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VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
January 31 2012 02:27 GMT
#41
it was only group stages games, Idras done the same before at IPL.. ( i think? )
This doesn't really call for a witch-hunt... but stephanos case on the other hand... a finals match? is a bit absurd
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 31 2012 02:28 GMT
#42
On January 31 2012 11:26 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:22 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?


I've run tournaments and leagues, but he FFed when he was not gonna make it out of a group, wasn't on stream and it had no change on the tournament. It's not "okay" but its not a big deal like everyone is making it to be. You need to judge these when they happen, Stephano FFed the finals there is a clear difference when your 0-3 or 0-4 ( I don't remember) and your not effecting the tournament at all. Now if Tyler was going to be streamed, then it's iffy because he's messing with the viewers. It's never "right" to FF, but this isn't a big deal at all. I don't get why people are on a witch hunt.


edit: nobody even knows why he dropped out, he could of been sick. He also has his depression stuff, give the guy some slack for christsakes, he's done so much for BW and the SC2 community. It's not like he has a consistent pattern of this, nor is he messing the tournamanent up like stephano.


how can you say it didnt affect things. for all we know if tyler had played stephano would never of made the finals

hmm. I will disagree with your second sentence.
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FauvFauv
Profile Joined November 2011
United States34 Posts
January 31 2012 02:28 GMT
#43
i for one would like to know why tyler didn't play out his matches

for me personally, it's on the same level of what stephano did
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2012 02:28 GMT
#44
lol. the retaliation thread by the stephano fan base.

tl.nets want to close it, but they are afraid of bias..... lol... the dilemma...
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
January 31 2012 02:29 GMT
#45
On January 31 2012 11:26 turdburgler wrote:

how can you say it didnt affect things. for all we know if tyler had played stephano would never of made the finals


He was already 0-2 against CatZ, who was basically guaranteed to 2-0 Rotterdam (no offense, Rotti!). He would then have to play Rotterdam in PvP, which is Rotterdam's best matchup and coinflippy as hell, and then Stephano, who nobody would be surprised to see 2-0 Tyler.

Losing to CatZ essentially knocked him out of the group (and tournament) barring a miracle.
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brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
January 31 2012 02:30 GMT
#46
On January 31 2012 10:49 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:46 TylerThaCreator wrote:
Tyler's actions haven't really been followed up on because it was group play and it didn't affect anyone's standings in the tourney. It's probably just anger at himself for losing and not wanting to show a 0-4 result in that group (likely). It's a shame...IDK why nony can't shine like he did in BW..big shame.


It was a bit unfair to Catz who had to risk losing to him whereas Stephano and Rotterdam were given free wins.

No, even if Catz has lost and Tyler forfeit after that, they will still give him the win (aka walkover for everyone like as if that game was never played)
I hate all this singing
BlueEagle
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 02:31:51
January 31 2012 02:30 GMT
#47
On January 31 2012 11:15 Jono7272 wrote:
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On January 31 2012 11:14 Selendis wrote:
See the difference is that Tyler has a mental illness, Stephano does not. Tyler wasn't being a jerk, he was occupied with fighting his own black dog, give him a break.

No ones making him accept tournament invites.. There are loads of better players out there who would have loved the spot.


You can't just pick and choose when a mental illness is going to take hold. Or are you suggesting he shouldn't accept any invites on the basis he might not feel up to it?

This is assuming that he did pull out because he wasn't feeling right. If he just did it because he couldn't be arsed, that's a different matter
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 02:31:48
January 31 2012 02:31 GMT
#48
On January 31 2012 11:28 FauvFauv wrote:
i for one would like to know why tyler didn't play out his matches

for me personally, it's on the same level of what stephano did

Really? Forfeiting in the first round is the same level as forfeiting in the finals when you already delayed the tournament by playing in different one?
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kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
January 31 2012 02:31 GMT
#49
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?

It is never ok to forfeit. Just like it is not ok to miss a doctors appointment or exams. The consequences may vary depending on the level of importance.
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
January 31 2012 02:31 GMT
#50
For those of you who feel the urge to insult Tyler in anyway based on his current game play or discredit him.

Remember, he deserves respect from what he did in BW he was a great foreigner. Right now he may be having troubles in Starcraft 2 and what not but before you write something, remember to be respectful he deserves it.

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To Mods: Perhaps this post isn't needed on my part since I am not contributing to the conversation but I wanted to say it because it extremely frustrates me when I see people just go "Oh tyler is bad" or say things that are disrespectful.
NoCatsCradle
Profile Joined January 2012
United States33 Posts
January 31 2012 02:31 GMT
#51
On January 31 2012 11:30 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:49 NoCatsCradle wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:46 TylerThaCreator wrote:
Tyler's actions haven't really been followed up on because it was group play and it didn't affect anyone's standings in the tourney. It's probably just anger at himself for losing and not wanting to show a 0-4 result in that group (likely). It's a shame...IDK why nony can't shine like he did in BW..big shame.


It was a bit unfair to Catz who had to risk losing to him whereas Stephano and Rotterdam were given free wins.

No, even if Catz has lost and Tyler forfeit after that, they will still give him the win (aka walkover for everyone like as if that game was never played)


How are we to speculate about the whims of the tournament organizers given their cavalier attitude toward applying arbitrary standards in the first place?
No cat. No cradle.
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 02:35:02
January 31 2012 02:31 GMT
#52
every fucking player should be able to forfeit his games if he doesn't want to play (any time)!!!!!

facing the set reguralities, though, made by the organizers!!! lol ^^

IT IS JUST A MATTER OF HOW TO ORGANIZE and MAKE RULES! just as shitty as gsl/gom......

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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 31 2012 02:32 GMT
#53
On January 31 2012 11:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
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On January 31 2012 11:10 NoCatsCradle wrote:
On January 31 2012 11:01 PikaXchU wrote:
Why does this thread even exist?


It has Hot_Bid's explicit approval.

Do you question his judgement?

Excuse me, what?

LOL!!!

Called the fuck out.
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dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 02:36:29
January 31 2012 02:32 GMT
#54
On January 31 2012 11:28 dAPhREAk wrote:
lol. the retaliation thread by the stephano fan base.

tl.nets want to close it, but they are afraid of bias..... lol... the dilemma...


Nail on head my friend..... its so ugly.... i can't stop laughing....going straight to hell.

I won't bump again... they should close both. Players mess up, they don't owe use more than they give.
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
January 31 2012 02:33 GMT
#55
Ask him on his twitter, he knows more than anyone else...

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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
January 31 2012 02:33 GMT
#56
Why speculate when you do not know? So pointless. Group stages and finals are different.
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seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
January 31 2012 02:34 GMT
#57
I don't care about forfeiting the first round, I do care about forfeiting the finals though.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
January 31 2012 02:34 GMT
#58
On January 31 2012 11:31 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 11:30 brachester wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 NoCatsCradle wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:46 TylerThaCreator wrote:
Tyler's actions haven't really been followed up on because it was group play and it didn't affect anyone's standings in the tourney. It's probably just anger at himself for losing and not wanting to show a 0-4 result in that group (likely). It's a shame...IDK why nony can't shine like he did in BW..big shame.


It was a bit unfair to Catz who had to risk losing to him whereas Stephano and Rotterdam were given free wins.

No, even if Catz has lost and Tyler forfeit after that, they will still give him the win (aka walkover for everyone like as if that game was never played)


How are we to speculate about the whims of the tournament organizers given their cavalier attitude toward applying arbitrary standards in the first place?

That's pretty much how all group play tournaments in all sports and sc2 works, so i assume they would do the same thing
I hate all this singing
DeLoReAn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
January 31 2012 02:34 GMT
#59
Do you hold every player to the same standard no matter what the game/tournament or do you only point out single instances that are "bigger" (tournament finals). I do not know the answer but I think that is the right question to be asking.
Dota2 is my escape.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
January 31 2012 02:35 GMT
#60
On January 31 2012 11:31 kochujang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote:
On January 31 2012 10:48 NoCatsCradle wrote:
Pretty unprofessional behavior by Tyler.

I wonder if this incident will prevent tournament organizers from inviting him in the future.



Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match.

Community starting unneeded drama as always.


At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals?

It is never ok to forfeit. Just like it is not ok to miss a doctors appointment or exams. The consequences may vary depending on the level of importance.


Of course I can stop writing in the middle of an exam and walk out of the door. And I will get exactly the appropriate points for the correct solutions I have filled in up to that point. And I won't be deducted any points for walking out 1 answer short.
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