings but simple business. Maybe its her who does not understand that. Washing the dirts in public is one of the worst thing you can do a specially if what you care is only your ego. Its not about Korean custom, or maybe Korean custom tells you to go to twitter and tell EVERYONE about what someone said or did and that hes liar.
LOL actually in a weird way, yes our culture DOES sort of encourage going to twitter and telling everyone. Koreans are really vocal and aggressive, especially when they feel disrespected.
There's a reason that we're stereotyped as belligerent, wife-beaters...
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Dragon is looking more and more like a Korean Destiny nowadays. He's still young and he made a misstep in not letting his former team know about joining Millenium. Best of luck to him still.
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Nevermind.
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On March 07 2012 19:04 redemption wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:40 bgx wrote:On March 07 2012 17:32 Taku wrote:
Holy crap so much misogyny and cultural misunderstanding in this thread O_o What cultural misunderstandings? When Jessica brought this to twitter it stopped being a cultural misunderstandings but simple business. Maybe its her who does not understand that. Washing the dirts in public is one of the worst thing you can do a specially if what you care is only your ego. Its not about Korean custom, or maybe Korean custom tells you to go to twitter and tell EVERYONE about what someone said or did and that hes liar. LOL actually in a weird way, yes our culture DOES sort of encourage going to twitter and telling everyone. Koreans are really vocal and aggressive, especially when they feel disrespected. There's a reason that we're stereotyped as belligerent, wife-beaters...
Don't you also find it interesting that while we encourage that kind of behavior in some settings, we also at the same time support mitigated speech and tiptoeing around issues? It's because the social structure is so hierarchical.
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It looks like the one overreacting is TC......
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What a drama queen. Culture irrelevant. If you leave a team, it's not really their business what you do once you leave. Players leave because they WANT freedom.
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Probably doesn't need to be said again, but I'm also Korean-American and Jessica's reaction seems pretty reasonable to me as well ;;
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On March 07 2012 19:16 dearyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:04 redemption wrote:On March 07 2012 17:40 bgx wrote:On March 07 2012 17:32 Taku wrote:
Holy crap so much misogyny and cultural misunderstanding in this thread O_o What cultural misunderstandings? When Jessica brought this to twitter it stopped being a cultural misunderstandings but simple business. Maybe its her who does not understand that. Washing the dirts in public is one of the worst thing you can do a specially if what you care is only your ego. Its not about Korean custom, or maybe Korean custom tells you to go to twitter and tell EVERYONE about what someone said or did and that hes liar. LOL actually in a weird way, yes our culture DOES sort of encourage going to twitter and telling everyone. Koreans are really vocal and aggressive, especially when they feel disrespected. There's a reason that we're stereotyped as belligerent, wife-beaters... Don't you also find it interesting that while we encourage that kind of behavior in some settings, we also at the same time support mitigated speech and tiptoeing around issues? It's because the social structure is so hierarchical.
Yeah so true. For example, being born and raised in America, I get really worried when I visit Korea because I'm not sure how I'm supposed to interact. It's easy when someone is much older or much younger, but when I talk to people that look around my age, I get confused. Do I ask everybody how old they are? I feel that urgency to determine my place in that social hierarchy at all times.
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I'm not even Korean and it seems reasonable to me.
Either way SlayerS would have let him go. It was a matter of respect that he told them what was really up instead of fabricating some lie.
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On March 07 2012 19:23 DarKcS wrote:
What a drama queen. Culture irrelevant. If you leave a team, it's not really their business what you do once you leave. Players leave because they WANT freedom.
You spout culture irrelevant, then your next sentence is a heavy western cultural view. Oh the irony.
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The line ''You never know what you have until you lost it'' simply fits perfectly here.
This situation is just unnecessary drama, unprofessional from Jessicas side.
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On March 07 2012 19:29 Cinim wrote:
The line ''You never know what you have until you lost it'' simply fits perfectly here.
This situation is just unnecessary drama, unprofessional from Jessicas side.
That platitude definitely does not fit here because Dragon, although pretty good, is nowhere near the level of the other Terrans on Slayers. It's clearly more an issue of respect.
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he wasnt even a player at the slayers house, why such a big deal?
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i dont see any evidence of korean netizens making a big deal out of jessica's comments, and last time i checked, slayers is still based in korea. korea, as in korea with EASTERN cultural views, not western. so i'd say culture insensitivity plays a large part in those who misunderstand jessica's comments and play it off as dramatic and unprofessional. i myself find nothing wrong with what jessica wrote, it was not inflammatory in nature, nor was it slanderous. granted she has wrote worse, but this should not have been blown out of such proportions by people who do not understand eastern culture.
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Who's next on the dragon fanboys hitlist? This Jessica target hasn't gone as well for them as the Katu fuss.
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Why do we need several threads of this twitter drama?
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Westerners opinions of a Korean issue are pretty much worthless.
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OP, you did exactly what you accused Jessica of, creating drama for the sake of drama.
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Dont actually see the drama here, i can understand Jessica there (although i dont really like her, dont know why).
Dragon-fanboys will rape me for this, but he actually acts like an asshole. Not only did he cheat (and then lie about never playing "pro" again), now he turns his back on the team that took him after all the "controversy" (in a really disrespectful manner, i might add).
So, yeah. I would be pissed off as well, and would find other words than Jessica.
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Dragon has always been a liar , see his past, his recent past, and probably the soon(to be) future
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On March 07 2012 17:03 vileIllusion wrote:
Feels like she's speaking from a "mother's" perspective, rather than slayers manager. Dragon + Ma = Drama
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Seriously Jessica looks so agreeable and amicable, but her actions are completely the opposite.
The emperor needs to step it up in the bedroom me thinks, getting sloppy with his dropship micro 
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Not really, maybe not the best reponse but it's all understandable.
Think of it as this: HuK says to EG management that he's retiring from sc2, the EG management understands and they terminate his contract and release a statement and thank him for his time and say he's retiring. A month later HuK joins Liquid.
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On March 07 2012 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Westerners opinions of a Korean issue are pretty much worthless.
pretty much
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I think that you have to realize that there are different cultural norms between Korean and NA/EU. Let's not pull pitchforks on the Empress now...
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lol at people calling her overreacting and unprofessional. When this kind of stuff (tweeting negatively on tweeter) keeps happening in Korean community, you know it culture thing.
Not only it's culture clash between West and East, it's also generation gap. People from older generation (before the 80s, maybe up to 1985) tend to speak up a lot more than young people. They don't care about looking stupid or unprofessional, that's how they got their jobs done.
This is why I was shocked when I just moved to America. I encountered so many things that need to be addressed, but kept being left unspoken. A lot of things are either got ignored or presumably unspoken mutual.
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On March 08 2012 01:57 canikizu wrote:
lol at people calling her overreacting and unprofessional. When this kind of stuff (tweeting negatively on tweeter) keeps happening in Korean community, you know it culture thing.
Not only it's culture clash between West and East, it's also generation gap. People from older generation (before the 80s, maybe up to 1985) tend to speak up a lot more than young people. They don't care about looking stupid or unprofessional, that's how they got their jobs done.
This is why I was shocked when I just moved to America. I encountered so many things that need to be addressed, but kept being left unspoken. A lot of things are either got ignored or presumably unspoken mutual.
Only... Not everyone does it and not everyone does it so dramatically and absurdly.
There are a handful of people who are known for this kind of melodrama, Jessica is one of them.
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oh god jessica not again...
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A woman scorned.
Everything seems to be a bit too personal for Jessica, I appreciate her support and passion but she needs to learn how to better control her emotions.
Edit: That being said I don't think she was wrong for doubting Dragon...your reputation follows you forever.
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On March 08 2012 03:09 RaptorSC2 wrote:
Jessica is such a fucking drama queen, holy shit.
This is not the kind of opinion you need to share
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On March 08 2012 02:01 Shiori wrote:
100% agree with Jessica.
Really? You aren't allowed to change your mind? Tough to live with you I guess...
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Echo of totalbiscuits post. I'd also like to say that only couple days after leaving SlayerS dragon started searching for a foreign team, which might be abit quick to realize~.
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On March 08 2012 03:10 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 03:09 RaptorSC2 wrote:
Jessica is such a fucking drama queen, holy shit. This is not the kind of opinion you need to share
You know who else doesn't need to share their opinion? Jessica.
I don't care how pissed off or slighted you feel, you don't go around shitting on a past member because he he hurt your feelings. This puts a bad image on Dragon and she is now disrespecting him as well, so she's a massive hypocrite. He doesn't deserve this and this could have been handled privately at a future date.
I don't care if Koreans have something with honor, you're a manager of an e-sports team, not royalty. Get off your high horse and leave people to their devices.
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Seems to me like Dragon didn't want to be part of SlayerS anymore, but thought phrasing it that way would be more polite or non-confrontational. If he had just said he wanted to leave, there would have been questions as to why, and he might have just felt too SAP to deal with that.
He probably felt like it wouldn't be a very big deal as he might not have been seen as much of an asset during his stint in SlayerS.
Just my two cents.
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On March 08 2012 03:12 SC2NeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 03:10 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 03:09 RaptorSC2 wrote:
Jessica is such a fucking drama queen, holy shit. This is not the kind of opinion you need to share You know who else doesn't need to share their opinion? Jessica. I don't care how pissed off or slighted you feel, you don't go around shitting on a past member because he he hurt your feelings. This puts a bad image on Dragon and she is now disrespecting him as well, so she's a massive hypocrite. He doesn't deserve this and this could have been handled privately at a future date. I don't care if Koreans have something with honor, you're a manager of an e-sports team, not royalty. Get off your high horse and leave people to their devices.
Holy irony.
Just ignore her if you're this butthurt.
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She is indeed very 'vocal' about her opinions, but I don't blame her on this one.
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I feel like slayers has a very well organized team practice and strategy cohesiveness amongst themselves. So I guess having part of that gone to another team right away maybe? Because now he can teach mill how top tier korean teams do what they do? Weird but understandable for jessica
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On March 08 2012 03:15 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 03:12 SC2NeCro wrote:On March 08 2012 03:10 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 03:09 RaptorSC2 wrote:
Jessica is such a fucking drama queen, holy shit. This is not the kind of opinion you need to share You know who else doesn't need to share their opinion? Jessica. I don't care how pissed off or slighted you feel, you don't go around shitting on a past member because he he hurt your feelings. This puts a bad image on Dragon and she is now disrespecting him as well, so she's a massive hypocrite. He doesn't deserve this and this could have been handled privately at a future date. I don't care if Koreans have something with honor, you're a manager of an e-sports team, not royalty. Get off your high horse and leave people to their devices. Holy irony. Just ignore her if you're this butthurt.
Can someone report this troll post for me? I can't yet. T.T
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On March 08 2012 03:16 iiGreetings wrote:
I feel like slayers has a very well organized team practice and strategy cohesiveness amongst themselves. So I guess having part of that gone to another team right away maybe? Because now he can teach mill how top tier korean teams do what they do? Weird but understandable for jessica
this!
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On March 08 2012 03:16 iiGreetings wrote:
I feel like slayers has a very well organized team practice and strategy cohesiveness amongst themselves. So I guess having part of that gone to another team right away maybe? Because now he can teach mill how top tier korean teams do what they do? Weird but understandable for jessica
Agreed. If you invest in someone and he plays around with your time and money or otherwise acts unprofessionally it's your prerogative to call him out. People spend their money on you, you at least owe them honesty.
My western opinion now expressed ...
On March 07 2012 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Westerners opinions of a Korean issue are pretty much worthless.
Precisely.
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On March 07 2012 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Westerners opinions of a Korean issue are pretty much worthless.
Westerners' opinions of a Korean issue aren't worthless, they're just uninformed and wrong. But that doesn't mean they don't make a negative consequence for Jessica's actions. Opinions about a public figure/brand aren't important because they approach the truth, but because they have implications for the funding of that brand. If Jessica does something that's fine in Korean culture but makes a lot of (stupid unaware) foreigners mad, she's potentially hurting the Slayers brand by reducing sponsors (who don't want to be associated with something customers don't like) or fans.
It sounds great to just say everyone is stupid and therefore you should be able to ignore their opinions, but the value of opinions in a marketplace isn't their truth.
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is dragon like the new destiny?
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This just in: Slayers'Jessica flips shit.
More news at 11!
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Gotta love e-sport drama! nom nom nom
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Everytime I hear about her she always comes off sounding like a bitch.
Empire_Violet:
@SlayerS_Jessica 소식들었어여 ㅠㅠ 뒤통수맞은기분이시겠어여 .. 노여움푸시와요..
I heard the news, it must be like getting hit in the back of your head... please let go of your anger..
I mean she is always pissy and grumpy.
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On March 08 2012 03:12 SC2NeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 03:10 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 03:09 RaptorSC2 wrote:
Jessica is such a fucking drama queen, holy shit. This is not the kind of opinion you need to share You know who else doesn't need to share their opinion? Jessica. I don't care how pissed off or slighted you feel, you don't go around shitting on a past member because he he hurt your feelings. This puts a bad image on Dragon and she is now disrespecting him as well, so she's a massive hypocrite. He doesn't deserve this and this could have been handled privately at a future date. I don't care if Koreans have something with honor, you're a manager of an e-sports team, not royalty. Get off your high horse and leave people to their devices.
Looks like you have no idea what your talking about.
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Any random Joe says controversial stuff and gets way too much attention for it, but at least she didn't say it about him while casting one of his games :p
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My korean friends tell me that most korean girls are really really crazy. Sometimes, I can see the craziness come out in my buddy's GF when we hang out.
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On March 08 2012 03:53 Lixler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Westerners opinions of a Korean issue are pretty much worthless. Westerners' opinions of a Korean issue aren't worthless, they're just uninformed and wrong. But that doesn't mean they don't make a negative consequence for Jessica's actions. Opinions about a public figure/brand aren't important because they approach the truth, but because they have implications for the funding of that brand. If Jessica does something that's fine in Korean culture but makes a lot of (stupid unaware) foreigners mad, she's potentially hurting the Slayers brand by reducing sponsors (who don't want to be associated with something customers don't like) or fans. It sounds great to just say everyone is stupid and therefore you should be able to ignore their opinions, but the value of opinions in a marketplace isn't their truth.
I wanted to say something along these lines but you've expressed it a lot more clearly than I could. Even though western opinions may be uninformed, it doesn't invalidate them in any way.
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On Mar 7 2012 14:22<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> blackberry_ wrote:
My korean friends tell me that most korean girls are really really crazy. Sometimes, I can see the craziness come out in my buddy's GF when we hang out.
You should date one and find out.
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I certainly understand where she's coming from this, I mean leaving a team to do it as a hobby is understandable. But to then go onto another team when you said you would play it as a hobby? That would be a big blow to someone if they were betrayed like that.
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ban OP for making this thread? Read the tweet, he said he was quitting SC and that is why he was released from slayers, and now he joins a new team and she is upset. Could this be anymore straight forward and simple? Way to make something of nothing, go back to his stream chat and cry there. Fucking fanboys drive me crazy.
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that girl eighter way does anything to get attention in wich case she has problems , or she suffers from paranoya and she has problems again . " he lied " RLY ? who cares ?
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On March 08 2012 04:25 Trealador wrote:
ban OP for making this thread? Read the tweet, he said he was quitting SC and that is why he was released from slayers, and now he joins a new team and she is upset. Could this be anymore straight forward and simple? Way to make something of nothing, go back to his stream chat and cry there. Fucking fanboys drive me crazy.
I'm not sure he said he was "quiting sc2" more so playing it as a hobby and going back to work. But to then put out another tweet a day later looking for a foreign team is uncalled for, and just sad.
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We don't need two threads for this.
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