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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 31 2012 03:28 GMT
#141
I love how the OP tried to make himself seem innocent in creating this thread by acting like he was just curious about learning some facts. "Hey guys I just made a thread to ask about why Tyler forfeit even though it's been asked a million times in the other thread." Anyone with a brain would know that creating this thread would just be throwing fuel on the fire. The OP clearly wanted there to be arguments against Tyler and TL.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 31 2012 03:32 GMT
#142
On January 31 2012 12:04 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 12:01 LuckyFool wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:55 turdburgler wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:54 tsuxiit wrote:
This thread shouldn't even exist. Tyler forfeiting the first round of this tournament isn't notable; the only reason we're even discussing it is because Hot_Bid made a post about Stephano and some moron tried to call him out about not talking about TL members forfeiting things. The reaction is totally disproportional to the offense.


the only people being disproportionate are the army of white knights coming to to tylers defence. the OP asked a question in a reasonable and manner way, and tyler replied. its only tylers defenders who are getting stressed out about this.

On January 31 2012 11:54 LuckyFool wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:49 The Void wrote:
This thread IS necessary!

If the other one is. (and it is)


Why? The two things are so insanely different in magnitude I think it's absurd to try to even compare them.

Its like comparing a minor scratch on a windshield to car getting totaled.


minor scratches on windshields dramatically reduce their strength and are a major safety hazard, turned out your metaphor was pretty good after all


lol?



I think this thread is a complete waste of space and unnecessary. Should we start a thread for every first round withdrawal out of every event when a player has an unseen conflict arise?


dont make metaphors if you dont know what your talking about then.

secondly, its not a "first round" he didnt enter this. it was a community invitational. this is the whole reason stephano is getting shit on for his choice. that being said, this isnt an issue, tyler was ill, thats ok. but that doesnt mean to say people cant ask.


So your going to twist my metaphor then claim I don't know what I'm talking about? What is your problem.

If you'd like we can change the windshield to a dent in the bumper.

Is a dent in my bumper the same as my car getting totaled?

Tyler = Dent
Stepanho = Totaled

I hope I don't have to explain why. Does every dent require a thread on TL and a call to the insurance agency?
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 03:34:10
January 31 2012 03:33 GMT
#143
On January 31 2012 12:19 quaffle wrote:
The difference between Tyler's situation and Stephano's situation is: Tyler did not purposefully screw over ONOG. Obviously, as Tyler stated himself, his actions were unjust. However, Stephano (from the information we have), feels little remorse and cost ONOG several viewers when leaving.

In all seriousness, ONOG could win a law suit against Stephano. The problem being, each side would waste more money in the courts... (and the whole foreign countries thing...)

Players have a right to forfeit in almost all sport situations......... unless its stated within the tournaments law books. A lot (not all but a lot) of e-sports fans think they are some princess in need of care or something. Its up to the tournament organizers to make the tournament enticing enough for players not to forfeit in them. Again, it is unprofessional from Stephano to forfeit like that but its within his right. I'm not faulting ONOG, but I hope ONOG learns the lesson not to invite people who are already registered in another tournament bigger than them on the same day. The players will always give more importance to the bigger tournament.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 03:33:38
January 31 2012 03:33 GMT
#144
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
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On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


well he has a point, you can't treat one person one way and another a completely different way. I think this thread is also pretty unnecessary, if people want to know small and rather pointless details about a player you go to their twitter and find out.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
January 31 2012 03:57 GMT
#145
I certainly don't see the big deal with tyler forfeiting a match due to medical issues. Its not like he didn't want to play after he agreed to it.
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holydevil
Profile Joined August 2010
United States145 Posts
January 31 2012 04:05 GMT
#146
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.



Thank you.


Now can everyone put down the pitchforks against Tyler, Stephano and ONOG?


So much crazyiness.

I think this should be our new logo: http://i.imgur.com/xE9g5.jpg

Thoughts?
GreyMasta
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada197 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 04:29:58
January 31 2012 04:29 GMT
#147
ok so now that things are settled here

- let's close this thread
- than go to the other one
- and proceed to do some more exquisite french-bashing, shall we?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 31 2012 04:32 GMT
#148
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.


Sounds good. Let's move on now.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
January 31 2012 04:37 GMT
#149
Why are people even trying to have discussion on Tyler's professionalism? We don't have enough information to really justify whether or not Tyler did something unreasonable. For all we know he could have had a discussion with a ref and forfeited based on a very legitimate medical concern. If people want to discuss forfeits and professionalism in general then why isn't the discussion continued in the original thread?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
January 31 2012 06:14 GMT
#150
On January 31 2012 11:53 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.



Why isn't it the same? Cause there was no money involved? People tuned in to see tyler play just as much as they did for Stephano. Regardless of the circumstances fans were robbed from seeing two popular foreign players compete regardless of tournament position.


Fans aren't entitled to jack. And the exaggeration of robbed as if it was Tyler robbing both his and catz fans of the match, which is almost suggesting Tyler doesn't care for the fans. Get over it.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
January 31 2012 06:58 GMT
#151
On January 31 2012 13:05 holydevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.



Thank you.


Now can everyone put down the pitchforks against Tyler, Stephano and ONOG?


So much crazyiness.

I think this should be our new logo: http://i.imgur.com/xE9g5.jpg

Thoughts?


that's a good logo, but this is better

http://i.imgur.com/pEXzV.jpg
jliu
Profile Joined March 2011
282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 07:06:21
January 31 2012 07:04 GMT
#152
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

Sorry to hear
Sounds quite different from the Stephano situation regarding the semantics of the situation. For those complaining, when has any professional athlete (football, basketball, etc..) ever gotten legitimate flak for skipping a game for medical reasons?

Tyler I doubt you'll read this or take notice, but for the heck of it if there's anything a netizen can do, let me know.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
January 31 2012 07:08 GMT
#153
On January 31 2012 16:04 jliu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time.

Sorry to hear
Sounds quite different from the Stephano situation regarding the semantics of the situation. For those complaining, when has any professional athlete (football, basketball, etc..) ever gotten legitimate flak for skipping a game for medical reasons?

Tyler I doubt you'll read this or take notice, but for the heck of it if there's anything a netizen can do, let me know.



quite often.

Depends on the injury of course.
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Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
January 31 2012 07:11 GMT
#154
tyler already cleared all this up why is this thread still open?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
January 31 2012 07:35 GMT
#155
On January 31 2012 16:11 Detwiler wrote:
tyler already cleared all this up why is this thread still open?


Because people think Tyler should be exiled like Stephano is.
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
January 31 2012 08:09 GMT
#156
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?


When it matter the least in the tournament. Now do your maths!
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
January 31 2012 08:26 GMT
#157
Wow, sorry this took so long Tyler.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
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