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omg what just happened! wp nightend <3
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Wow, Suprice Thorzain cant be happy about that
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very intelligent play by nightend.
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Thorzain shouldnt have expanded before putting down some bunkers.. :< Might as well play it safe after killing the nexus...
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Really nicely played out by our favorite helium vampire!
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On January 14 2012 20:23 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:19 HappyChris wrote:On January 14 2012 20:16 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:14 HappyChris wrote:On January 14 2012 20:13 Swiv wrote:
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/ it was EMP and reapers and all those zealots just disappeared He was sniping them too, I think that did more than the Reapers who mostly died to collosus. Mostly though he just attacked into the choke so was always going to lose regardless. Kind of a shame that we didn't get to see the reapers properly without the Protoss making such a bad engagement. True, But I do think its a valid tactic if the protoss go so zealot heavy. Gonna be interesting to see if this "Thorzain special tactic" catch on I'd like to see it vs MC, Hero, Huk or some other Protoss with really nice micro.
Sure if MMA or MVP control them:D my money on the reapers
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On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game.
You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time.
It's not about REmaxing, it's about being able to defend while maxed and banking 3k minerals.
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On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time.
I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though.
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On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. It's not about REmaxing, it's about being able to defend while maxed and banking 3k minerals.
I thought the discussion was about pro level play, not masters. You don't see pros cannoning the map
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On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though.
Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base.
On January 14 2012 20:30 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base.
The discussion is 100% theoretical, because in that game Terran didn't have PFs everywhere either.
And why would a pro player not have either a high templar or cannons defending bases if they are floating 5k minerals?
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wasn't this the music of dustwood?
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On January 14 2012 20:18 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:16 PraefektMotus wrote:
Why was game music so cool in the 90s and now it all sucks ass Probably due to limitations pushing creativity. Maybe.
I just don't get the priorities. Millions of dollars are shelled out for fancy CG art, but dialog is goddamn terrible and the music has barely any atmosphere. So much immersion is lost without cool music.
Alas, I don't want to derail the thread. Awesome Bo3 to start off the tournament, didn't expect Nightend to take this.
Edit: TB showing balls by playing WoW music during a Starcraft tournament
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On January 14 2012 20:30 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:30 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base. The discussion is 100% theoretical, because in that game Terran didn't have PFs everywhere either.
fair enough 
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On January 14 2012 20:30 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. It's not about REmaxing, it's about being able to defend while maxed and banking 3k minerals. I thought the discussion was about pro level play, not masters. You don't see pros cannoning the map
I have seen hero do it many times in pvz and pvt
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On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though.
I want to see that lategame where the toss has 9000 gas banked up :p.
You're not really right about the cannons btw, people throw them down like 5 per base just. As zerg does, just not vZ because zerg never harasses anyways ;d!
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On January 14 2012 20:31 msjakofsky wrote:wasn't this the music of dustwood?
Duskwood* and yes it is.
A few other areas too but Duskwood in particular.
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I want Thorzain to get of his slump asap! I really like his plays...
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This is odd, the english stream is just starting Stephano vs Darkforce but it's been on the french stream for the last 2 minutes.
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On January 14 2012 20:34 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:31 msjakofsky wrote:wasn't this the music of dustwood? Duskwood* and yes it is. A few other areas too but Duskwood in particular.
hehe i miss wow now. didn't play it for like 5 years. i remember once a huge ass dragon killed me in the middle of that map
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