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Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
February 26 2012 18:57 GMT
#161
Why the fuck is this thread even necessary? Email them about it and settle it privately. It's really not a big deal, i have no idea why you are trying to bring attention to this.
SRBNikola
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Serbia191 Posts
February 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#162
On February 27 2012 03:52 shifty wrote:
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On February 27 2012 03:40 VTArlock wrote:
This thread is stupid, I'm sorry (not really). You're acting like MLG has violated your rights as person. I can understand the sentiment of you feeling slightly irked. You should of just sent an email to MLG asking them why they didn't ask you for permission and let them know next time you won't be so kind and expect some sort of recognition or compensation.

Instead your going to sit on your self-righteous chair; pretending to have never illegally downloaded music, never watched illegally downloaded porn. Torrented or limewire'd anything.
Of course you most definitely never used megaupload or played BW on iccup server.

I can appreciate your sentiment, however making this thread was wrong.
Yes MLG should of asked you, am I upset that they didn't?
Not anymore.



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Now this is assuming you did post this in SC2General. This all applies.
You granted Teamliquid.net a Sublicensable right to your content, and you accepted this when you signed up for this website.

The definition of Sub licensable is as follows
Sub licensable - is able to share the Content with its sponsors, affiliates and subcontractors..



So actually Teamliquid has all rights to your photo, this is assuming you did post this in SC2General, as a poster above me did say.

Actually Teamliquid could request compensation lol.


So OP stop being a complete doucher and offer a reasonable price, but now they probably won't give you a penny.



TeamLiquid website has all rights on it, but original creator is still creator and rights owner, that part of quote never says that its forbidden to use from TL's ownership, but it is from private...
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
February 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#163
Get in touch with MLG, no need to air your dirty laundry here. Isn't that how copyright concerns are usually dealt with?
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
February 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#164
On February 27 2012 03:56 Twoinches wrote:
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On February 27 2012 03:53 SCST wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Just to be clear, the OP didn't get compensation or any credit whatsoever for the photo. I'm sure he would be have been fine if MLG had put up a small line crediting him.


I have to agree with this. The OP never said anything about financial compensation. Everyone who's going after him for asking for credit taking the photo needs to relax.

It would cost MLG absolutely nothing to give this guy credit for the photograph, and that alone might be valuable to the OP as a reference for work at some point.


how bad would the stream look if each photo had a photo credit underneath it.

answer: terrible


Then don't use the photo. At a minimum, just ask the artist/photographer for permission! TL did this and the guy agreed never asking for any money. Read the OP.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
February 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#165
op is kinda sad copyright a picture of seth lol ok...we are not there yet
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
February 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#166
Yes, the est way to resolve this issue is to post about it in a public forum. This way no judgements will be made before all the facts are known.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
frozenrb
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 18:58:59
February 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#167
On February 27 2012 03:57 Karthane wrote:
Why the fuck is this thread even necessary? Email them about it and settle it privately. It's really not a big deal, i have no idea why you are trying to bring attention to this.


read his words

MLG, if you can charge the ESPORTS community $20 dollars to view a pay-per-view stream with no free option, you can certainly pay an employee to ask me for permission to use my photographs. Because it was to be used on a pay-per-view basis, and because you are obviously a for-profit enterprise, we would have worked out an acceptable licensing fee or you would have chosen perhaps not to use my photograph after all.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#168
who cares?
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#169
But if what if that picture of naniwa is copyrighted.
And OP just violated that copyright?
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[image loading]
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#170
On February 27 2012 03:55 Xeris wrote:
Snafooo !


Did NASL pay the necessary fees to legally use the walk on music at NASL 2 grand finals?

Always wondered...
@followMVT
Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#171
On February 27 2012 03:55 ceaRshaf wrote:
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On February 27 2012 03:54 Remaker12 wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:43 MLG_Adam wrote:
You can email me directly if you would like to discuss this issue instead of posting a forum thread. My email address is aa@mlgpro.com.

FYI, this is not my specific expertise at MLG, but I do know this is covered in our TOS around tickets and via signage that is posted all over our venues.



Pretty much this. If OP contacted MLG instead of posting it on TL he would have been offered a polite explanation/apology with compensation. Instead he pulls this publicity stunt. I hope he gets nothing but an empty apology.


Sorry but you are a really bad person (I would like to insult you a lot more, but you are not worth my ban).

HE HAS THE RIGHT TO CALL ON MLG.

And I want to be informed about this kind of issues that aren't resolved as we all expected.

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If any of you agree with the law..idk what to tell you. If it's on the internet it shouldn't even be yours anymore



OMG! OMG!

And MLG wants people like this to pay 20$ for a ticket. SC community fail.

Your caps show how ignorant you are. All this guy like to do is complain like the rest of the community...it's getting old. Clearly he's trying to bring drama up in the community. How about you speak to MLG first before bashing them....zzzzzzzzzz the human race amazes me when I read crap like this.
"Own-ed" - CatZ
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 19:04:50
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#172
It is blowing my mind reading the first few pages that this many people think it is OK to break copy write laws as long as you're more important than the other. They might not have stolen everything, but the fact they stole even one thing in a PAY PER VIEW is crazy. If you're going to charge people to watch your event in order to make money, you might want to actually spend money toward the product instead of carelessly stealing material.

On February 27 2012 03:34 Tula wrote:
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On February 27 2012 03:19 itsjustatank wrote:
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I don't normally browse Reddit, but when I do I don't expect to see a major North American ESPORTS tournament organization blatantly infringing my copyright.

In August of last year, I went to MLG Anaheim and I brought my camera along. I had lots of fun and learned how to use that camera while discovering a passion for taking photographs of progamers and fans of ESPORTS, something that has really made me feel a part of the community. I've gone on to cover a number of other events and always brought my coverage of said events here to Team Liquid. You can find that in the blogs that I have composed over the past few months.

Now, among the photos I took that MLG Anaheim weekend was this one of Sheth:

[image loading]

What a handsome nerd baller.
Notice in the link, copyright status is "All Rights Reserved."


Imagine my horror when I browse Reddit /r/starcraft and I click on an innocuous looking thread title, "Good or Evil?," and see this:

[image loading]


That is clearly my photograph, reversed, and used without permission on an MLG pay-per-view broadcast.

How did this happen? I have a theory. In the past, one ESPORTS organization, Liquipedia, asked me for PERMISSION to use that photograph on Sheth's Liquipedia page.


--- Log opened Sun Feb 12 18:33:16 2012
18:33 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Koorb
18:33 <Koorb> Hi there itsjustatank are you here?
20:23 <justatank|bnc> yes
20:23 <itsjustatank> whats up
20:24 <Koorb> Hi there! I was looking for a good picture depicting Sheth,
and I found this one, which if I'm correct is yours:
wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/File:Sheth_at_MLG_Anaheim.jpg
20:25 <itsjustatank> yeah
20:25 <Koorb> And I wondered if you were confortable with me uploading it on the wiki?
20:25 <itsjustatank> yeah, that rezie looks weird though
20:25 <itsjustatank> resize*
20:25 <itsjustatank> did you keep the aspect ratio
20:26 <Koorb> I just cropped the upper side,
maybe your browser need to refresh the page without the cache?
20:27 <itsjustatank> oh that's why
20:28 <itsjustatank> well id kinda prefer the uncropped version but that's just taste
20:41 <itsjustatank> dl.dropbox.com/u/12650804/pics/IMGP1160.jpg
20:42 <itsjustatank> this is at 1000px longest side
20:42 <itsjustatank> how big do you need it
20:42 <itsjustatank> or small
20:42 <Koorb> I'd say, around 400px wide
20:43 <itsjustatank> ok
20:43 <itsjustatank> dl.dropbox.com/u/12650804/pics/IMGP1160.jpg
20:43 <itsjustatank> there it ids
20:43 <itsjustatank> is*
20:43 <Koorb> Looks great, thanks a lot!
20:44 <itsjustatank> no problem


My theory is that MLG just looked up Sheth on Liquipedia, found my photograph adorning it, clicked it, ignored this...

[image loading]


... downloaded the photo, put it through Photoshop to reverse and resize it, and aired it.

MLG, if you can charge the ESPORTS community $20 dollars to view a pay-per-view stream with no free option, you can certainly pay an employee to ask me for permission to use my photographs. Because it was to be used on a pay-per-view basis, and because you are obviously a for-profit enterprise, we would have worked out an acceptable licensing fee or you would have chosen perhaps not to use my photograph after all.

The fact is, however, that you didn't go through the proper legal and ethical channels in putting on production for MLG Winter Arena. I couldn't afford to buy your product this weekend because I've been out of work for a while now, so I wasn't able to see whether or not you pirated any other of my photographs; I can only rely on screencaps from Reddit, I guess.




So i assume you approached sheth and asked him if you could take his image, including a signed contract which gives you full rights to it?

I also assume that you took the proper steps to secure your rights to this picture?

In that case go ahead and complain to MLG or sue them if you feel that it is warranted. If you did not, then maybe you should actually do some research before you slander someone (that is in regards to your thread title, if you did not copyright the picture with all rights reserved before you uploaded it to the internet you actually gave up your rights, therefor no copyright violation can by definition occur).

MLG basically took photos which were public on the internet for these profiles, pictures on wikipedia are almost always free to use, maybe you should have considered that.


That isn't true if the event is making money off of it. Since it is a PPV they are actually breaking the law using it without consent of the copy write holder. If there was a free stream using it, I don't think there would be as much grounds for OP, but hes complaining since its strictly paid for content. You can't just take something from the internet and use it to make money.
frozenrb
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland389 Posts
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#173
On February 27 2012 03:59 TheRhox wrote:
who cares?


Pirating game is bad, bud stealing photo is good ?
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
February 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#174
On February 27 2012 03:46 Yello wrote:
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On February 27 2012 03:36 GertHeart wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:30 ch33psh33p wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:29 GertHeart wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:27 itsjustatank wrote:
On February 27 2012 03:26 nihlon wrote:
If you ask them not to use it they'll probably not use it anymore. Any more would seem like a bit of an overreaction and a waste of your time.


It already aired, there is no way to ask them to remove it. The damage has been done.


The damage has been done? You just got publicity to your name, your name just got out there. What damage? This is all positive towards you. You're making this worse, and people will see you in a more negative light than anything.


No, people WONT see him in a negative light. Look at this thread, the only people being seen in a negative light are posters like you, who feel that LEGAL COPYRIGHT LAWS don't apply to MLG just becuaes they're "helping" eSports? So what, its okay to screw over everyone else? Stop being so selective in your vision. Its really disappointing to think its okay to shit on the little guys.


Negative, It's not about MLG for me here. It's about the guy got free advertising regardless of the source of it. That's the truth, he just got free advertising, and is now putting himself out there telling people about it more, so now he is making his name more known. Problem is, he is bringing drama with it. People won't want to hire him more if he has drama, unnecessary drama.


he didn't got free advertisement because MLG didn't refer to him as the photographer. The only way someone could notice that it was his photo is through this thread.


That's kinda the point, he is giving himself credit here, which would've been fine. He should have just contacted MLG first, let people know "Hey guys one of my photo's made it on MLG! xD" Instead of being so hurt about it. I have a family member who has their art stolen over and over. I understand you can feel frustrated, but you should have just taken this opportunity and capitalized on it instead of making it something negative.
He who conquers the past rules the future, He who conquers the future rules the past. - C&C Red Alert
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
February 26 2012 19:00 GMT
#175
On February 27 2012 03:58 frozenrb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 03:57 Karthane wrote:
Why the fuck is this thread even necessary? Email them about it and settle it privately. It's really not a big deal, i have no idea why you are trying to bring attention to this.


read his words

MLG, if you can charge the ESPORTS community $20 dollars to view a pay-per-view stream with no free option, you can certainly pay an employee to ask me for permission to use my photographs. Because it was to be used on a pay-per-view basis, and because you are obviously a for-profit enterprise, we would have worked out an acceptable licensing fee or you would have chosen perhaps not to use my photograph after all.


I did, he should just e-mail them instead of making a thread. I'm sure they will be more than happy to resolve this..well maybe they would have before he made this thread.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 19:01:24
February 26 2012 19:00 GMT
#176
On February 27 2012 03:57 Karthane wrote:
Why the fuck is this thread even necessary? Email them about it and settle it privately. It's really not a big deal, i have no idea why you are trying to bring attention to this.


I don't see how it's wrong to show us how mlg does it's business.
Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 19:02:42
February 26 2012 19:00 GMT
#177
On February 27 2012 03:24 jarf1337 wrote:
Someone isn't "taking photos for fun" if they are being so lame about their photo being used on a versus screen. You should quit pretending there isn't something at stake for yourself here.


I can relate to the OP the sense that one time I found one of my paintings (that I also did for fun, not money) on somebodys deviantart site with some cheesy lettering and a watermark on it claiming it as their own. I lost my fucking mind, I couldnt remember the last time Ive been so upset over something. You don't get to just steal other people shit and use it without permission. When I use somebodys stock images for reference in a painting I still contact them to see if it is alright, and send them a picture of what I used it for after Im finished. If I saw some of my own work being aired on a PPV broadcast I can only imagine how much more upset I would be. Even though they arent directly profiting off of the work, they are still using it, for free, during an event which they are charging for. You messed up MLG.
krun
Profile Joined August 2011
23 Posts
February 26 2012 19:00 GMT
#178
Please, sue them.
thebike
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
February 26 2012 19:00 GMT
#179
Holy shit, the amount of ignorance regarding copyright law in here is crazy. It's fine to have opinions on the ethical issues regarding the use of this photograph, but please don't make factual statements like "This is legal because..." or "this is illegal because..." when you've never studied copyright law in the United States.
the bike AKA the REGULAR TRAIN
PureBalls
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria383 Posts
February 26 2012 19:00 GMT
#180
On February 27 2012 03:33 djukger wrote:
in germany we have a law whereby you cant take photographs of single persons without their permission, you have to have to have more than 5 ppl on the photo, i think.

btw did you ask the pros that you can commercialize your photos of them?
MLG could probably just have asked you, but see is this way, probably some graphix guy just took the photo and didnt think about it because liquidpedia is basicly open source for SC2 :D

And there is also a law, that enables you to take pictures of public figures w/o having to ask.
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