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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:05:23
January 22 2012 11:56 GMT
#1
Before i get started i would like to introduce myself.
i am a 25 years old male student from sweden who have studied history for 2 years and economic history for another 2 years. But aside from my university studies i have spent countless of sleepless nights reading course litterature for economic studies and other relevant stuff.

I also need to reveal some details about my family and ancestors, because much of my knowledge has been passed down from my parents and grand parents.

My Ancestors on my fathers side used to be one of the richest and most prominent families in the baltic states. They owned a massive amount of real estate in tallin and the royal family had granted them the right to collect toll from every trade ship that reached the harbour of tallinn, of wich they were allowed to keep a certain percentage while the rest went to the royal house. There are still huge squares, city houses and roads in tallinn named after my family and the Estonian 5 Krooni coin (=0.5euro) carries my family sigil (a roe deer)

My Great grandfather, Jaan, became an artist and moved to Paris and lived in artist collective "La Ruche" along prominent artists such as Salvador Dali and Marc Shagal. While he lived in paris, he became a close friend with Lenin. He moved to moscow where he reached a high rank in the communist party, and was named the headmaster of the University of Arts in Moscow. he lived two blocks from Stalin, whom he had political disputes with. Because my grandfather KNEW, what todays historicans know too, that Stalin was a Businessman, a Banker, at Heart. When Stalin took over my Great grandfather was killed and my ancestors were forced to flee, and my grandfather managed to make it to sweden where he became a succesful businessman and double-proffessor owning several swiss wineyards and mansions. But thats enough of my Family History. Now, we are going to move on to a much more prominent, perhaps the most influencal family to ever arise among mankind.

I mentioned in my brief family story that Stalin was a banker at heart. The truth is, before he became head of the USSR, he worked for a certain bank cartel's office in russia. This is well documented in many biographies about stalins life and its not some "shady-conspiracy". He worked for a banking office called N.M Rothschild and Sons. Who are the Rothschilds? well, there is so much to say about them that it could, and have, filled two long books written by the Harvard Professor Nial Ferguson.

To make a very long and shady history short, the rothschild family derives from Mayer Amshell Bauer, a jewish small time gold trader in frankfurt. He was not born a rich man, but he had a grand plan. He knew, from early age, how he would lay the foundation for the most powerful family in the world.

He managed to befriend the Prince, who granted his bank the royal sigil; wich meant that his small bank overnight became the biggest one in the country. But Bauer, who now had changed his name to Rothschild (Red Sheild) because of the big red round door to his town mansion, did not stop there. He had five sons, and he had every detail of their future planned out. He sent each of them to different prominent European countries (Brittain, France, Naples, etc) where they where all instructed to start Banks. But not "Regular", contemporal banks; Rothschild had invented two new business models that turned out to become two of the most succesfull ones in history: federal banking and International bank cartels

Much like the Medicis and Fuggers before them, there had been big bankers before the Roths with a monopoly on issuing loans to governments, but they all went bankrupt eventually. But Mayer had found the Key to success and stability. It was the fact that with all five sons, with prominent banks in different capitals and with strong bonds to each others through a network of information that was unheard of at that time, that gave the rothschild banking dynasty such immense power. The other bank dynasties before them had mostly failed because of bank runs: they became to greedy, issued more loans than they could support and then when people came back to claim their money they stood empty handed and were often hanged.

But The Rothschilds were safe. Because if a bank run occured to the Brittish rothschild branch, his french brother could always supply him with enough coin to survive. This way, the Rothschilds were able to survive and prevail through national recessions.

but perhaps most important of all, their network of information gave them more knowledge of what was going on in europe than any other family or organisation at their time. This meant that they knew where to invest, when to invest, and when to sell, because noone had better knowledge of the european market, diplomatic relations between nations and the value of different resources in different nations than the united five sons of Rothschild. Very quickly they built up an immense fortune that rivaled the monarchs and royalties of europe.

Even though the Rothschilds were very secretive about their business, their reputation spread fast. The Kings and Queens of Europe became immensivley impressed by this family who had raised from rags to extreme wealth over just a generation, so most of the european monarchs actually came to seek the Rothschilds advice on financing. And this was the final door that the family had sought to unlock, because with the drunken, degenerate monarchs in their cunning pockets, they could finally reach the goal their grandfather had set up for them: to achieve a monopoly on banking in europe.

How did they abuse their connections to the monarchs? well, take a guess here. What is the most EXPENSIVE thing a nation can invest in?
its WAR.
The Rothschilds issued astronomically huge loans and funded each side in the various european wars that took place during the 19th century. AND THIS; LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS HOW OUR HUGE NATIONAL DEBTS CAME INTO EXISTANCE. Many countries are still paying off interest on loans that are several hundred years old, and they keep growing.

The Rothschilds already possessed a very significant fortune before the start of Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815), and the family had gained preeminence in the bullion trade by this time. From London in 1813 to 1815, Nathan Mayer Rothschild was instrumental in almost single-handedly financing the British war effort, and the French war effort, financing the shipment of bullion to the Duke of Wellington's armies across Europe, as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their Continental allies. In 1815 alone, the Rothschilds provided £9.8 million (in 1815 currency, about £566 million today when using the retail price index, and £6.58 billion when using average earnings in subsidy loans to Britain's continental allies

The basis for the Rothschild's most famously profitable move was made after the news of British victory had been made public. Nathan Rothschild calculated that the future reduction in government borrowing brought about by the peace would create a bounce in British government bonds after a two year stabilisation, which would finalise the post-war re-structuring of the domestic economy. In what has been described as one of the most audacious moves in financial history, Nathan immediately bought up the government bond market, for what at the time seemed an excessively high price, before waiting two years, then selling the bonds on the crest of short bounce in the market in 1817 for a 40% profit. Given the sheer power of leverage the Rothschild family had at its disposal, this profit was an enormous sum.

Shortly after It was estimated by the only financial report to ever investigate the Rothschild fortune that by this time, the total wealth of the Rothschild Family exceeded 6billion pounds (translates to TRILLIONS in todays index) This sum was estimated to make up about 40% of the total money in europe at that time and according to scholars and economics, it was by far the largest private fortune to ever exist in the history of mankind.


Now, enough about the Rothschilds family history; what im trying to get to with this short "essay" is that Capitalism, Liberalism or whatever you wanna call it is not what we have been taught. There is no Free Market, there is only monopoly. There is no relevant political debate, because allow me to quote Nathan Rothschild (1777-1836)

" i care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, …The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply"

Politicans have no power what so ever. We live in a world where cash is king, and money can only be created by loaning money from the privately owned banks. Money IS Debt, and the debt does not belong to a welfare state who cares about their citizens, it owes to a few greedy men on the top of the giant pyramid scheme that we call "Capitalism".

I talked earlier about Stalin and his connections with the Rothschilds. Through Stalin, the Rothschild funded the russian revolution and made extremley profitable oil business with the USSR, while at the same time supplying the German, Japanese and Brittish War machines. After the fall of USSR, the Rothschild kept their grasp over the russian oil market through oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, whom after he was sentanced to prison by putin "donated" his fortune and oil shares to Baron Lord Jacob Rothschild (this was made public news that even the daily news reported on)

This is how the international banking class operates (and the rothschilds are far from alone, im using them as a prominent example)
For example, the Jewish Rothschild and Lazarus families supplied great loans to Adolf Hitler, money that was used to fund the holocaust. The American Rockefellers and J.P Morgan banks issued great loans to Japan to fund their war against the US, including the pearl harbour incident. THAT is how far the bankers are willing to go to make big money.


The Rothschilds laid the Foundation for this pyramid scheme when they bought up the majority shares in the european banks and created "Federal Banks" with a monopoly on issuing loans to governments. This essentially means that every penny your government spends on Social security, Army, Welfare reforms or whatever, is a due to the privately owned Banks. The only way for a nation, person or company to create money is to borrow from the private banks. And how are we supposed to pay back our national debts if the only way to create considerable amounts of money is to borrow more? its like trying to dig yourself out of a pit. As a wise Author once wrote:

"The Wealth of the international banking class consists of the bankrupcy of Nations"

I am by no means saying that the Rothschild family itself Controls the world (actually, aside from the state of Israel, they have very little political interest) I am merely pointing out their role in laying the foundation for the system that now dominates the Earth. And i guess it must be assumed that they are still the by far wealthiest family in the world, as they recently bought up all the remaining coal and aliminium reserves in the world. Economy insiders speculate that their Fortune is counted in the hundreds of Trillions, but its all tucked away in family trustfunds that are impossible for outsiders to measure (wich is how they keep Forbes and the likes away

It should be noted that the American Politicans and presidents fought, and died, to keep this banking system out of America. Andrew Jackson, one of the bravest presidents of all time, managed to abolish the (rothschild controlled) first bank of America. Here are a few Quotes by him:

"I have always been afraid of banks."

"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes"

"Mischief springs from the power which the moneyed interest derives from a paper currency which they are able to control, from the multitude of corporations with exclusive privileges... which are employed altogether for their benefit."

"I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country"

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."


you no take candle
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
January 22 2012 14:06 GMT
#2
UPDATED. I know this might be common knowledge to lots of people but its important to spread the word and educate as many as possible.
you no take candle
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
January 22 2012 14:10 GMT
#3
This is a very elaborate "The jews did it" post.

I would warn anyone from consuming this mind poison.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
January 22 2012 14:11 GMT
#4
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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 22 2012 14:13 GMT
#5
whats up these days with all these shit threads ?

User was warned for this post
IveReturned
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Turkey258 Posts
January 22 2012 14:19 GMT
#6
Incredibly bad answers these days.

Ive been reading about these stuff lately. Could be an interesting topic if no shitstorms happen.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:20:23
January 22 2012 14:20 GMT
#7
Darn it, I didn't think anyone would still believe this nonsence.

Btw, I lolled at wrong quotation of "cash is king", which leads me to believe that you have no clue what you are talking about, how much ("economic") history classes you may have followed
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 22 2012 14:20 GMT
#8
On January 22 2012 23:19 IveReturned wrote:
Incredibly bad answers these days.

Ive been reading about these stuff lately. Could be an interesting topic if no shitstorms happen.


This isn't a neo nazi board as far as I remember.
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
January 22 2012 14:22 GMT
#9
well for those kinds of text sources are always higly appreciated. Your family history is all nice and well, but you are stating lots of "facts" without giving us a possibilty to check their trustworthiness...
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:27:05
January 22 2012 14:22 GMT
#10
On January 22 2012 20:56 sc2holar wrote:

The Rothschilds laid the Foundation for this pyramid scheme when they bought up the majority shares in the european banks and created "Federal Banks" with a monopoly on issuing loans to governments. This essentially means that every penny your government spends on Social security, Army, Welfare reforms or whatever, is a due to the privately owned Banks. The only way for a nation, person or company to create money is to borrow from the private banks. And how are we supposed to pay back our national debts if the only way to create considerable amounts of money is to borrow more? its like trying to dig yourself out of a pit. As a wise Author once wrote:

"The Wealth of the international banking class consists of the bankrupcy of Nations"

Governments get money by issuing bonds, not necessarily by borrowing from banks.

Governments pay back debt by insuring GDP growth, and in turn tax receipts, increases at a rate that covers the interest owed on the bonds they issue.

For the US, the interest rate is virtually zero, making the bonds (or debt) they are issuing now, very easy to pay back.

The central bank, while independent of the government, can also print money and target inflation. Inflation erodes the real value of debt, i.e. it lowers the real value of debt over time, making it easier to pay back.
IveReturned
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Turkey258 Posts
January 22 2012 14:24 GMT
#11
On January 22 2012 23:20 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 23:19 IveReturned wrote:
Incredibly bad answers these days.

Ive been reading about these stuff lately. Could be an interesting topic if no shitstorms happen.


This isn't a neo nazi board as far as I remember.


This could turn out to be an illuminati and/or zionism discussion. You dont really have to be a neonazi to discuss about the conspiracies.
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:26:50
January 22 2012 14:25 GMT
#12
On January 22 2012 23:13 Boonbag wrote:
whats up these days with all these shit threads ?


This. Seriously. Even by General's standards there are so many crap threads, this one included.

User was warned for this post
ambient_orange
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
January 22 2012 14:26 GMT
#13
great post but it brings a simple logical question..
why it was so hard for president to simply take a small army and take those bankers and hang them. I mean thats as simple as effective. Seriously i dont understand a more effective and legal way to deal with the money created from thin air.
DOA: "Where are the signs for Nestea?" MC: "In Korea."
IveReturned
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Turkey258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:29:21
January 22 2012 14:27 GMT
#14
doublepost
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 22 2012 14:27 GMT
#15
On January 22 2012 23:24 IveReturned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 23:20 Boonbag wrote:
On January 22 2012 23:19 IveReturned wrote:
Incredibly bad answers these days.

Ive been reading about these stuff lately. Could be an interesting topic if no shitstorms happen.


This isn't a neo nazi board as far as I remember.


This could turn out to be an illuminati and/or zionism discussion. You dont really have to be a neonazi to discuss about the conspiracies.


oh okay then that's even better !
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:33:14
January 22 2012 14:28 GMT
#16
This has nothing to do with Juwes or Judaism. It is true that there's just a few families who control most of the world's wealth. Most famous are of course Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Morgans.
They've founded (and de facto control) US Federal Reserve, WHO, World Bank, IMF and a couple of other institutions like that (I don't remember them all from the top of my head). All of them are also known to use their insider market knowledge to make immense profits on crisises (recession, recent world crisis etc.) and even deliberately causing them.

Read and weep:
http://www.corpwatch.org/downloads/cgfacts.pdf

Corporationism at it's finest.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
January 22 2012 14:28 GMT
#17
Oh boy. Global Banking conspiracy stuff....

Hey if you look on Metalopolis inbetween the 12 and 3 oclock base there is a building that has a sign on it that says FED with a freemason symbol over it, it reads "Global Elite Control". See, they are in your video games too!

Im not gunna play the antisemtic card either, thats retarded. I think the OP is silly, but if all you see in it "the jews did it" then you have issues too.
Dark Templar
Profile Joined July 2007
Sweden13 Posts
January 22 2012 14:30 GMT
#18
Why is this reprehensible anti-semitic, communistic nonsense still up?

User was warned for this post
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
January 22 2012 14:30 GMT
#19
Whats up with all the immediate negativity in this thread? Its irrelevant that the families jewish, the point op is trying to make is that in a capitalist society power lies not in the hands of governments but rather in the hands of companies whose only interest is to make money. Most of us are aware of this issue already but op has provided some interesting background on it.
That said while I don't doubt op's credibility I think he should provide a few links or citations(lol hate citations) given how his argument mostly employs the use of others research and words in order to convey his viewpoint. other than that it a well written piece bashing the greatest flaw of capitalism: the absolute monopoly(which is the equivalent of a late game 3 3 toss death ball with temps collos carriers dts and a mother ship.)
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:31:48
January 22 2012 14:31 GMT
#20
On January 22 2012 23:28 Manit0u wrote:
This has nothing to do with Juwes or Judaism. It is true that there's just a few families who control most of the world's wealth. Most famous are of course Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Morgans.
They've founded (and de facto control) US Federal Reserve, WHO, World Bank and a couple of other institutions like that (I don't remember them all from the top of my head). All of them are also known to use their insider market knowledge to make immense profits on crisises (recession, recent world crisis etc.) and even deliberately causing them.

Last I checked Bernanke does not equal Rothschild, Rockefeller or Morgan.
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