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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:22 paralleluniverse wrote: Governments get money by issuing bonds, not necessarily by borrowing from banks. True, but the banks underwrite the bonds and buy them at auction for resale as principle so there is a grain of truth to the OP. Its a very sweet deal for the banks. Not saying its a conspiracy though. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:28 Manit0u wrote: This has nothing to do with Juwes or Judaism. It is true that there's just a few families who control most of the world's wealth. Most famous are of course Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Morgans. They've founded (and de facto control) US Federal Reserve, WHO, World Bank and a couple of other institutions like that (I don't remember them all from the top of my head). All of them are also known to use their insider market knowledge to make immense profits on crisises (recession, recent world crisis etc.) and even deliberately causing them. And before that you even had Empires and slavery was worldwide. Now come on please. What's the point exactly ? These families are bad and secret descendants of Egyptian pharaos that actually were aliens that came down here to provide us with future but lost technologies? edit : fuck im a reaver | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:26 ambient_orange wrote: great post but it brings a simple logical question.. why it was so hard for president to simply take a small army and take those bankers and hang them. I mean thats as simple as effective. Seriously i dont understand a more effective and legal way to deal with the money created from thin air. Ok. I just want to state that I dont belive in this but isnt the whole idea that the president etc are all puppets to the system? Which also would explain why they dont act. Anyway, I think this could be an interesting discussion if people that actually knew somthing about economics decided to post what they think instead of the "this is not a good thread" posters. The people that just are here to ruin the thread should stay away. Would be nice if admins could hand out some warnings. | ||
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ambient_orange
170 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:28 Equity213 wrote: Oh boy. Global Banking conspiracy stuff.... Hey if you look on Metalopolis inbetween the 12 and 3 oclock base there is a building that has a sign on it that says FED with a freemason symbol over it, it reads "Global Elite Control". See, they are in your video games too! Im not gunna play the antisemtic card either, thats retarded. I think the OP is silly, but if all you see in it "the jews did it" then you have issues too. whats your point about this thread? i fail to understand. That the knowledge is useless and mind made fiction? I thought it was about facts and knowing whats up... | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:31 Robinsa wrote: Ok. I just want to state that I dont belive in this but isnt the whole idea that the president etc are all puppets to the system? Which also would explain why they dont act. Anyway, I think this could be an interesting discussion if people that actually knew somthing about economics decided to post what they think instead of the "this is not a good thread" posters. The people that just are here to ruin the thread should stay away. Would be nice if admins could hand out some warnings. maybe because all this crap plagues every single internet board and that there are more than enough already ? | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:34 _Darwin_ wrote: But when do I take my third when facing 2 gate FE? you should be able to handle it as early as against forge fe with proper ling micro and ammount. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:34 MCMXVI wrote: I applaud you for taking your time to write this down! Don't listen to people who tries to drag you down (like 4 of the 5 posters above). "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Since you ridicule the truth that this is false, does that mean you will then violently oppose it and after that it will become self-evident that this thread is false? | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:32 Boonbag wrote: maybe because all this crap plagues every single internet board and that there are more than enough already ? Well he obviously spent more time than most OPs do and I dont think that neither you or me are the ones to decide what can be discussed here and not. If people doesnt show any interest the thread will die and thats fine but if it doesnt it means that its something people want to discuss. Let them. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:22 paralleluniverse wrote: Governments get money by issuing bonds, not necessarily by borrowing from banks. Governments pay back debt by insuring GDP growth, and in turn tax receipts, increases at a rate that covers the interest owed on the bonds they issue. For the US, the interest rate is virtually zero, making the bonds (or debt) they are issuing now, very easy to pay back. The central bank, while independent of the government, can also print money and target inflation. Inflation erodes the real value of debt, i.e. it lowers the real value of debt over time, making it easier to pay back. But inflation has tons of problems in of itself and massive amounts of debt no matter what are still hard to pay off. Germany just recently payed off the money it owed for ww1, haiti still hasn't payed off france(france charged them a ridicules sum for the cost of recognizing the haitians as a people after their rebellion) even healthy countries like canada and the us have debts going back decades (like the money owed from the cost of the education reform that took place after ww2) debt sucks even if the inflation rates are almost nill, another thing though is that given the vastness of a country like america their loans are going to be massive, so even if the interest rate is only 0.01 percent your still making a pretty big profit in terms of sheer money. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17182 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:31 paralleluniverse wrote: Last I checked Bernanke does not equal Rothschild, Rockefeller or Morgan. It only matters who controls the chairman. Not who the chairman is. Besides, he's just one of 12 people in charge if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:32 ambient_orange wrote: whats your point about this thread? i fail to understand. That the knowledge is useless and mind made fiction? I thought it was about facts and knowing whats up... Ok I will rewrite my post for you, I made 3 points: 1- Look at that thing in Metalopolis, I think its funny and interesting. 2- The idea of a global banking conspiracy is retarded 3- I dont agree with the people callign the OP anti-semetic clear enough? | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:44 Manit0u wrote: It only matters who controls the chairman. Not who the chairman is. And who controls the chairman? How do you know this exactly? Are you some kind of insider or is that just speculation? Its ALL speculation which is why this stuff is so unproductive. By the way the president appoints the chairman of the fed. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17182 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:45 Equity213 wrote: 2- The idea of a global banking conspiracy is retarded Why? @Equity123: When's the last time you've seen a US president without Rockefeller at his side? | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:42 gumshoe wrote: But inflation has tons of problems in of itself and massive amounts of debt no matter what are still hard to pay off. Germany just recently payed off the money it owed for ww1, haiti still hasn't payed off france(france charged them a ridicules sum for the cost of recognizing the haitians as a people after their rebellion) even healthy countries like canada and the us have debts going back decades (like the money owed from the cost of the education reform that took place after ww2) debt sucks even if the inflation rates are almost nill, another thing though is that given the vastness of a country like america their loans are going to be massive, so even if the interest rate is only 0.01 percent your still making a pretty big profit in terms of sheer money. Debt does not suck. No debt means your not doing anything useful. It means the government has the capacity to do more (whether it's upgrading infrastructure, investing in research, giving away free cars to everyone, whatever), but does nothing instead. Too much debt is of course bad, but the US is nowhere near that point. | ||
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ambient_orange
170 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:45 Equity213 wrote: Ok I will rewrite my post for you, I made 3 points: 1- Look at that thing in Metalopolis, I think its funny and interesting. 2- The idea of a global banking conspiracy is retarded 3- I dont agree with the people callign the OP anti-semetic clear enough? The problem is, its not conspiracy. I always wondered why countries have debts.. just trade debts and almost all countries will be out of debts. Its not conspiracy by any means.Your only solution to solve this "conspiracy" is to mock it :D While i agree its pretty funny i do say its quite important to stop being ignorant and behave as an adult in not letting goverments act stupidly with stupid laws. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:37 zalz wrote: Since you ridicule the truth that this is false, does that mean you will then violently oppose it and after that it will become self-evident that this thread is false? What are you even trying to say man? whats false about this thread? What false about the fact that the Rothschild family became incredibly wealthy and used their wealth to become even more wealthy at any cost? Whats false about the fact that a nations leader saw debt as a threat to his people and sought to rid them of it as best he could? Is it the ops background that you doubt? Do you think he's a 12 year old kid trying to stir up a common storm on the internet? All He's doing is reaffirming something that were all to a certain extent aware of and adding a bit more colour to it. Look I know you've seen one too many of these threads and I'm not asking you too agree with him, just ask your self these three questions. Has op conveyed his opinion well? Is their an particular reason we shouldn't be discussing this topic on tl? Is there even the remote possibility that what he's suggesting (a capitalist society can be exploited if you control its wealth and this has in fact happened in the past) is true? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
I cant agree with everything the op writes, i have no clue about the rothshields or rockefellers and their influence. I do know though,by simply looking at facts wich are made public , that the banking industry somehow manages to get huge amounts of monney for free from the governments. Like the last action, the 1% loan the central european bank gave to the banks in europe to combat the crisis. The banks wrote into this loan for a totall of ~ 600 trillion euro giving weak assets as collateral. The bank then immediatly lends all that monney out again for 3-4% by buying bonds and isueing mortgages. This is just a free 3% gift to the banks, and with a sum of 600 trillion this amounts to 18 trillion a year income the banks basicly get for free. There is NO risk, they are even allowed to use verry weak assests (wich have a value lower then then loan) as collateral. The deal with greece, 60% haircut on the bonds voluntarely, does that not hurt the banks then? No that does not hurt the banks at all, since the banks get compensated for this (see the 600 trillion loan for 1% amongst other measures), it only hurts the private investors who are forced to go along with the banks and who dont get compensation. | ||
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