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rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
January 31 2012 02:43 GMT
#81
On January 31 2012 11:41 kochujang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:35 rotegirte wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:31 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?

It is never ok to forfeit. Just like it is not ok to miss a doctors appointment or exams. The consequences may vary depending on the level of importance.


Of course I can stop writing in the middle of an exam and walk out of the door. And I will get exactly the appropriate points for the correct solutions I have filled in up to that point. And I won't be deducted any points for walking out 1 answer short.

Um... you know, your analogy can be interpreted in many different ways, like Idra would gg/walk out prematurely. I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to tell. Miss exams-> flunk, miss doctors appointment->make a new one.


Yes, and Stephano didn't miss the tournament. He showed up and reached the finals. He then walked out of the door. Same as showing up to the exam and leaving early.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2012 02:44 GMT
#82
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

Tyler - legitimate reason.
Stephano - non-legitimate reason.

end of thread. lol
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 31 2012 02:44 GMT
#83
On January 31 2012 11:43 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:41 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:35 rotegirte wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:31 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?

It is never ok to forfeit. Just like it is not ok to miss a doctors appointment or exams. The consequences may vary depending on the level of importance.


Of course I can stop writing in the middle of an exam and walk out of the door. And I will get exactly the appropriate points for the correct solutions I have filled in up to that point. And I won't be deducted any points for walking out 1 answer short.

Um... you know, your analogy can be interpreted in many different ways, like Idra would gg/walk out prematurely. I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to tell. Miss exams-> flunk, miss doctors appointment->make a new one.


Yes, and Stephano didn't miss the tournament. He showed up and reached the finals. He then walked out of the door. Same as showing up to the exam and leaving early.


leaving the exam early is the same as 2-0ing the whole thing, in and out in a few hours. leaving before the finals is like going, ive got enough points for a B+, might aswell just leave the last 3 questions blank
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
January 31 2012 02:45 GMT
#84
On January 31 2012 11:43 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:41 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:35 rotegirte wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:31 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?

It is never ok to forfeit. Just like it is not ok to miss a doctors appointment or exams. The consequences may vary depending on the level of importance.


Of course I can stop writing in the middle of an exam and walk out of the door. And I will get exactly the appropriate points for the correct solutions I have filled in up to that point. And I won't be deducted any points for walking out 1 answer short.

Um... you know, your analogy can be interpreted in many different ways, like Idra would gg/walk out prematurely. I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to tell. Miss exams-> flunk, miss doctors appointment->make a new one.


Yes, and Stephano didn't miss the tournament. He showed up and reached the finals. He then walked out of the door. Same as showing up to the exam and leaving early.

Lol, I give up.
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 02:46:11
January 31 2012 02:45 GMT
#85
i don't like it when people raising pitchfolks against tyler... BUT

this thread has the same viability as the Stephano FF thread...

the funny thing is the drama around both....... Just another tournament that changed their rules - that's a topic.

THEY FUCKING NEED RULES
and anybody is free to forfeit whatever he wants - this is SPORTS not your kindergarden.
it is hard to be an atheist and deal with day9 (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻ also i stole this too ♞...o_O..oh..and his buddies ♚♛♜♝♟http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295038 don't trust the suits...
NoCatsCradle
Profile Joined January 2012
United States33 Posts
January 31 2012 02:46 GMT
#86
On January 31 2012 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

Tyler - legitimate reason.
Stephano - non-legitimate reason.

end of thread. lol


Illegitimate. Sorry.
No cat. No cradle.
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
January 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#87
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

I love Tyler, for exactly this reason. The man owns up to what he did, and even though it's a perfectly legitimate excuse, he apologizes to all those people who would have loved to see his games!
DMKraft
Profile Joined December 2010
476 Posts
January 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#88
Hope you are OK Tyler, you can win the next one instead.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
January 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#89
On January 31 2012 11:45 kochujang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:43 rotegirte wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:41 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:35 rotegirte wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:31 kochujang wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?

It is never ok to forfeit. Just like it is not ok to miss a doctors appointment or exams. The consequences may vary depending on the level of importance.


Of course I can stop writing in the middle of an exam and walk out of the door. And I will get exactly the appropriate points for the correct solutions I have filled in up to that point. And I won't be deducted any points for walking out 1 answer short.

Um... you know, your analogy can be interpreted in many different ways, like Idra would gg/walk out prematurely. I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to tell. Miss exams-> flunk, miss doctors appointment->make a new one.


Yes, and Stephano didn't miss the tournament. He showed up and reached the finals. He then walked out of the door. Same as showing up to the exam and leaving early.

Lol, I give up.


You never really argued against it, but fair enough. You completely disregard the fact he participated in 99% of the tournament, and draw parallels to "not even showing up".
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#90
Is this thread really necessary?

I think it was pretty clearly defined in the other thread the two forfeits are completely unrelated, also Tylers withdraw had an immensely less impact on the event than Stephanos. What is there even to talk about here?
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
January 31 2012 02:49 GMT
#91
This thread IS necessary!

If the other one is. (and it is)
it is hard to be an atheist and deal with day9 (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻ also i stole this too ♞...o_O..oh..and his buddies ♚♛♜♝♟http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295038 don't trust the suits...
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
January 31 2012 02:50 GMT
#92
When someone forfeits in a tournament, they should be disqualified. It's like leaving a game early, it doesn't matter if you are 5 bases up with the opponent mining from 1 base, if you leave the game early you lose. If you decide you can't finish the tournament, you are removed from the tournament, no matter your standing. Stephano should be happy to receive any prize money at all.

People should be able to quit tournaments at their leisure, as long as they are satisfied with the consequences. There should be nothing personal involved, simply removal from the tournament.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2012 02:50 GMT
#93
On January 31 2012 11:46 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

Tyler - legitimate reason.
Stephano - non-legitimate reason.

end of thread. lol


Illegitimate. Sorry.

you sure?
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
January 31 2012 02:51 GMT
#94
I'm sure he has a legitimate reason, so there is no reason to pry.
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 02:52:51
January 31 2012 02:52 GMT
#95
On January 31 2012 11:50 zefreak wrote:
When someone forfeits in a tournament, they should be disqualified. It's like leaving a game early, it doesn't matter if you are 5 bases up with the opponent mining from 1 base, if you leave the game early you lose. If you decide you can't finish the tournament, you are removed from the tournament, no matter your standing. Stephano should be happy to receive any prize money at all.

People should be able to quit tournaments at their leisure, as long as they are satisfied with the consequences. There should be nothing personal involved, simply removal from the tournament.


yup that would be a good way to handle those situations.

you forteit? your out! end of story. + organizers DON'T let meaningless matches happen!
it is hard to be an atheist and deal with day9 (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻ also i stole this too ♞...o_O..oh..and his buddies ♚♛♜♝♟http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295038 don't trust the suits...
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 31 2012 02:53 GMT
#96
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.


Excellent, thanks Tyler. Can we please close this thread now?
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
January 31 2012 02:53 GMT
#97
This thread should be closed. The only people that see an equivalency between the two situations are absolutists who don't understand that context and extenuating factors actually play a role. Sorry guys but the world is not so black and white, Tyler's forfeit in group stages due to legitimate health problems and Stephano's forfeit in the finals due to poor planning are not equivalent in any reasonable analysis.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3115 Posts
January 31 2012 02:53 GMT
#98
Thanks for giving an explanation so readily, Tyler. You've confirmed my faith in you.

I hope your medical issue gets resolved. Godspeed!
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
January 31 2012 02:53 GMT
#99
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.



Why isn't it the same? Cause there was no money involved? People tuned in to see tyler play just as much as they did for Stephano. Regardless of the circumstances fans were robbed from seeing two popular foreign players compete regardless of tournament position.
NoCatsCradle
Profile Joined January 2012
United States33 Posts
January 31 2012 02:54 GMT
#100
On January 31 2012 11:50 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:46 NoCatsCradle wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

Tyler - legitimate reason.
Stephano - non-legitimate reason.

end of thread. lol


Illegitimate. Sorry.

you sure?


Yes?

I suspect you're misunderstanding the point of my post.
No cat. No cradle.
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