EPTIf he pulled out because of unforeseen and unavoidable or health issues then that is a valid reason.
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Bart
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If he pulled out because of unforeseen and unavoidable or health issues then that is a valid reason. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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NoCatsCradle
United States33 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:01 PikaXchU wrote: Why does this thread even exist? It has Hot_Bid's explicit approval. Do you question his judgement? | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
That seems unduly hurtful towards Tyler IMO. But maybe that's the new editorial direction of TL, if it gets enough posts it proves it's news. | ||
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Selendis
Australia509 Posts
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On January 31 2012 10:49 nGBeast wrote: Give me a fucking break, all you people who were bitching in the other thread about Tyler FF is not the same as Stephano FF a finals match. Community starting unneeded drama as always. I agree with this, people need to cut tyler some slack. We don't know if he was sick or what. That being said I really hope to see Tyler start doing better, I have always been a big fan of his because of BW. | ||
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cscarfo1
United States307 Posts
Why even create a thread like this. The Stephano and Tyler scenario are so far about, can't even be compared. Stupid thread | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:14 Selendis wrote: See the difference is that Tyler has a mental illness, Stephano does not. Tyler wasn't being a jerk, he was occupied with fighting his own black dog, give him a break. No ones making him accept tournament invites.. There are loads of better players out there who would have loved the spot. | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:10 NoCatsCradle wrote: It has Hot_Bid's explicit approval. Do you question his judgement? Can you cite this "explicit approval"? | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:03 Bart wrote: I dunno... thing is Tyler was invited (which is a privilege) and if you accept the invite it means you are suppose to commit yourself to playing in the tournament. If someone forfeits after just one series the person is not only depriving the tournament and the fans of 2 other series but deprived a pro-gamer who could have been invited in the person's place the opportunity to play good games and maybe break out. It also makes other tournament organisers think twice about giving a tournament invite to the person in the future. If he pulled out because of unforeseen and unavoidable or health issues then that is a valid reason. Yeah, I agree with this. Tyler is really pushing his luck. He hasn't done anything of merit to deserve getting invitations and now he seems to throw away his popularity, the only thing he has going for him. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:16 AndAgain wrote: Yeah, I agree with this. Tyler is really pushing his luck. He hasn't done anything of merit to deserve getting invitations and now he seems to throw away his popularity, the only thing he has going for him. He probably doesn't care about that. I can imagine him being more frustrated at his play. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:14 Selendis wrote: See the difference is that Tyler has a mental illness, Stephano does not. Tyler wasn't being a jerk, he was occupied with fighting his own black dog, give him a break. We don't know that Stephano isn't depressed, in all fairness to him. For all we know, he struggles with insomnia and needs to maintain a really tight sleep schedule, and HAD to go to bed at that time or he wouldn't have been functional for a long period of time since it's really hard for some people to get their cycle fixed once it's broken. Obviously I have no idea and this is just conjecture, but you can't just go and say "well Stephano has nothing wrong with him so he has no excuse" because we don't know. To be more on-topic, I would guess that it is depression-related. It's fairly common for people who are depressed to "give up" a lot more easily than "normal people" when they feel like they have no chance of succeeding. It's just part of the condition. Tyler's very critical of his own play, and he was probably too frustrated and disappointed to continue, knowing/thinking he was just going to play "poorly" and lose out whether he played or not. Yeah, I agree with this. Tyler is really pushing his luck. He hasn't done anything of merit to deserve getting invitations and now he seems to throw away his popularity, the only thing he has going for him. He was one of if not the best foreigners in BW, and yes, that legacy does mean he deserves respect, whether you personally care or not. He's also one of the most beloved community members, and you have to keep in mind that we're talking about a tournament where QxGFlo, Rotterdam, CatZ, and Destiny were invited... Tyler is hardly the least accomplished of the people who played. | ||
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NoCatsCradle
United States33 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:45 Hot_Bid wrote: We did not make a thread about Polt. Are you saying we should have? Or that us not making a thread about Polt is somehow unfair? Please clarify. Because I am pretty sure we were right not to make a thread about Polt. However, if you feel that there is an epidemic of forfeits and it is discussion worthy, you can make a thread about all of them in SC2 General with a nice OP. Did you make a thread about Polt? You can. FUCK. Got Tyler and Polt mixed up. Meh. | ||
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
On January 31 2012 10:56 memcpy wrote: At what point exactly does it become ok to forfeit? Group play, ro16, ro8, ro4, finals? I've run tournaments and leagues, but he FFed when he was not gonna make it out of a group, wasn't on stream and it had no change on the tournament. It's not "okay" but its not a big deal like everyone is making it to be. You need to judge these when they happen, Stephano FFed the finals there is a clear difference when your 0-3 or 0-4 ( I don't remember) and your not effecting the tournament at all. Now if Tyler was going to be streamed, then it's iffy because he's messing with the viewers. It's never "right" to FF, but this isn't a big deal at all. I don't get why people are on a witch hunt. edit: nobody even knows why he dropped out, he could of been sick. He also has his depression stuff, give the guy some slack for christsakes, he's done so much for BW and the SC2 community. It's not like he has a consistent pattern of this, nor is he messing the tournamanent up like stephano. | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
Tyler doesn't matter! /irony off | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36400 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:10 NoCatsCradle wrote: It has Hot_Bid's explicit approval. Do you question his judgement? Excuse me, what? | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:19 Gamegene wrote: He probably doesn't care about that. I can imagine him being more frustrated at his play. His popularity is the only think keeping esports as his profession. Maybe in the moment he forfeited he didn't care, but generally speaking I'd say he must. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:22 nGBeast wrote: I've run tournaments and leagues, but he FFed when he was not gonna make it out of a group, wasn't on stream and it had no change on the tournament. It's not "okay" but its not a big deal like everyone is making it to be. You need to judge these when they happen, Stephano FFed the finals there is a clear difference when your 0-3 or 0-4 ( I don't remember) and your not effecting the tournament at all. Now if Tyler was going to be streamed, then it's iffy because he's messing with the viewers. It's never "right" to FF, but this isn't a big deal at all. I don't get why people are on a witch hunt. edit: nobody even knows why he dropped out, he could of been sick. He also has his depression stuff, give the guy some slack for christsakes, he's done so much for BW and the SC2 community. It's not like he has a consistent pattern of this, nor is he messing the tournamanent up like stephano. how can you say it didnt affect things. for all we know if tyler had played stephano would never of made the finals | ||
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